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Do we really value life?
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I currently live really far from my hometown in Italy. I recently found out that one of my friends' mother died. She was only 43, it happen because she died in her sleep while she was under anesthetic. Right now my friend is almost alone with her brother. It is so sad.

So, sometimes we fight for almost stupid reasons, we get mad for little things, we get offended with someone for a worthless reason and so on. That makes me think do we -now day society, or you generally- REALLY value life and everyday small things?
What do you think?
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I think we don't, our society is all about instant gratification. The attitude of instant gratification destroyed the desire to want to work towards something or be patient. We are all about doing something that feels good in the moment, and almost centering our day around those things, because of this we become lazy and we condition ourselves that true happiness and gratification comes from short things that reap instant pleasures. I think it makes us selfish, and unloving. Our society is all about self now, and hardly about the community or relationships with people (Family, friends, elders, etc...). The little things in life don't really interest us anymore because we have been so conditioned in our culture and lifestyle that happiness comes from things, it comes from money, it comes from drinking/drugs/sex. In the end it only leaves us hurt (hence higher suicide rates, divorce rates, lower educational standards, dependancy on social programs, etc...) Our culture is becoming very hedonistic like the Greeks did, and the next step was the conquer and take over of the Greek Empire. The same thing happened with the Roman Empire. I just hope that we learn from history and don't make the same mistakes, because history does repeat itself. Personally though, I think it is all because we are falling away from God (I am a Christian) and we are living for ourselves. But above states are what my social views on it are.
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Life is just a walking shadow.

I am a walking shadow.

Que cera cera

et tu, Brutus?
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I always say this to you all: Live the life you want it to be and enjoy it while it lasts

Repeat that saying a couple of times to yourself and I hope you realize the life isn't all that bad. Birth, living, and death is the cycle of life. Of course a person like me, you, and anyone don't recycle but the idea, the thought of it is a recycle. One borns, lives, then dies and it's the same thing for everyone else.
I think people should value their lives whether it's going good or bad because it's the only life you will experience in your lifetime. Honestly, I would be "emo" at time but hey I cheer myself up and move on. Seriously, being emo is just a one big damn excuse. With all the incidents going on in the world, a person would feel sad about it but don't worry....be happy. I want everyone to take it easy and enjoy life because what happens when you die and you didn't get the chance to have fun when you were alive? All I know is that all of us who are alive, I think we should take the chance to fully enjoy what we have placed before us. Regardless how we feel, you need to relax and enjoy. Sure, you have hardship moments but hey you'll come through eventually and then later on you'll say to yourself: "Gee, that moment was a joke. I can't believe I got all worked up about that!"
Culture changes overtime, in years coming. When it does, our influences from culture, from society, changes us, maybe who we are too. Nothing can stop society and the culture it brings from changing and you can't ever stop changing yourself. Otherwise, you're probably demented for whatever reason.

btw, Why so serious?
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I think we don't, our society is all about instant gratification. The attitude of instant gratification destroyed the desire to want to work towards something or be patient. We are all about doing something that feels good in the moment, and almost centering our day around those things, because of this we become lazy and we condition ourselves that true happiness and gratification comes from short things that reap instant pleasures. I think it makes us selfish, and unloving. Our society is all about self now, and hardly about the community or relationships with people (Family, friends, elders, etc...). The little things in life don't really interest us anymore because we have been so conditioned in our culture and lifestyle that happiness comes from things, it comes from money, it comes from drinking/drugs/sex. In the end it only leaves us hurt (hence higher suicide rates, divorce rates, lower educational standards, dependancy on social programs, etc...) Our culture is becoming very hedonistic like the Greeks did, and the next step was the conquer and take over of the Greek Empire. The same thing happened with the Roman Empire. I just hope that we learn from history and don't make the same mistakes, because history does repeat itself. Personally though, I think it is all because we are falling away from God (I am a Christian) and we are living for ourselves. But above states are what my social views on it are.


