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What if Jesus Didn't Die
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I was in class and the teacher started talking about how we romanticize things that are often gory or humiliating, because in truth they were gory and humiliating and how we wouldn't want to remember something that's supposed to be heroic in that manner. Anyways, he eventually went to talking about the Passion and how it needed to be put in that way to put Jesus aside as something different even at death. Regular Crucifixion was humiliating as you were nailed and hung up, screaming to be taken down, while eventually dying from exposure to the elements. At this point I'm thinking "that makes sense" but the point that really got me thinking was :

What if Jesus wasn't crucified but killed in another fashion?

What if he had been hung or decapitated? Would we still romanticize it in another way such as wearing a noose around our necks rather than a cross?

Or worse yet, what if he was publicly drowned or just taken into a corner and run through?

I don't know...

What do u think?


You should take in the fact there is NO Real Evidence for a Jesus at all. (0 proof for him!)



-_- u must be ignorant.... THERE IS FRICK'IN PROOF THAT HE WAS REAL. smartass... but there are still controversies whether or not he was a figure sent from the heavens...


OK if your so smart than lets see you post proof evidence of him that is not from some religious site. Any proof at all. I am better you have 0!



are u stupid? do u not listen to the news? they FOUND THE BURIAL CLOTHS THAT HAS JESUS' BLOOD ON IT. THEY FRICK'IN DID DNA TESTS AND HAVE PROVEN IT... -_- u're just an ignorant little kid....

Who is acting like a little kid? (name calling and spouting shit without a shred of proof.)

'I am 28 and that evidence as you have spat out has been proven to be fake.. If you don't believe me look it up your self. Also I Still like to see the evidence. (something you have yet to show any of.)
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I don't think that they found the burial cloths of Jesus :/ People make that stuff up. There is no doubt that Jesus existed, we may not have historical proof in physical form, but we do know that He existed. Many philosophers and authors from the time shortly after Jesus believed it, it was common knowledge. We do have proof of the disciples, and we have the Gospels that attest to it. I have proof that He is alive and exists through my own personal experiences
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


ChaosUnleashed wrote:

I was in class and the teacher started talking about how we romanticize things that are often gory or humiliating, because in truth they were gory and humiliating and how we wouldn't want to remember something that's supposed to be heroic in that manner. Anyways, he eventually went to talking about the Passion and how it needed to be put in that way to put Jesus aside as something different even at death. Regular Crucifixion was humiliating as you were nailed and hung up, screaming to be taken down, while eventually dying from exposure to the elements. At this point I'm thinking "that makes sense" but the point that really got me thinking was :

What if Jesus wasn't crucified but killed in another fashion?

What if he had been hung or decapitated? Would we still romanticize it in another way such as wearing a noose around our necks rather than a cross?

Or worse yet, what if he was publicly drowned or just taken into a corner and run through?

I don't know...

What do u think?


You should take in the fact there is NO Real Evidence for a Jesus at all. (0 proof for him!)



-_- u must be ignorant.... THERE IS FRICK'IN PROOF THAT HE WAS REAL. smartass... but there are still controversies whether or not he was a figure sent from the heavens...


OK if your so smart than lets see you post proof evidence of him that is not from some religious site. Any proof at all. I am better you have 0!


are u stupid? do u not listen to the news? they FOUND THE BURIAL CLOTHS THAT HAS JESUS' BLOOD ON IT. THEY FRICK'IN DID DNA TESTS AND HAVE PROVEN IT... -_- u're just an ignorant little kid....

'I am 28 and that evidence as you have spat out has been proven to be fake.. If you don't believe me look it up your self. Also I Still like to see the evidence. (something you have yet to show any of.)

http://www.jesusisreal.org/
http://theshadowlands.net/shroud.htm

it hasn't been proven false u dumbshit. it has not been proved false nor truth. if u didn't look at some atheist crap then u would know the truth. there is compelling evidence that it IS REAL. scientists are why to skeptical to believe that it could be real even a little bit....
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Posted 10/27/08 , edited 10/27/08

namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


ChaosUnleashed wrote:

I was in class and the teacher started talking about how we romanticize things that are often gory or humiliating, because in truth they were gory and humiliating and how we wouldn't want to remember something that's supposed to be heroic in that manner. Anyways, he eventually went to talking about the Passion and how it needed to be put in that way to put Jesus aside as something different even at death. Regular Crucifixion was humiliating as you were nailed and hung up, screaming to be taken down, while eventually dying from exposure to the elements. At this point I'm thinking "that makes sense" but the point that really got me thinking was :

What if Jesus wasn't crucified but killed in another fashion?

