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The world, does it ignorantly stereotype religion?
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Lol some are generally true though (Like how most Christians probably have never read the bible before)

No seriously..Everything is stereotyped nowadays
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Yeah Religions have been misunderstood. The purpose of religion is to uphold the moral values of a human. Life is not complete with extreme of materialism, nor extreme of spritualism. According to Thomas Friedman its the balance between LEXUS & OLIVE TREE. but what crises we facing today is that many people are now falling in the extremes of materialism when viewed from there, religion seems to be a bitter thing.
This is evident esp in the media pasting information out of context and creating hatred amongst people.
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artgeek707 wrote:

Many people do that. I remember reading a article in my local newspaperfrom an idiotic bigot who claim that Muhammad was Lucifer and Allah was the devil. It scares me to think that they actual published that.


Lucifer and the devil are the same thing… I don’t understand this guys article…

IS there a link to this article?
Posted 2/9/08

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MidnightZorya wrote:

Ever thought about the possibility that people have their own brain and mind to think? Gosh, now you are stereotyping, too. Hypocrite. It doesn't take a genius to notice the controversial lifestyle of believers. Seriously.


Its a simple thing that your personal belief does not extend into forcing others into forcing others to accept it as their own. Being zealous is one thing but going to war is another.

A common person and even a lowly educated person understand what personal feud is, and won't necessirily (damn my spelling) call his/her brothers in arms/faith.

If one does not feel grieviously offended why the hate then? Stereotyping religion is a common thing but yet a very delicate matter. War didn't errupt by trivial things. Politics and power were the main reason, others (emotions) were the fuels.

In summary, what I'm trying to say is that: streotyping (whatever the subject is) is as common as a joke (and can be considered as one). Its nothing more than a conversational matter. But there is a big difference between a gossip and experience.


It doesn't matter what backgrounds(as in political or biased on emotions) this crusades or Jihads were based on and still are. The point is that religion is quite a vulnerable matter that can be used to manipulate people an official or unofficial way. And that is also why so many people dislike the idea of a religion as an organisation(for example the Vatican). Also the controversy that is to be find for example in the Bible, where it is said that God is everywhere. What does that mean? That means that you can pray wherever you want to, cuz God will always hear you. God never mentioned something about us building golden Churches for him. Or now did he? This means that only the fact that there are Churches and religious institutions like now, that the whole religious system is manipulated/corrupted, misused for political matters. But!! Lets say that if there were no official religious institutions, then there would be no place where the politicians/politics could address to. And they couldn't influence the believers in an organised way anymore.

Anyways religions like Islam or Christianity who are too much involved in politics are a sin in itself. It is against the ideology of God. It is also very immoral to manipulate people through their belief/religion. Which makes it to be not a religion of peace, but a religion of war. Since political interests are the first point that leads to wars. And since this religions are involved in the political matter they can't be counted as religions of peace.

Gossip and experience. Well that might be true, and we can't deny the fact that there are many people in this world who act like a typical sheep, and follow others words without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that the basic idea was based on a gossip/lie. And lets not lie not every gossip is based on a lie or imagination. And we also know that every joke has something true about it.

Also I think that the word stereotype/stereotyping is overused. It happens that there is a person who expresses the mind for the other million people into words. And that doesn't make the million people to be stereotypes. Seriously. As long as you don't know the background of the people's knowledge about this matter you can't cathegorise them as stereotypes.

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MidnightZorya wrote:


bruevitz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:

Ever thought about the possibility that people have their own brain and mind to think? Gosh, now you are stereotyping, too. Hypocrite. It doesn't take a genius to notice the controversial lifestyle of believers. Seriously.


Its a simple thing that your personal belief does not extend into forcing others into forcing others to accept it as their own. Being zealous is one thing but going to war is another.

A common person and even a lowly educated person understand what personal feud is, and won't necessirily (damn my spelling) call his/her brothers in arms/faith.

If one does not feel grieviously offended why the hate then? Stereotyping religion is a common thing but yet a very delicate matter. War didn't errupt by trivial things. Politics and power were the main reason, others (emotions) were the fuels.

