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Utopian or Dystopic future?
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Posted 4/18/07
Can I choose chaos and mayhem instead? With the way world, no, the society is headed, I don't see either of these idealistic systems occuring succesfully. We just keep getting more violent and conflicts bloodier. Our planet is getting so deteriorated that I don't doubt it will soon become unable to support us humans.

Pretty basic statement but sturdy nonetheless.
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I don't think there will ever be a Utopia because it's not in human nature to live at full peace.
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Posted 4/18/07

SeraphAlford wrote:
The pursuit of Utopia is the key to dystopia, for the only way to create a perfect world is to destroy imperfect people.


That's why I am comfortable to believe that we will continue to live in the grey area between the two. Why because they're extremes and to be extreme at either end is not beneficial. However I'm not saying the world is static. It's dynamic because it functions like a pendulum swinging back and forth between these two extremes yet it doesn't oscillate as much as to touch either extremes. There my have been peaks in history that do so but on a narrow scale. In fact it's almost impossible to bring about an extreme on a large scale because something will most definitely counter it. (i.e. your example of Nazi Germany and WWII). This world exists and function because duality keeps it in equilibrium. (No I'm not saying equal but pointing out the fact that one thing is trying to offset the other and vice versa). This is also in conjunction with neomanxl's example.
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utopic... maybe =S
haha i dont know.. seems like people are starting to clue-in on all the shit weve been doing to the world/environment/ourselves xD hahaha so yeah... lalala
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Posted 4/19/07

mauz15 wrote:

This is a false dichotomy, that's all I have to say.


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Posted 4/19/07
I think Utopian! Cause, have you seen the latest technology? It's awesome! And I think that ppl will learn how to use it properly! Just as Logain said I have faith in humanity!
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Posted 4/19/07
That faith has been robbed from alot of us. Humanity just keeps repeeting the same mistakes over and over again.
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Posted 4/19/07
In the end it depends upon what you consider to be dystopic or utopic (ignoring all the etymological problems).

If you consider that a utopia purely means that people are happy and free from physical pain, then yes, it is easily acheiveable - just we would all have to give up a few of the rights which I consider important (the right to information and the right to self-determination).

As previously stated human society will evolve - our "memes" will change to adapt to a changing world. I believe that as people become better connected and communication and information becomes readily avaliable that people will move toward what may be considered from a current view point to be a utopia.
In the end though, there will be people who will deviate from the norm - it is a statistical fact - and thus there will be destructive forces in any society. The way in which these dissenters/criminals/whateveryouwanttocallthem are treated will determine the state of the "utopia" which arises. Unfortuantely, any effective method will be dystopic, and any ineffective method will result in the society not being utopic.

And if you read Thomas More's "Utopia" you'll find that communism is a form of utopia - democratic communism that is. (though as yet all communist experiments on Earth have failed)

In the end I'd have to agree with the general consensus - we'll remain in the middle - or in a dystopia (depending upon your definition) - in a state of flux dependant upon the evolution of social memes.

N.B. The "meme" concept was thought up by Richard Dawkins to describe the evolution of social ideas/concepts by the Darwinian model of selection. Such as the "Sun goes round the Earth" concept being replaced by the "Earth goes round the Sun" due to environmental pressures (ie. the development of the telescope)
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Posted 4/19/07
Just a few comments. Mauz is correct. The idea of utopia as literally "nowhere" is correct. The idea that the pursuit of utopia is the key to dystopia is present is some works, but not in others. It is present in ferinheight 451 & brave new world for instance, where the focus is human happiness/stability/etc, but absent in 1984, which deals more with totalitarianism. Utopian works are often mean to show what is called the vanity of human wishes, to use a literary concept. The idea that things can become perfect. On the other hand, an interesting thing about dystopia works is that the authors write them because of what they see around them at the moment. For example short works and tv was becoming more popular at the time, so Bradbury addressed that in fearheight 451. They are satirical works which are meant to spur change and target the comfortable. It is interested to see these articles crop up every now and then or people say that we are in these dystopic books, and its happening to us. So, going by the idea of utopia as a perfect place, and thus noplace, I must say dystopia is more likely. However, It seems reasonable to me that progress will continue and things will get better, I hope at least.
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Posted 4/19/07
The future?....

I would bet my life on Dystopic.

Definitely.

Look at the world now; Aids plaging Africa, war, oil shortages, pollution, global warming, a retarded USA president, we're setting ourselves up from a big ole' Mother Nature slap in the face
Posted 2/10/09
It's a bit limited to have only the choice between utopic and dystopic.

Too much of a black and white thinking. ;/
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Well as long as the ego importunes taking full fledge flight it doesn't matter what political system we have, in that fact that our aggregated nature forestalls any form of advancement. Not only even if we progress we can only do that in the dialectical material realm we can't progress in human cosmogony. Many acclaimants to a granduer uptopic society have been arbitrated and tried but have failed. Karl Marx's theory clearly hints and pluralizes the utopian theme theorically.
Posted 2/10/09 , edited 2/10/09
I always thought people who think humanity would have superandroids and Halo-like spaceships, medicine for everything and very smart computers are idiots. We fucked the Earth with our factories and stupidity, we killed lots of other living creatures just because they aren`t human-beings and I`m sure people think about "Oh well, planet is shit so we need to get out of here and fuck another one!".

It`s the end of the world as we know it (I feel fine).
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Posted 2/10/09

LadyVertz wrote:

I always thought people who think humanity would have superandroids and Halo-like spaceships, medicine for everything and very smart computers are idiots. We fucked the Earth with our factories and stupidity, we killed lots of other living creatures just because they aren`t human-beings and I`m sure people think about "Oh well, planet is shit so we need to get out of here and fuck another one!".

It`s the end of the world as we know it (I feel fine).


You forgot to mention the genocides...so the human race killed their own kind as well,not only animals.
Yeah, I feel fine about the end of the world too. Cheers *raises a bottle of beer*
And to answer the thread, an utopia is impossible,and I really don't care about the other one
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Posted 2/10/09
Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.
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