What if he had been hung or decapitated? Would we still romanticize it in another way such as wearing a noose around our necks rather than a cross?

Or worse yet, what if he was publicly drowned or just taken into a corner and run through?

I don't know...

What do u think?


You should take in the fact there is NO Real Evidence for a Jesus at all. (0 proof for him!)



-_- u must be ignorant.... THERE IS FRICK'IN PROOF THAT HE WAS REAL. smartass... but there are still controversies whether or not he was a figure sent from the heavens...


OK if your so smart than lets see you post proof evidence of him that is not from some religious site. Any proof at all. I am better you have 0!


are u stupid? do u not listen to the news? they FOUND THE BURIAL CLOTHS THAT HAS JESUS' BLOOD ON IT. THEY FRICK'IN DID DNA TESTS AND HAVE PROVEN IT... -_- u're just an ignorant little kid....

'I am 28 and that evidence as you have spat out has been proven to be fake.. If you don't believe me look it up your self. Also I Still like to see the evidence. (something you have yet to show any of.)

http://www.jesusisreal.org/
http://theshadowlands.net/shroud.htm

it hasn't been proven false u dumbshit. it has not been proved false nor truth. if u didn't look at some atheist crap then u would know the truth. there is compelling evidence that it IS REAL. scientists are why to skeptical to believe that it could be real even a little bit....
Little kids and there name calling. Fact one that shroud they said had Jesus blood on it was dated 100's of years after his (quote) death. Fact two, The research done on the Blood has been hidden and other/real Scientist are not being aloud to look at there research. (sound fishy to me.) Three You gave me what two Religiously sights filled with no real evidence, or backing for there claims! Artical made up by religious nut jobs do not make for evidence. At least they could do is give real evidence or documentation for there bull.
'Atheist, Pagan, Dogon or Christian alike mostly will agree that the hole Jesus blood thing was fake.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


namunamuchan wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


ChaosUnleashed wrote:

I was in class and the teacher started talking about how we romanticize things that are often gory or humiliating, because in truth they were gory and humiliating and how we wouldn't want to remember something that's supposed to be heroic in that manner. Anyways, he eventually went to talking about the Passion and how it needed to be put in that way to put Jesus aside as something different even at death. Regular Crucifixion was humiliating as you were nailed and hung up, screaming to be taken down, while eventually dying from exposure to the elements. At this point I'm thinking "that makes sense" but the point that really got me thinking was :

What if Jesus wasn't crucified but killed in another fashion?

What if he had been hung or decapitated? Would we still romanticize it in another way such as wearing a noose around our necks rather than a cross?

Or worse yet, what if he was publicly drowned or just taken into a corner and run through?

I don't know...

What do u think?


You should take in the fact there is NO Real Evidence for a Jesus at all. (0 proof for him!)




-_- u must be ignorant.... THERE IS FRICK'IN PROOF THAT HE WAS REAL. smartass... but there are still controversies whether or not he was a figure sent from the heavens...


OK if your so smart than lets see you post proof evidence of him that is not from some religious site. Any proof at all. I am better you have 0!



are u stupid? do u not listen to the news? they FOUND THE BURIAL CLOTHS THAT HAS JESUS' BLOOD ON IT. THEY FRICK'IN DID DNA TESTS AND HAVE PROVEN IT... -_- u're just an ignorant little kid....



