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Official - The Sharia Laws in the UK - Accepted.
Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422661,00.html -- as someone thinks that the following website is extremist, thus not reliable, what about foxnews?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/09/sharia-law-in-the-uk-now-its-official/


The alleged leading Christian in Britain, the Archbishop of Canterbury, told us that it was “unavoidable.” The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, thought it was a smashing idea. So with these pillars of the establishment lining up to extol the virtues of sharia Law in the UK, it was only a matter of time until it became an official part of the British way of life. And that time has now come.
With barely a whisper, the government has sanctioned sharia judges to have the power to rule on such cases as financial disputes, divorce and even domestic violence.
Sharia courts that have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Nuneaton can now enforce their rulings with the full power of the judicial system, through either the country courts or the High Court. Sharia courts in Britain had previously depended upon voluntary agreement between Muslims.
This latest encroachment of Islam into the British way of life is the result of a clause in the Arbitration Act of 1996 which the leader of the sharia courts, Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, has exploited:
“We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”
Siddiqi went on to say, “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases.”
In what should be a worrying development for liberal feminists (but of course won’t be), the new sharia courts can also rule on such matters as divorce and even domestic violence. With women’s’ low status in Islam, there are real fears that judgements will be biased towards men.
There is already evidence of this happening. In a recent inheritance case heard in the Nuneaton court, the ruling on the estate of a Muslim in the Midlands gave the two sons twice as much as the three daughters. Under British law, the daughters would have received equal payment.
And in a sinister development, there are fears that Muslim women are being frightened into silence over domestic violence cases. Of the six cases the courts have handled, all the husbands were simply ordered to take anger management training and advice from “community elders” and in every case, the women withdrew their accusations of violence they had lodged with the police, forcing the investigations into the cases to be halted.
Despite outrage from indigenous Britons that Islam was setting up a parallel legal system in Britain, flying in the face of the absolute nature of British law, the Muslim Council of Britain, the much publicised “moderate” face of British Islam, fully supported this significant milestone in British history. Inyat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the groups said that “the MCB supports these tribunals.”
As, it would seem, do many of Britain’s Muslims in general. A recent study carried out by the Centre for Social Cohesion revealed that 40% of British Muslims were in favour of the introduction of sharia law into Britain while 33% of them wanted to go a step further and have a worldwide Islamic sharia-based government.


Seriously, WTF??!! Now, that's too much.

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Sharia laws are fine when left outside the hands of extremists or radicals. Besides, most of this stuff is for marriage, divorce, banking etc.


With women’s’ low status in Islam, there are real fears that judgements will be biased towards men.

This made me laugh, read up on Islamic marriage Sharia, before making such a statement. Men have a pretty raw deal and plenty more responsibilities when it comes to marriage, despite popular opinion.

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I wouldn't trust anything that was posted on the BNP website Flo.
They're one of the most extremist parties in the UK.
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Sharia laws are fine when left outside the hands of extremists or radicals. Besides, most of this stuff is for marriage, divorce, banking etc.


With women’s’ low status in Islam, there are real fears that judgements will be biased towards men.

This made me laugh, read up on Islamic marriage Sharia, before making such a statement. Men have a pretty raw deal and plenty more responsibilities when it comes to marriage, despite popular opinion.



Reality and theory is slightly different. Besides that, don't tell ME to read it, as it was not me who stated it. But I can only agree with that statement.


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I wouldn't trust anything that was posted on the BNP website Flo.
They're one of the most extremist parties in the UK.


Well, it's not only BNP who posted it? Foxnews, etc...search for it.

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animoo_x wrote:

I wouldn't trust anything that was posted on the BNP website Flo.
They're one of the most extremist parties in the UK.


Well, it's not only BNP who posted it? Foxnews, etc...search for it.

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Haha well Fox News is pretty biased as well. =]

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong Flo. Just wanted to point out that the sources aren't entirely reliable.

As for the issue, well I don't know much about it to be honest. It hasn't been reported much in BBC and on Channel 4 and the first time I heard about it was when my friend brought it up yesterday.
So I'm sorry but I don't really have a firm stance on this topic.
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I still think having the UK government appoint Islamic leaders like this will limit the influence of extremist preachers. Young people will have moderate officials to address their concerns and queries to, instead of hate mongers and bigots.
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I-Killerbee-I wrote:


animoo_x wrote:

I wouldn't trust anything that was posted on the BNP website Flo.
They're one of the most extremist parties in the UK.


Well, it's not only BNP who posted it? Foxnews, etc...search for it.

Floetry~


Haha well Fox News is pretty biased as well. =]

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong Flo. Just wanted to point out that the sources aren't entirely reliable.