In summary, what I'm trying to say is that: streotyping (whatever the subject is) is as common as a joke (and can be considered as one). Its nothing more than a conversational matter. But there is a big difference between a gossip and experience.


It doesn't matter what backgrounds(as in political or biased on emotions) this crusades or Jihads were based on and still are. The point is that religion is quite a vulnerable matter that can be used to manipulate people an official or unofficial way. And that is also why so many people dislike the idea of a religion as an organisation(for example the Vatican). Also the controversy that is to be find for example in the Bible, where it is said that God is everywhere. What does that mean? That means that you can pray wherever you want to, cuz God will always hear you. God never mentioned something about us building golden Churches for him. Or now did he? This means that only the fact that there are Churches and religious institutions like now, that the whole religious system is manipulated/corrupted, misused for political matters. But!! Lets say that if there were no official religious institutions, then there would be no place where the politicians/politics could address to. And they couldn't influence the believers in an organised way anymore.

Anyways religions like Islam or Christianity who are too much involved in politics are a sin in itself. It is against the ideology of God. It is also very immoral to manipulate people through their belief/religion. Which makes it to be not a religion of peace, but a religion of war. Since political interests are the first point that leads to wars. And since this religions are involved in the political matter they can't be counted as religions of peace.

Gossip and experience. Well that might be true, and we can't deny the fact that there are many people in this world who act like a typical sheep, and follow others words without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that the basic idea was based on a gossip/lie. And lets not lie not every gossip is based on a lie or imagination. And we also know that every joke has something true about it.

Also I think that the word stereotype/stereotyping is overused. It happens that there is a person who expresses the mind for the other million people into words. And that doesn't make the million people to be stereotypes. Seriously. As long as you don't know the background of the people's knowledge about this matter you can't cathegorise them as stereotypes.

Flo~


Crusades I understand were there for a long time. However, you said Jihad(s), and in the Islamic History, there has only been 1 Jihad war fought, and that was when Arab Attacked Persia, to free the people from the evil king. In fact the people did not want to fight the Arabs, they loved the idea of the religion. So the king ordered the soldiers to be put into chains and be chained to the ground in the battle grounds. Thats why its called the battle of the chains. The Persians were forced to fight,of course they lost, they did not have the heart to win, even with battle elephants!

Well anyways, thats the only jihad ever done. The rest I keep hearing is just pure simple bs to ruin the image of the religion ....

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MidnightZorya wrote:
It doesn't matter what backgrounds(as in political or biased on emotions) this crusades or Jihads were based on and still are. The point is that religion is quite a vulnerable matter that can be used to manipulate people an official or unofficial way. And that is also why so many people dislike the idea of a religion as an organisation(for example the Vatican). Also the controversy that is to be find for example in the Bible, where it is said that God is everywhere. What does that mean? That means that you can pray wherever you want to, cuz God will always hear you. God never mentioned something about us building golden Churches for him. Or now did he? This means that only the fact that there are Churches and religious institutions like now, that the whole religious system is manipulated/corrupted, misused for political matters. But!! Lets say that if there were no official religious institutions, then there would be no place where the politicians/politics could address to. And they couldn't influence the believers in an organised way anymore.

Anyways religions like Islam or Christianity who are too much involved in politics are a sin in itself. It is against the ideology of God. It is also very immoral to manipulate people through their belief/religion. Which makes it to be not a religion of peace, but a religion of war. Since political interests are the first point that leads to wars. And since this religions are involved in the political matter they can't be counted as religions of peace.

Gossip and experience. Well that might be true, and we can't deny the fact that there are many people in this world who act like a typical sheep, and follow others words without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that the basic idea was based on a gossip/lie. And lets not lie not every gossip is based on a lie or imagination. And we also know that every joke has something true about it.

Also I think that the word stereotype/stereotyping is overused. It happens that there is a person who expresses the mind for the other million people into words. And that doesn't make the million people to be stereotypes. Seriously. As long as you don't know the background of the people's knowledge about this matter you can't cathegorise them as stereotypes.