Doesn't all that mean that we do value our lives? That we are aware that we might not be here tomorrow so we want to enjoy ourselves as much as can while we're here? I agree that only thinking about today will just hurt us later on, and that it is a fairly big problem (in American society at least), but at the same time what's the point of life if we spend most of it preparing for a future that may not come?
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digs wrote:

I think we don't, our society is all about instant gratification. The attitude of instant gratification destroyed the desire to want to work towards something or be patient. We are all about doing something that feels good in the moment, and almost centering our day around those things, because of this we become lazy and we condition ourselves that true happiness and gratification comes from short things that reap instant pleasures. I think it makes us selfish, and unloving. Our society is all about self now, and hardly about the community or relationships with people (Family, friends, elders, etc...). The little things in life don't really interest us anymore because we have been so conditioned in our culture and lifestyle that happiness comes from things, it comes from money, it comes from drinking/drugs/sex. In the end it only leaves us hurt (hence higher suicide rates, divorce rates, lower educational standards, dependancy on social programs, etc...) Our culture is becoming very hedonistic like the Greeks did, and the next step was the conquer and take over of the Greek Empire. The same thing happened with the Roman Empire. I just hope that we learn from history and don't make the same mistakes, because history does repeat itself. Personally though, I think it is all because we are falling away from God (I am a Christian) and we are living for ourselves. But above states are what my social views on it are.


Doesn't all that mean that we do value our lives? That we are aware that we might not be here tomorrow so we want to enjoy ourselves as much as can while we're here? I agree that only thinking about today will just hurt us later on, and that it is a fairly big problem (in American society at least), but at the same time what's the point of life if we spend most of it preparing for a future that may not come?


Not really, valuing our lives isn't seeking gratification from things, it's loving ourself enough to do what is best for us, like discipline and work. Why live it up if we are about to die? If you know you are about to die, wouldn't taking care of your spiritual needs be more important? You cannot carry anything from this life into the next, what we obtain here matters not after we die (even if you don't believe in heaven or hell) really, the only thing that remains on this earth is what others who are still living say about us, our legacy that we leave. If we live selfishly and die selfishly, then forever we will be known as selfish.

Well, your question is very valid? Why should we do these things and prepare for a future that may not come? The truth is faith. I know that there is a God, and I am 110% certain that Jesus is "The Way, The Truth, and The Life." I know this from my life's experiences and seeing things in others. I know it because I experience the Holy Spirit in my life. I know it because of the accuracy of God's word, and looking at how the world is right now. I understand that people who aren't Christians do not believe in the miracles recorded in the Bible. But besides the miracles and commands, just read the Book of Proverbs. The book of Proverbs is a Book of Wisdom, everything it says about life is true if you examine it. The advice and wisdom it gives is accurate and always applicable. This being said, the Book of Proverbs is a Book that is Inspired by God. King Solomon wrote the Book, and God granted Him great Wisdom because Solomon asked for it. This being said, test the Book of Proverbs, and really meditate on it. It will never fail because it is Inspired Truth. The advice it gives if followed correctly, will lead to a blessed life with minimal troubles. I believe in heaven, and in hell. I know that Jesus is the Messiah, and that He is God the Son. Salvation is by faith, repentance, and the Grace of God. It cannot be earned or worked for because nothing compares to the standard of righteousness that God requires, which is why God Himself has to forgive us of our sins and imperfection. All we have to do is have faith in Jesus, repent, and we will receive the Grace of God which is the free Gift of Salvation. Repentance isn't just acknowledging wrong, it is turning from it and living free from sins (A lifestyle change) I promise you that the Holy Spirit exists, I have experienced it, and so can anyone else who truly believes and repents before Jesus. I will pray for you.
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Well now that you've thrown religion in, that kinda prevents me from addressing a lot of stuff, since I don't want to start yet another religious discussion...


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Not really, valuing our lives isn't seeking gratification from things, it's loving ourself enough to do what is best for us, like discipline and work. Why live it up if we are about to die? If you know you are about to die, wouldn't taking care of your spiritual needs be more important? You cannot carry anything from this life into the next, what we obtain here matters not after we die (even if you don't believe in heaven or hell) really, the only thing that remains on this earth is what others who are still living say about us, our legacy that we leave. If we live selfishly and die selfishly, then forever we will be known as selfish.


If you know you're about to die, then I guess your spiritual needs would come first if you're religious. But many of us don't know when we'll die, it could happen any second now. If you spent had your whole life living "clean" and studying hard to get good grades so you could live a comfortable life, and suddenly you suffered a fatal injury shortly before starting your career and only had a few minutes to reflect on your life, wouldn't you regret not giving in to some worldly temptations occasionally?


I promise you that the Holy Spirit exists, I have experienced it, and so can anyone else who truly believes and repents before Jesus. I will pray for you.


