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Utopian or Dystopic future?
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zecks_marquise wrote:


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CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.
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Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.


indeed, i didn't correct that term, but thank you for the further qualification. how's the weather?
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Posted 2/10/09

zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.


indeed, i didn't correct that term, but thank you for the further qualification. how's the weather?


nice but I wonder what it would to be like if acid rain fell from the sky.....Something I would want to witness,
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rain is always slightly acidic.
so..you could probably say you've witnessed it.
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Posted 2/10/09

Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.


indeed, i didn't correct that term, but thank you for the further qualification. how's the weather?


nice but I wonder what it would to be like if acid rain fell from the sky.....Something I would want to witness,


well of course all rain is slightly acidic as it has an average pH of 5.6 but your best bet to up the acidity level is go to a city with loads of people and factories,

Chongching in central china has 30 million people. when i went it was horrible
Posted 2/10/09
who cares ?
god , for english ,
we have to read the giver ,
and its about one of those thingy majigs ,
and the book is like ,
so fucking boring i could go to sleep .
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zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.


indeed, i didn't correct that term, but thank you for the further qualification. how's the weather?


nice but I wonder what it would to be like if acid rain fell from the sky.....Something I would want to witness,


well of course all rain is slightly acidic as it has an average pH of 5.6 but your best bet to up the acidity level is go to a city with loads of people and factories,

Chongching in central china has 30 million people. when i went it was horrible

hmm thats to be expected but I would rather be an observer.......well it has to be unsanitary as well for example Mexico city which is the largest city in the world.......most polluted to.
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Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


zecks_marquise wrote:


CptJackSwallows wrote:

Dystopic

since it is what we are living in right now.


That is technically incorrect since it is all about perception and projection. we actually live in neither, and both simultaneously. the french philosopher michel foucault described this as a heterotopia - to describe it briefly, it is a constantly shifting dialogue between the existing and essence.

An example of this is looking at yourself in the mirror. there is nothing in the mirror, it is a combination of optics and your preconditioning that enables you to recognize yourself. in that sense your existence in the mirror is perfect and therefore utopian. But also the way you perceive yourself (self esteem) means that you also project a false image of yourself that you register "im ugly" etc therefore meaning that you also perceive a dystopia.

the human mind is a wonderful thing, anything can be both positive and negative, it just depends on how you see it


Well so the world is surmise through on going heterodoxy XD. Rather its a compulsive heterodox.



ahem no

heterodoxy is a rather contrived name for the main orthodox christian churches


a heterodox actually means deviating in which is a perfect depiction of our world being influenced or shifting through contextile of thought.


indeed, i didn't correct that term, but thank you for the further qualification. how's the weather?


nice but I wonder what it would to be like if acid rain fell from the sky.....Something I would want to witness,


well of course all rain is slightly acidic as it has an average pH of 5.6 but your best bet to up the acidity level is go to a city with loads of people and factories,

Chongching in central china has 30 million people. when i went it was horrible

hmm thats to be expected but I would rather be an observer.......well it has to be unsanitary as well for example Mexico city which is the largest city in the world.......most polluted to.


there is something exciting about megacities, but they have this relentless drive to success, never stopping for the weak. Situationism takes observation to another level. partly informed by surrealism and the desire the react against formalism/modernism they guy dubord developed a manifesto for the city, giving it a voice, and thus releasing it from the shackles of the bourgeois few. some say that was the invention of the internet
Posted 2/10/09
Neither? Everything is balanced accordingly--like a scale, it shifts to and fro. It's obvious we can't have a Utopian society and I don't think we would allow ourselves to sink into a Dystopic one---coz that would eventually lead to our extinction? just my opinion! XD
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should be in the extended discussion?

well ne way i think its a mix of both of them, it will never be one or the other
Posted 2/10/09

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As reference for some members:

Utopic
''Utopia is largely based on Plato's Republic. It is a perfect version of Republic wherein the beauties of society reign (eg: equalism and a general pacifist attitude), although its citizens are all ready to fight if need be. The evils of society, eg: poverty and misery, are all removed. It has few laws, no lawyers and rarely sends its citizens to war, but hires mercenaries from among its war-prone neighbors (these mercenaries were deliberately sent into dangerous situations in the hope that the more war-like populations of all surrounding countries will be weeded out, leaving peaceful peoples). The society encourages tolerance of all religions, but not of atheism, since the people believe that a man must fear some God, else he shall act evilly and their society will weaken.''

Dystopic
''A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia[1], kakotopia or anti-utopia) is a fictional society that is the antithesis of utopia. It is usually characterized by an oppressive social control, such as an authoritarian or totalitarian government.''

I think this is too complicated for me, being someone with such little knowledge of world issues and politics, to answer yet so i will read others thoughts first ^-^.


i thank you. i hope for a utopian by i have no idea
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all i have to say is that if humanity continues its course like now, we will fall into a dystopian soon enough
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x3bby-anjiee wrote:

who cares ?
god , for english ,
we have to read the giver ,
and its about one of those thingy majigs ,
and the book is like ,
so fucking boring i could go to sleep .


the giver is but an utopia turned dystopia based on the idea of a single person....

dont go around judging everything you read or hear to be true... do you not have individualism?

no wonder the majority of the population are ignorant fools...
Posted 2/23/09

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x3bby-anjiee wrote:

who cares ?
god , for english ,
we have to read the giver ,
and its about one of those thingy majigs ,
and the book is like ,
so fucking boring i could go to sleep .


the giver is but an utopia turned dystopia based on the idea of a single person....

dont go around judging everything you read or hear to be true... do you not have individualism?

no wonder the majority of the population are ignorant fools...


huh .
i am probably an ignorant fool ,
because i have no idea what you just said .

but if you want to elaborate ,
please do .
i have a test on the giver tomorrow , and i`m sure to fail .
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x3bby-anjiee wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


x3bby-anjiee wrote:

who cares ?
god , for english ,
we have to read the giver ,
and its about one of those thingy majigs ,
and the book is like ,
so fucking boring i could go to sleep .


the giver is but an utopia turned dystopia based on the idea of a single person....

dont go around judging everything you read or hear to be true... do you not have individualism?

no wonder the majority of the population are ignorant fools...


huh .
i am probably an ignorant fool ,
because i have no idea what you just said .

but if you want to elaborate ,
please do .
i have a test on the giver tomorrow , and i`m sure to fail .


you should try chapter summaries ^_^


I can't answer this question because it would require mentioning God and all that stuff about the world not being united and us being doomed when the sun burns out any way. We haven't even made it to the moon yet. We are not going to survive The sun's heat up, let alone it burning out.
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