Flo~


Well, no one can really say which on is better really. Whether a country is seculer or not, it is a fact that any organized religion that has gained a hold in the society does has power to influence its believer. Well, organized religion is pretty much common these days, Buddism, Islam, Christian, Jewish, Hinduism. As long they have hierarchy and rules of cerimonial conduct.

Ah well as far as crusade goes, its war for land really, and for trade routes, and for politics. Ah yes, the link. But whether or not a religious system manipulated its believer its really the question of knowledge and trust of each and every individual that claims to be a believer really. So can't simply point finger here. Thats true at least for Christianity.

I don't see whats so corruptted about the current religious institution. Am I missing something here, after being secluded from outside world due to projects .

I'm in no position to pass a verdict whether things are good or bad. Well if one see and realize that there are many ill news about the world then maybe there's something wrong. Maybe its a calling or something .

And I agree with you. A gossip is very doubtful at best. Ten of them, its newsworthy. A hundred, then maybe its true.

Yes, yes, one needs the skill of reading between the lines. A tricky bussiness.
Posted 2/9/08

hezakkkk wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:


bruevitz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:

Ever thought about the possibility that people have their own brain and mind to think? Gosh, now you are stereotyping, too. Hypocrite. It doesn't take a genius to notice the controversial lifestyle of believers. Seriously.


Its a simple thing that your personal belief does not extend into forcing others into forcing others to accept it as their own. Being zealous is one thing but going to war is another.

A common person and even a lowly educated person understand what personal feud is, and won't necessirily (damn my spelling) call his/her brothers in arms/faith.

If one does not feel grieviously offended why the hate then? Stereotyping religion is a common thing but yet a very delicate matter. War didn't errupt by trivial things. Politics and power were the main reason, others (emotions) were the fuels.

In summary, what I'm trying to say is that: streotyping (whatever the subject is) is as common as a joke (and can be considered as one). Its nothing more than a conversational matter. But there is a big difference between a gossip and experience.


It doesn't matter what backgrounds(as in political or biased on emotions) this crusades or Jihads were based on and still are. The point is that religion is quite a vulnerable matter that can be used to manipulate people an official or unofficial way. And that is also why so many people dislike the idea of a religion as an organisation(for example the Vatican). Also the controversy that is to be find for example in the Bible, where it is said that God is everywhere. What does that mean? That means that you can pray wherever you want to, cuz God will always hear you. God never mentioned something about us building golden Churches for him. Or now did he? This means that only the fact that there are Churches and religious institutions like now, that the whole religious system is manipulated/corrupted, misused for political matters. But!! Lets say that if there were no official religious institutions, then there would be no place where the politicians/politics could address to. And they couldn't influence the believers in an organised way anymore.

Anyways religions like Islam or Christianity who are too much involved in politics are a sin in itself. It is against the ideology of God. It is also very immoral to manipulate people through their belief/religion. Which makes it to be not a religion of peace, but a religion of war. Since political interests are the first point that leads to wars. And since this religions are involved in the political matter they can't be counted as religions of peace.

Gossip and experience. Well that might be true, and we can't deny the fact that there are many people in this world who act like a typical sheep, and follow others words without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that the basic idea was based on a gossip/lie. And lets not lie not every gossip is based on a lie or imagination. And we also know that every joke has something true about it.

Also I think that the word stereotype/stereotyping is overused. It happens that there is a person who expresses the mind for the other million people into words. And that doesn't make the million people to be stereotypes. Seriously. As long as you don't know the background of the people's knowledge about this matter you can't cathegorise them as stereotypes.

Flo~


Crusades I understand were there for a long time. However, you said Jihad(s), and in the Islamic History, there has only been 1 Jihad war fought, and that was when Arab Attacked Persia, to free the people from the evil king. In fact the people did not want to fight the Arabs, they loved the idea of the religion. So the king ordered the soldiers to be put into chains and be chained to the ground in the battle grounds. Thats why its called the battle of the chains. The Persians were forced to fight,of course they lost, they did not have the heart to win, even with battle elephants!