I'd just like to say, even when I was a devout Christian I never felt him, even though I did and still do live a clean life.

Do people really pray for others when they say that? It would be kind of weird...

"Dear God, please show that one guy Cuddlebuns the light and open his heart so that he may live happily in your holy presence, amen."
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I do pray, but not like a psycho. I pray that the Holy Spirit would convict your heart, and that you would be open and experience blessing and the Love of God. And that God would work in a miraculous way in your life and that He would bless you and know that He is God. I can't save anyone, my words aren't magical, it's the Holy Spirit that saves and convicts. I am merely a testimony.

If you know that you could die at any moment, shouldn't we be ready at any time?

You used to be a devout Christian, and I used to be an agnostic. I went from "Christian" to agnostic, to Christian. I was raised in a Christian home, and my parents faith was my faith simply because that is what I was taught. Later, I rejected my faith and got angry with God because life wasn't easy, and I thaught that is God was good that He would give me an easy care free life (which isn't the case) After a while, I was broken and got into some sins that were destroying me. In January of this year is when I got saved and actually started living for God.
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If you know that you could die at any moment, shouldn't we be ready at any time?


That shouldn't mean that we to spend all of our time working and praying and not try to enjoy this life. I don't know if there are any religions that actually tell you that you have to work your butt off all of the time and never enjoy yourself in this life to make sure you have a happy afterlife, but I don't see how anyone could want to live that way.
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No, but what it means is that we should be right with God and be living without sin. Being a Christian doesn't mean living a dull funless life. It just means living a sinless life and doing God's Will, and as a Christian, God's Will will always complete your joy, you won't regret it (I sure don't, God has called me to do something amazing that will complete my joy)
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For the love of God can we talk about this without involving God? Just give it a try =P

No seriously, stop.

talk about value, there is plenty to choose from, absolute value, intrinsic value, extrinsic, etc.
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value life? hmmmm......

We kill everyday

killing and sacrificing is the core of our life itself, so it's not surprising if we don't value life.

My question is.,.. how do you value life itself?
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No, but what it means is that we should be right with God and be living without sin. Being a Christian doesn't mean living a dull funless life. It just means living a sinless life and doing God's Will, and as a Christian, God's Will will always complete your joy, you won't regret it (I sure don't, God has called me to do something amazing that will complete my joy)


A human being can't live a "sinless" life. Impossible.
How do you know if you are doing God's Will? Lol? That's like saying, "I am God".

You know, basing everything in your life on God, and God's Will, and the Bible, the Church, etc...is just pretty much...sad, don't you think so? To me it looks like as if you were unable to have any moral values, or values about life in general without the Bible.

It's okay, we got it, you are a proud Christian, and your life is not worth a penny without God,...no need to repeat that over and over again. To me it sounds like as if you were trying to convert/convince people in a mild looking way, repeating over and over the same stereotypical brainwashed ideology and arguments. It's pretty much incredible how much someone can involve God into any thing. I bet you could even bring God up just by painting a wall, it would be something like " Ahh, God gave me the power to paint this wall, without him I'd be incapable doing any thing" lol...seriously, can't you even for once in your whole forum debating career try to base your opinions and views on something different than God? something like your own brain perhaps? Oh wait, that doesn't work, as God created your brain, damn it. /sarcasm Holy f*cking Hell, if God wanted us to invest every single thought into him and everything we do and say, then he would be sitting on a golden throne in front of us, and eating grapes, and watching us, and making us worship him, but do you see him somewhere? No. It seems to as if he was trying to hide from fanatic Christians and Muslims and Jews like you.
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I do value my life to a certain point, but I do not think that my life has more value than the life of a dog. I try to respect every other species or any other kind of life. I try to keep my superiority to the lowest, but when I see ignorant people or idiots in generals, I just can't hold back...then I'd wish that natural selection would punish brainless people like that more severely. But nooo, as Digs would say:" That's God's Will". Lol

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I-Killerbee-I wrote:


digs wrote:

No, but what it means is that we should be right with God and be living without sin. Being a Christian doesn't mean living a dull funless life. It just means living a sinless life and doing God's Will, and as a Christian, God's Will will always complete your joy, you won't regret it (I sure don't, God has called me to do something amazing that will complete my joy)


A human being can't live a "sinless" life. Impossible.
How do you know if you are doing God's Will? Lol? That's like saying, "I am God".