'I am 28 and that evidence as you have spat out has been proven to be fake.. If you don't believe me look it up your self. Also I Still like to see the evidence. (something you have yet to show any of.)



http://www.jesusisreal.org/
http://theshadowlands.net/shroud.htm

it hasn't been proven false u dumbshit. it has not been proved false nor truth. if u didn't look at some atheist crap then u would know the truth. there is compelling evidence that it IS REAL. scientists are why to skeptical to believe that it could be real even a little bit....


Little kids and there name calling. Fact one that shroud they said had Jesus blood on it was dated 100's of years after his (quote) death. Fact two, The research done on the Blood has been hidden and other/real Scientist are not being aloud to look at there research. (sound fishy to me.) Three You gave me what two Religiously sights filled with no real evidence, or backing for there claims! Artical made up by religious nut jobs do not make for evidence. At least they could do is give real evidence or documentation for there bull.
'Atheist, Pagan, Dogon or Christian alike mostly will agree that the hole Jesus blood thing was fake.


The shroud of Turin has been carbon dated to the thirteenth century. It also exhibits numerous qualities which make it suspect, even if you don't count the scientific evidence which disproves it. Or is PBS "atheist crap?"
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How would that really make a difference, weather he died on cross or another way he would be dead now anyway; he was only human i really doubt he existed anyway.
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If Jesus never died then sin would never have been atoned for and there would be no hope for humanity. If there was no death then there was no resurrection, which means no salvation. Humanity would have no hope other then eternal hell and isolation from God.
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If Jesus never died then sin would never have been atoned for and there would be no hope for humanity. If there was no death then there was no resurrection, which means no salvation. Humanity would have no hope other then eternal hell and isolation from God.


Thats your idea, not everyone lives in doomed filled universe. Some of dont believe we are worth less worms needing to be saved by some imaginary thug demanding we love him or die. Ive looked at god of the bible hes a two face liar who changes his mind from chapter to chapter, and keeps puking out orders for one human group to slaughter another to prove their worthiness. Then drowns the whole lot of them cause he gets pissed of at his own creation. its because of that stuff that i realized i dont like him very much. As a god hes a major fail and leaves a lot to be desired he cant even run his own universe without it screwing up, and we things are really not going his way he thinks its really ok to just pick the etch-sketch and shake it clear so he can start over. Pretty much the behavior ud expect from a mindless brat. Just saying
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If Jesus never died then sin would never have been atoned for and there would be no hope for humanity. If there was no death then there was no resurrection, which means no salvation. Humanity would have no hope other then eternal hell and isolation from God.


Thats your idea, not everyone lives in doomed filled universe. Some of dont believe we are worth less worms needing to be saved by some imaginary thug demanding we love him or die. Ive looked at god of the bible hes a two face liar who changes his mind from chapter to chapter, and keeps puking out orders for one human group to slaughter another to prove their worthiness.

Then drowns the whole lot of them cause he gets pissed of at his own creation. its because of that stuff that i realized i dont like him very much. As a god hes a major fail and leaves a lot to be desired he cant even run his own universe without it screwing up, and we things are really not going his way he thinks its really ok to just pick the etch-sketch and shake it clear so he can start over. Pretty much the behavior ud expect from a mindless brat. Just saying


because he was human like us.
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If Jesus never died then sin would never have been atoned for and there would be no hope for humanity. If there was no death then there was no resurrection, which means no salvation. Humanity would have no hope other then eternal hell and isolation from God.


Thats your idea, not everyone lives in doomed filled universe. Some of dont believe we are worth less worms needing to be saved by some imaginary thug demanding we love him or die. Ive looked at god of the bible hes a two face liar who changes his mind from chapter to chapter, and keeps puking out orders for one human group to slaughter another to prove their worthiness.

Then drowns the whole lot of them cause he gets pissed of at his own creation. its because of that stuff that i realized i dont like him very much. As a god hes a major fail and leaves a lot to be desired he cant even run his own universe without it screwing up, and we things are really not going his way he thinks its really ok to just pick the etch-sketch and shake it clear so he can start over. Pretty much the behavior ud expect from a mindless brat. Just saying


because he was human like us.