Well anyways, thats the only jihad ever done. The rest I keep hearing is just pure simple bs to ruin the image of the religion ....



Of course I am aware of the people who are misusing the word Jihad, that's also a reason why I said Jihad. And it is not our fault if there are some Muslim terrorists(lets say Muslim, cuz they call themselves Muslims.)who tend to use the word Jihad for their terroristic actions. Plus I don't like the idea that you are tending to excuse this one Jihad. Wars have no excuses. And saying that they loved the idea of the religion is just really unrealistic, you make it sound as if every single Persian was attracted to Islams ideology, which is not true. You can't make such a generalising statement. Seriously. And since you were not there as the war happened you can't judge it just like that, just from reading historical books. And honestly, putting away every emotional feeling out of this then you would see that the Muslims at this moment weren't really fighting to free the people from this "evil" king as you said. They just saw a perfect moment to expand their territory, cuz the Persians were in a quite vulnerable/weakened state. Wars are all about tactics and good timing. And they are used to fulfill someones personal interests. And this Jihad was clearly about expanding the Arabs territory. Don't put this war under such a bright light, tsk tsk...that is just naive to say that they just did this war to save the Persian folk. Seriously.
Anyways, there were many wars caused by religion and its intolerance against other ideologies.

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MidnightZorya wrote:


hezakkkk wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:


bruevitz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:



Flo~




Of course I am aware of the people who are misusing the word Jihad, that's also a reason why I said Jihad. And it is not our fault if there are some Muslim terrorists(lets say Muslim, cuz they call themselves Muslims.)who tend to use the word Jihad for their terroristic actions. Plus I don't like the idea that you are tending to excuse this one Jihad. Wars have no excuses. And saying that they loved the idea of the religion is just really unrealistic, you make it sound as if every single Persian was attracted to Islams ideology, which is not true. You can't make such a generalising statement. Seriously. And since you were not there as the war happened you can't judge it just like that, just from reading historical books. And honestly, putting away every emotional feeling out of this then you would see that the Muslims at this moment weren't really fighting to free the people from this "evil" king as you said. They just saw a perfect moment to expand their territory, cuz the Persians were in a quite vulnerable/weakened state. Wars are all about tactics and good timing. And they are used to fulfill someones personal interests. And this Jihad was clearly about expanding the Arabs territory. Don't put this war under such a bright light, tsk tsk...that is just naive to say that they just did this war to save the Persian folk. Seriously.
Anyways, there were many wars caused by religion and its intolerance against other ideologies.

Flo~


Arent you doing the same? making a "generalized" statement that the war was for expanding territory? As you just said, were you also there? Did you also see all of this? If we try to discuss this on the terms you have put, no one is right, because no one was there ...
Posted 2/9/08

MidnightZorya wrote:
It doesn't matter what backgrounds(as in political or biased on emotions) this crusades or Jihads were based on and still are. The point is that religion is quite a vulnerable matter that can be used to manipulate people an official or unofficial way. And that is also why so many people dislike the idea of a religion as an organisation(for example the Vatican). Also the controversy that is to be find for example in the Bible, where it is said that God is everywhere. What does that mean? That means that you can pray wherever you want to, cuz God will always hear you. God never mentioned something about us building golden Churches for him. Or now did he? This means that only the fact that there are Churches and religious institutions like now, that the whole religious system is manipulated/corrupted, misused for political matters. But!! Lets say that if there were no official religious institutions, then there would be no place where the politicians/politics could address to. And they couldn't influence the believers in an organised way anymore.

Anyways religions like Islam or Christianity who are too much involved in politics are a sin in itself. It is against the ideology of God. It is also very immoral to manipulate people through their belief/religion. Which makes it to be not a religion of peace, but a religion of war. Since political interests are the first point that leads to wars. And since this religions are involved in the political matter they can't be counted as religions of peace.