You know, basing everything in your life on God, and God's Will, and the Bible, the Church, etc...is just pretty much...sad, don't you think so? To me it looks like as if you were unable to have any moral values, or values about life in general without the Bible.

It's okay, we got it, you are a proud Christian, and your life is not worth a penny without God,...no need to repeat that over and over again. To me it sounds like as if you were trying to convert/convince people in a mild looking way, repeating over and over the same stereotypical brainwashed ideology and arguments. It's pretty much incredible how much someone can involve God into any thing. I bet you could even bring God up just by painting a wall, it would be something like " Ahh, God gave me the power to paint this wall, without him I'd be incapable doing any thing" lol...seriously, can't you even for once in your whole forum debating career try to base your opinions and views on something different than God? something like your own brain perhaps? Oh wait, that doesn't work, as God created your brain, damn it. /sarcasm Holy f*cking Hell, if God wanted us to invest every single thought into him and everything we do and say, then he would be sitting on a golden throne in front of us, and eating grapes, and watching us, and making us worship him, but do you see him somewhere? No. It seems to as if he was trying to hide from fanatic Christians and Muslims and Jews like you.
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I do value my life to a certain point, but I do not think that my life has more value than the life of a dog. I try to respect every other species or any other kind of life. I try to keep my superiority to the lowest, but when I see ignorant people or idiots in generals, I just can't hold back...then I'd wish that natural selection would punish brainless people like that more severely. But nooo, as Digs would say:" That's God's Will". Lol

Floetry~


A human can't live a sinless life, but we can repent and turn from our sins. Sin binds, we can be set free. We don't know the Mind of God, but God has a purpose and plan for our life that He reveals. He revealed to me how I am to serve, and He is preparing me for that.

You must understand, I make God my everything because I love God. I am grateful for Salvation, and I want to live sinless life because I want to live according to how God wants me to live. Apart from God we are sinful humans, we have bodies, abilities, and free will. These are things that God has Given us. Technically we cannot do anything if it wasn't for God, but because God Gives us free will He allows us to do as we please while we are alive. God wants true love, and true love isn't a forced relationship. God desires love and worship from each person, and He gives us that choice. I choose to love and worship God (It doesn't make me perfect or any better then other people) not because I think God is going to make me rich or give me an easy life, but because I appreciate the Sacrifice that He made for me (Jesus Christ) and the fact that He loves me with perfect Agape Love. True, I want to go to heaven and be rewarded, but I do it out of love for God. I don't do it to earn heaven either, because heaven cannot be earned. By faith we repent, and by God's Grace we are saved.

God does reveal Himself, and honestly He does not hide himself from me. God has done so many things in my life that I know are of Him. I could write a whole book on it (and if you want I can PM you a few things) God reveals Himself in creation. The fact is, is that this universe is physical, and all physical things have a beginning and require a creator. Matter did not create itself, and it is scientifically proven that it can't. God created the universe, set the scientific laws, and created life. Again though, God gives us free will, if He just appeared in full Glory and screamed (Here I Am) do you think we would be able to have our free will? If we physically saw God then wouldn't that be God forcing Himself on us? God wants faith, and if He did that then there would be no faith.

God has a will, but so does satan. Satan's will is to "Steal, Kill, and Destroy." Jhn 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. God wants us to be happy, He came so that we may be set free from bondage to sin and judgement. Sin also destroys and separates us from God. God loves us so much though that He came to earth in human form, and died the death that we deserve so that we, sinful imperfect beings, may be restored into a right relationship with God and fulfill our purpose. We cannot serve two masters. I have political views, but my political views are shaped by my God. Part of being a real Christian is dying to our sinful desires, and allowing God to take over our life. It isn't depressing and it isn't dull, it's the opposite, because we see directly how God works. Having a relationship with God is an awesome thing.

God is patient with us, and loves us and gives us many chances. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

God's Kindness produces repentance. Rom 2:3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Rom 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? What God's Kindness is, is His Love. When we grasp how much God detests sin, and how much it Saddens Him, yet was willing to die a cruel and painful death, put up with mockery and ridicule, and then suffer total rejection from God the Father on our account. When we grasp how much God Loves us, we are moved to love Him, and repenting is also part of loving Him. Of course I want to share the Gospel, I want to give testimony from my own life, but I can't save anyone. I can only be a testimony, a witness. The Holy Spirit is what convicts our hearts and turns us to God, and the Holy Spirit is also what gives us life and encouragement.
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