That was completely meaningless it has nothing with wat i just said.
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GrandX wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


GrandX wrote:


digs wrote:

If Jesus never died then sin would never have been atoned for and there would be no hope for humanity. If there was no death then there was no resurrection, which means no salvation. Humanity would have no hope other then eternal hell and isolation from God.


Thats your idea, not everyone lives in doomed filled universe. Some of dont believe we are worth less worms needing to be saved by some imaginary thug demanding we love him or die. Ive looked at god of the bible hes a two face liar who changes his mind from chapter to chapter, and keeps puking out orders for one human group to slaughter another to prove their worthiness.

Then drowns the whole lot of them cause he gets pissed of at his own creation. its because of that stuff that i realized i dont like him very much. As a god hes a major fail and leaves a lot to be desired he cant even run his own universe without it screwing up, and we things are really not going his way he thinks its really ok to just pick the etch-sketch and shake it clear so he can start over. Pretty much the behavior ud expect from a mindless brat. Just saying


because he was human like us.


That was completely meaningless it has nothing with wat i just said.


It is, because he was human then it explained everything what you've said.
Therefore, there is God superior than Jesus
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I know this is a bit of a resurrection in and of its own, but I do have some relevant information I was too lazy to post the last time this came around. But first, a quick glance at the last couple of pages:

Name calling is silly.

There’s more evidence that Jesus Christ existed than there is that Caesar conquered Gaul, the Spartan’s fought at Thermopylae, or (until recently,) that Troy existed.

The cloth of Turin is considered a legitimate holy relic. However, it should be noted that since Christ’s death different towns and churches have been popping up with claims of holding holy relics. They do this because it attracts tourists and generates wealth. There’s no way to prove that blood belonged to a specific individual without having something to compare to. However, the cloth has what looks like a sort of mesh-stain in the shape of a person which people apparently think proves Jesus passed through it and left his imprint… It’s kind of like when people in Mexico see Mother Marry in a tortia, looks about like that.

Now then, I would like to address the opening topic again.

Jesus Christ was executed by Romans and wasn’t a Roman citizen; therefore, it’s most likely that he was crucified because at that time Roman law stated that citizens sentenced to execution should be decapitated (St. Paul,) while those who were sentenced to execution but were not citizens should be crucified. HOWEVER, the sources from the Pharisees, other Jews, and the Gnostic all agree that Jesus Christ was not crucified but that he was hung. The Pharisees and Jews also claim that Jesus was treated kindly and given a fair trial.

Pharisees/Jews believed: Jesus was a sorcerer calling himself the messiah; therefore, evil.
Gnostics: Jesus was a sorcerer calling himself the messiah; a man, but still great.
Ebionites/Early Christians: Jesus was the messiah, called himself the messiah, and was the messiah too.
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Dieing on a cross did what really? Somehow i miss the point in doing that really what did he do he rose from the dead ooooo so what. He died for us right to do what.....sins are forgiven now rightttttttttt. If that all it took then why didnt every one else get nailed to a cross? He is a menial in life as he was in death.
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Oh...if he would have been decapitated, people would wear necklaces with Jesus's body, and his head pending of the body, just tied to the body by a thin cord =O Actually that would look a lot cooler, than the crucifix they have now.

Floetry~


That's kind of disgusting.... Makes Catholic/Christianity seem just a little bit like Satanism... *shudders*
But if you look at it, he still ended up giving up his life for us. But the crucifix was kind of an "epic" though extremely painful way to go


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I don't think that they found the burial cloths of Jesus :/ People make that stuff up. There is no doubt that Jesus existed, we may not have historical proof in physical form, but we do know that He existed. Many philosophers and authors from the time shortly after Jesus believed it, it was common knowledge. We do have proof of the disciples, and we have the Gospels that attest to it. I have proof that He is alive and exists through my own personal experiences


We don't actually know if He existed. Catholics/Christians could be wrong for all we know and Jesus may have not been real at all. That's the common argument, so at the end we just have to believe in Him and have faith l've had some personal experiences where it's impossible to say it's all just a coincidence for all of it to have happened, so l am compeltely convinced that Jesus and God really is watching over us
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