Gossip and experience. Well that might be true, and we can't deny the fact that there are many people in this world who act like a typical sheep, and follow others words without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that the basic idea was based on a gossip/lie. And lets not lie not every gossip is based on a lie or imagination. And we also know that every joke has something true about it.

Also I think that the word stereotype/stereotyping is overused. It happens that there is a person who expresses the mind for the other million people into words. And that doesn't make the million people to be stereotypes. Seriously. As long as you don't know the background of the people's knowledge about this matter you can't cathegorise them as stereotypes.

Flo~




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Ah well as far as crusade goes, its war for land really, and for trade routes, and for politics. Ah yes, the link. But whether or not a religious system manipulated its believer its really the question of knowledge and trust of each and every individual that claims to be a believer really. So can't simply point finger here. Thats true at least for Christianity.


I don't see why everyone here is solely pointing their finger at Christianity. Islam is involved in this shit as much as any other monotheistic religion.
Also we all know that during the Medieval times the school was only for rich people available or monks and other members of the roman catholic church. Which did lead to the ignorance of the common people. They were all uneducated which made them more vulnerable for the church to manipulate them.


I don't see whats so corruptted about the current religious institution. Am I missing something here, after being secluded from outside world due to projects


I guess you are really missing something there.^.~



I'm in no position to pass a verdict whether things are good or bad. Well if one see and realize that there are many ill news about the world then maybe there's something wrong. Maybe its a calling or something

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hezakkkk wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:


hezakkkk wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:


bruevitz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:



Flo~




Of course I am aware of the people who are misusing the word Jihad, that's also a reason why I said Jihad. And it is not our fault if there are some Muslim terrorists(lets say Muslim, cuz they call themselves Muslims.)who tend to use the word Jihad for their terroristic actions. Plus I don't like the idea that you are tending to excuse this one Jihad. Wars have no excuses. And saying that they loved the idea of the religion is just really unrealistic, you make it sound as if every single Persian was attracted to Islams ideology, which is not true. You can't make such a generalising statement. Seriously. And since you were not there as the war happened you can't judge it just like that, just from reading historical books. And honestly, putting away every emotional feeling out of this then you would see that the Muslims at this moment weren't really fighting to free the people from this "evil" king as you said. They just saw a perfect moment to expand their territory, cuz the Persians were in a quite vulnerable/weakened state. Wars are all about tactics and good timing. And they are used to fulfill someones personal interests. And this Jihad was clearly about expanding the Arabs territory. Don't put this war under such a bright light, tsk tsk...that is just naive to say that they just did this war to save the Persian folk. Seriously.
Anyways, there were many wars caused by religion and its intolerance against other ideologies.

Flo~


Arent you doing the same? making a "generalized" statement that the war was for expanding territory? As you just said, were you also there? Did you also see all of this? If we try to discuss this on the terms you have put, no one is right, because no one was there ...


Nah, lets say that I was rather speculating. But my speculations are based on an emotionless basis and somehow based on historical knowledge(existing strategy maps..and so on). I was just looking at the matter from the strategical point of view.
While yours were just naive/biased. I mean you were talking about what people felt like at this time. Or did you find a psychology profile of that time where they analysed people's emotional state? I guess not.
Whoops I shouldn't have said historical books, but well I was referring to the biased historical documents. Though this is another assumption of mine, since I don't know what you did read..., but well I based it on how you expressed yourself, which I have to say did sound quite a bit emotionally biased. No offence. ^.~

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hmm, a lot of religion threads here (stereotyping??)

pretty pointless to discuss religion if one cannot take a neutral stand with other religions

should we discuss religion as a whole with the world or just specifying christian or muslim etc.?

if this is not clear, that is certainly stereotyping!
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SeraphAlford wrote:

The world, does it ignorantly stereotype religion?


Nameless4 wrote:

IMO, i see both religions being a threat to humanity, both religions have started some major conflicts, gave the ideal that the lighter you are the better you are. Jews and Africans are viewed as the lowest of the low. Those to books, which are said to be the holiest and sacred of things are nothing more than objects tainted by human ideologies and emotions, and not that of the divine.

