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Utopian or Dystopic future?
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Do you think we'll have a Utopian future or a Dystopic future?

Could you give reasons for either answer?
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end of all will come by blade of Ragnarök
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As reference for some members:

Utopic
''Utopia is largely based on Plato's Republic. It is a perfect version of Republic wherein the beauties of society reign (eg: equalism and a general pacifist attitude), although its citizens are all ready to fight if need be. The evils of society, eg: poverty and misery, are all removed. It has few laws, no lawyers and rarely sends its citizens to war, but hires mercenaries from among its war-prone neighbors (these mercenaries were deliberately sent into dangerous situations in the hope that the more war-like populations of all surrounding countries will be weeded out, leaving peaceful peoples). The society encourages tolerance of all religions, but not of atheism, since the people believe that a man must fear some God, else he shall act evilly and their society will weaken.''

Dystopic
''A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia[1], kakotopia or anti-utopia) is a fictional society that is the antithesis of utopia. It is usually characterized by an oppressive social control, such as an authoritarian or totalitarian government.''

I think this is too complicated for me, being someone with such little knowledge of world issues and politics, to answer yet so i will read others thoughts first ^-^.
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This is a false dichotomy, that's all I have to say.
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I think this is a narrow question. You've condensed every possible scenario into two ultimate conclusions. It just seems naive to me to assume that either extreme will eventually come to be. That's like saying every scenario has a winner and a loser, this simply isn't the case in reality. It's far more likely that humanity will cease to exist due to a natural disaster before we reach our conclusion. Utopia or Dystopia implies that humanity has reached it's conclusion. I don't believe society will ever reach a firm and ultimate conclusion but rather that it will continue to evolve and devolve in accordance to the passage of time. There are so many possibilities available to society be them long term or short term, most of the realistic ones are relatively small scale. It's foolish to assume that something must come to a logical conclusion, the world simply isn't that neat and concise.
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i would just like to point out here that Utopia (as in the meaning of a place that is an acheivable paradise) was a greek mistranslation (because of the two words with slightly different spellings of Utopia and Eutopia) so Utopia really means an unacheivable paradise...
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I have faith in humanity, good will and purity will reign supreme
Posted 4/3/07
i wish i had the brain capacity and IQ to understand this.
i think i'll wait for other peoples views first.
hang on........*gets oxford dictionary*...right im ready.
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i would also like to say that i agree with Hopchow in that everything keeps changing so at one point we will know this (mistranslated word of :P) Utopia and soon after we will be in Dystopia. it will change all the time and whether we would be living in a Utopia or Dystopia also depends on a person's point of view or position in the world. eg. some people may feel more oppressed in a world that they consider to be Dystopic when others consider the same world or place to be Utopic. so it really all depends on your point of view because there will be no situation ever where everyone is happy.

right, i think that made sense.... :P

oo my apologies, i made some spelling mistakes.... have been corrected now..

i love the way that this thread is really taking off....
it's interesting although most people tend to have the same opinion
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As there ever a time when the world was a Utopia? -- If it there was, it might only have been for a very brief period. In my view, the world is heading towards a Dystopia for sure.
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Both, in my mind. Either of really unattainable as each person have their own version of what is perfect and what is bad.

Personally, I think we're headed into a crucible. Pretty soon (probably within the next 100 years) there has to be a change, something to uproot the way things are and shift them permanently to make a final shift one what course humanity takes. There will be anarchy, but then as with most such trials it will die down into prosperity.
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I recently wrote a report called “Scourge of the Sahara, a political dystopia.” It discussed things similar to this. People are unwilling to commit themselves to what is necessary to run a utopian civilization; therefore, it will never happen. Simple human psychology. It can be proven through historical examples. It’s a parallel to the fall in communistic governing. Communism seems good and possible on paper, however, because people themselves are not perfect.

This being said, we may actually create ourselves a hell on earth. The pursuit of Utopia is the key to dystopia, for the only way to create a perfect world is to destroy imperfect people. Take WWII, for example. Hitler was trying to create Shangri-La. He was attempting to kill off everyone he thought to be imperfect.

I do believe that a dystopian world is very possible. Call me a pessimist, but I think we’re all, every nation, heading straight for just that. However, I religiously and secularly believe that Utopia is an unachievable goal. At least as long as we are on earth. Even on a personal degree.

See the Human race is one of eternal aspirations. We also reach for something better than what we have. Now, we can also say that the only concept that every image of any utopia share is contentedness. But, as mentioned before, this clashes with Human nature.

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Posted 4/18/07
Missed out a third option when creating this thread.

Nuclear Winter.
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Posted 4/18/07

kyserin wrote:

i would just like to point out here that Utopia (as in the meaning of a place that is an acheivable paradise) was a greek mistranslation (because of the two words with slightly different spellings of Utopia and Eutopia) so Utopia really means an unacheivable paradise... :P


I came into this thread, to say you should check your sources before making comments. Utopia is a Greek word for nowhere. It was a term that was picked up by Sir Thomas More during 1400-1500. Eutopia isn't a real Greek word at all. I'm pretty sure since I just checked my Greek dictionary, too.
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...Erm, Jam is right dude. I just used my etymology book to look the word Utopia up. He’s got it…
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