As for the issue, well I don't know much about it to be honest. It hasn't been reported much in BBC and on Channel 4 and the first time I heard about it was when my friend brought it up yesterday.
So I'm sorry but I don't really have a firm stance on this topic.


Uhm, every single media is biased. Besides that, even if they are biased, they can't post lies, such as "Sharia laws being sanctioned", the laws have been accepted, and already the first court cases have been worked on. So the main point that it was accepted is still there.

Ffs, what do Sharia laws have to do in a non-Islamic country? Maybe I should go to the UAE or Afghanistan, and ask for the same? Damn, I guess that wouldn't go through.

Moox, all you need to know are the basics of the Sharia laws, and the way it goes round in most Islamic homes.

Anyway. The UK is just trying to profit from that, I am so sure about this. It gives them plus points in the Islamic countries. - means better collaboration with the Islamic countries, especially those who have oil sources. Hahaha

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You could mention that it applies only to Muslim Civil cases somewhere in your first post.
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You could mention that it applies only to Muslim Civil cases somewhere in your first post.


It should be somewhere in the quoted piece of writings. Besides that...I must read more on it, because I don't really see how they are going to manage families where one part is Muslim and the other Atheist, or something like that. I mean under what law will I fall when I have a Muslim husband? Eh?

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Ok I just read up on this on some websites and basically the Sharia Laws cannot override British Law.
The Sharia Law only really affects two areas

1. Food regulations will allow meat to be slaughtered according to Jewish and Islamic practises and
2. Approval of Sharia-compliant financial products, such as mortgages, as Islam forbids interest.

I think in reality there won't be any major changes but most of the complaints about the Sharia Laws are coming from some Muslim women in Britain who are concerned about their rights.

*EDIT: Yes I agree Flo. Part of this is to do with British self interest.
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animoo_x wrote:

Ok I just read up on this on some websites and basically the Sharia Laws cannot override British Law.
The Sharia Law only really affects two areas

1. Food regulations will allow meat to be slaughtered according to Jewish and Islamic practises and
2. Approval of Sharia-compliant financial products, such as mortgages, as Islam forbids interest.

I think in reality there won't be any major changes but most of the complaints about the Sharia Laws are coming from some Muslim women in Britain who are concerned about their rights.


If that is the case, why so serious? It's 1.)basically standardizing Halal and Kosher meat.
2.)Approving Islamic banking standards, which is being introduced in several Asian and European countries anyway, by companies such as HSBC, due to it's relative flexibility compared to normal banking procedures.

The BNP made it sound like The End of Days lol
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@moox -

Exactly. The women who searched for a decent place where they can live "the way they want", is now literally gone.

Besides that, under what law will I fall if my husband is Muslim, and I want to go to court, because lets say he beats me up every single night? Or when I want to divorce, and have children with him? (I am agnostic, I don't have any religion)

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@moox -

Exactly. The women who searched for a decent place where they can live "the way they want", is now literally gone.

Besides that, under what law will I fall if my husband is Muslim, and I want to go to court, because lets say he beats me up every single night? Or when I want to divorce, and have children with him? (I am agnostic, I don't have any religion)

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Read animoo's post. Sharia applies to the Food regulations (Halal) and Islamic financing only. There's nothing about domestic violence mentioned there so presumably UK laws will still apply for such incidents.
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If that is the case, why so serious? It's 1.)basically standardizing Halal and Kosher meat.
2.)Approving Islamic banking standards, which is being introduced in several Asian and European countries anyway, by companies such as HSBC, due to it's relative flexibility compared to normal banking procedures.

The BNP made it sound like The End of Days lol


Well first of the BNP is called the British National Party for a reason. They are extremist and they are the party who would love to kick out all ethnicities from Britain, apart from Caucasions of course (spelling?)

Disregarding that though, many people probably jumped to the conclusion that the Sharia Laws will act as a parallel legal system alongside the British legal system, which is not the case of course. On top of this there will be misunderstandings about what the Sharia Laws are. I expect most people, when hearing that it's Islamic, will think of it as being very extremist and they will concentrate on the more controversial aspects of it ie flogging, stoning etc.
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animoo_x wrote:

Well first of the BNP is called the British National Party for a reason. They are extremist and they are the party who would love to kick out all ethnicities from Britain, apart from Caucasions of course (spelling?)

Disregarding that though, many people probably jumped to the conclusion that the Sharia Laws will act as a parallel legal system alongside the British legal system, which is not the case of course. On top of this there will be misunderstandings about what the Sharia Laws are. I expect most people, when hearing that it's Islamic, will think of it as being very extremist and they will concentrate on the more controversial aspects of it ie flogging, stoning etc.


for some reason, I fail to see how Halal food regulations and Islamic financing is going to trample upon women's rights

Plus, the BNP don't have any right to adopt a 'Holier-than-thou' attitude themselves. They are disgusting racists.
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