Remember IMO


This is a quote from another thread I started. It is making reference to the Christian faith and the religion of the Islamic people. It’s absurd and stupid, considering that neither religion ever mentions anything about Africans being lower than anyone in their holy books; moreover, the Christian religion also calls the Jewish people “The first born of God,” and “God’s chosen people,” not suggestion them to be superior, but rather to have a privileged relationship with god.

Romans 2:11 states, “God does not show favoritism,”

1st Peter 2:11-12 says, “Dear friends, I urge, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds…”

And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on in this nature, because the Christian religion, rather a sham or the truth of life, is ultimately founded on the ideal of loving others more than yourself, bringing peace, and spreading the kingdom of God. Yes, I will say there seems to be some prejudice in the old testament (arguably, because its all a touch ambiguous when viewed as a whole,) but the new testament renews that and steps up to say that because of sacrifice and faith this is no longer true, for God loves all his people.

Yet, ignorance has led to an idiotic stereotype that the Christian religion says that blacks are inferior. Any twit of a Christian or atheist, or anyone else, who believes that is nothing more than an ignorant and mislead individual, because nothing the bible says anything about that.

The Islamic religion, although certainly violent towards Jews and other people who do not believe what the Muslims do, does not at all attack people for the number of pigments in their skin. How stupid is that? Do you really believe the Qur’an stops to say, “And Allah hates anyone who does not have this many skin pigments,” no!

This is a false image put into the minds of stupid or ignorant people by the opiates of media, prejudice, and narrow mindedness.

The Jews get it worse than anyone, which is annoying, because they haven't tried to push anything on anyone. They're the most introversive religion I have ever seen or heard of.

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Alot of people are forced to either go to a religious school
or attend church.

Once they got older and developed an independent mind, they
saw the faults in religion that their biased schools and churches
didn't point out in their sermons/classes etc.

I guess it demolished what we thought was perfect
and therefore we turn our backs on it.

Or maybe they come from a unreligious upbringing.
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Don blame me, but i think Christianity kinda have some things wrong....

Firstly, they said god ain't bias and treats everyone the same,
But, the bible was all the the jews, i remembered once that when i went to the church with my friend,
the pastor once said, after the guy who betrayed jesus, jesus told his disciples to go spread the word throughout, does this means that the word wasn't throughout???

Secondly, if there was a "God", Why didn't he go and kill/slay/eliminate all the false gods and devils? This point really arouses my curiosity.

Thirdly, if there was a "God" Why are there all these GodDam war shit? If you were a god, don't you think you should make the world more perfect like?

Fourthly, Did God created Earth only or the whole universe? o_O [Super Curious]

Fifth , Did you think of these Questions? [Christians or Non Christians]

Sixth , I was [I Admit] once a christian, but i ain't one now after asking myself these questions. The church always say that pre-married sex is wrong. Adultery is Wrong. I've read the bible, and it does promote racial disharmony especially on one part of where they talked bad about the blacks.

Seventh, in Solomon where he won the wars and stuff, he did it through "Gods" help did he not? Does this not mean that "God" was bias? Even if the other Countries had "FALSE GODS" and stuffs, Why couldnt he appear to them and show his own "Magnificient" Instead, he was biased towards Solomon and his people and their country were in great favour [If it is True].

Eigth, Jesus died on the cross and many blamed Judas, Why? I mean, if he didn't you christians wont even think a cross is significant LOL

Nineth, Why do Churches have to "Expand" ? It really cracks my head, i mean like, you take donations to build up the church so the church members have better facilities? If the church members are really loyal, who cares about the facilities right?

Tenth, Sorry about it, I just think all Religions are Practically Crap and there are so many Doubtful points about it and that "Religious People" are kinda just making it an excuse for their own sense of not being able to grow up and try to count on themselves

Eleventh - Edited - I think Religions are kinda a bluff by the Older Generations to teach Morales to the Younger ones =/

Twelve , Why are you Christians trying to be like JESUS? I mean, you are you and he is he, why the hell are you trying to be something your not? =.= [Added On Point]
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