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Utopian or Dystopic future?
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Both are impossible. It would have to be under the premise that perfect freedom/satisfaction/harmony or perfect control/security/fairness will be achieved. Even technology and lifeless matter would have a hard time achieving perfect consistency, I doubt living creatures such as humans can obtain this. Human society will a always fluctuate until it ceases to exist. That will be the only way humans will achieve any absolute; through it's end.
Posted 2/10/09

Stef wrote:


LadyVertz wrote:

I always thought people who think humanity would have superandroids and Halo-like spaceships, medicine for everything and very smart computers are idiots. We fucked the Earth with our factories and stupidity, we killed lots of other living creatures just because they aren`t human-beings and I`m sure people think about "Oh well, planet is shit so we need to get out of here and fuck another one!".

It`s the end of the world as we know it (I feel fine).


You forgot to mention the genocides...so the human race killed their own kind as well,not only animals.
Yeah, I feel fine about the end of the world too. Cheers *raises a bottle of beer*
And to answer the thread, an utopia is impossible,and I really don't care about the other one :P


lol I was drinking beer LAST night but cheers! *a glass of banana juice*

Ah the problem is: even if people go to "OMG! We can make life better" it`s all about totalitarian (sp?) shit again. Because if even at least three people don`t agree with some things government wanna make it takes them down. I`m Russian and I hate this revolution bollocks. Yeah, people wanted to make perfect communist world and what? Crazy Stalin, Cold War and other shit.
Posted 2/10/09
Dystopic . Is it even possible to have a utopia ?
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CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it
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zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it
That was rather interesting, I thank you.

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zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.
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Posted 2/10/09

CptJackSwallows wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it
That was rather interesting, I thank you.



yeah french philosophy was ok until derrida shagged it all up
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Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches
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I'm in the midst of an existential crisis.
Neither matters.
SO HAH.
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sanpincha wrote:

I'm in the midst of an existential crisis.
Neither matters.
SO HAH.


said like a true nihilist!

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i dont think there can be a utopian or dystopic future a lot of things can change within a short period of time...rite now ppl r living inbetween both utopian and dystopic society there will always be rises and falls but a future cannot be completey achieved for the world bcoz of the fact that there are different ppl and different points of views
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zecks_marquise wrote:


sanpincha wrote:

I'm in the midst of an existential crisis.
Neither matters.
SO HAH.


said like a true nihilist!




worddd. Nietzsche and I are bffls.
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Posted 2/10/09

sanpincha wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


sanpincha wrote:

I'm in the midst of an existential crisis.
Neither matters.
SO HAH.


said like a true nihilist!




worddd. Nietzsche and I are bffls.


i can see why, what woman isn't attracted to a tash?
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zecks_marquise wrote:


sanpincha wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


sanpincha wrote:

I'm in the midst of an existential crisis.
Neither matters.
SO HAH.


said like a true nihilist!




worddd. Nietzsche and I are bffls.


i can see why, what woman isn't attracted to a tash?



HAWT.
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