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Official - The Sharia Laws in the UK - Accepted.
Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08

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for some reason, I fail to see how Halal food regulations and Islamic financing is going to trample upon women's rights


Well seeing as the articles that Flo provided are from 15 September and the most recent articles that I could find on BBC and Channel 4 etc were from July/August then I'm assuming that the Sharia Laws have entered a re-discussion phase. Although whether that is the case I'm not entirely sure.

It's probably just a fear that what is at first a perfectly acceptable and appropriate Sharia Law will develop into something bigger once the foundations of this law has been set.
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h4x0rz wrote:

for some reason, I fail to see how Halal food regulations and Islamic financing is going to trample upon women's rights


Well seeing as the articles that Flo provided are from 15 September and the most recent articles that I could find on BBC and Channel 4 etc were from July/August then I'm assuming that the Sharia Laws have entered a re-discussion phase. Although whether that is the case I'm not entirely sure.

It's probably just a fear that what is at first a perfectly acceptable and appropriate Sharia Law will develop into something bigger once the foundations of this law has been set.


it's an irrational fear, in my opinion. These two laws are miles away from the laws of adultery etc. which will never be passed in the UK due to it's direct conflict with British law.
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Muslim civil cases. The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

I think that's moox's info is a little outdated?

Well, lets wait a few days, and then the more reliable sources will show up with their articles.
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Anyway, even if not all Sharia laws would be applied in the UK, the fact what Sharia laws represent, and what they are being used for in countries such as Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc. Is not funny.
Maybe I am now making a serious comparison, which you will dislike, but that's like saying, I want to get Hitler's laws and ideas partially legal as well, as there are some good ideas, right?

I am sorry, but for me, this is something I can't accept. Such arrogance, it's incredible. When I move to a different country, no matter what my religion is, I will abide by the given rules there, and will not try to force my rights through, unless it was something that would concern death or life matters.
It's disrespectful of the Islamic communities to get themselves special treatment and laws. Seriously.

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Anyway, even if not all Sharia laws would be applied in the UK, the fact what Sharia laws represent, and what they are being used for in countries such as Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc. Is not funny.
Maybe I am now making a serious comparison, which you will dislike, but that's like saying, I want to get Hitler's laws and ideas partially legal as well, as there are some good ideas, right?

I am sorry, but for me, this is something I can't accept. Such arrogance, it's incredible. When I move to a different country, no matter what my religion is, I will abide by the given rules there, and will not try to force my rights through, unless it was something that would concern death or life matters.
It's disrespectful of the Islamic communities to get themselves special treatment and laws. Seriously
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I trust the judgement of the UK public and governement more than Nigeria and Afghanistan.
Sure, as long as no prejudice, bigotry or Holocausts are involved, even Hitler's ideas are fine.
The UK government provided these laws themselves, to counteract the vigilante nature of radical preachers. That's an infinitely better option than leading confused youth to make wrong choices and adopt extremism.
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^Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

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EDIT: you replied too fast, now the point I was trying to point out...got..;~; w/e
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I-Killerbee-I wrote:

Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
^ It's still arrogant. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

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it's not just the people, but the government thought it's a good idea too. It'll be slightly calming for some of the Muslim people there, and will probably curb stuff like Honor Killing etc. which has no place in actual sharia texts.



It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.


I'm not sure they had violent preaching to introduce these sharia laws. I thought this was the governments own initiative?
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I-Killerbee-I wrote:

Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
^ It's still arrogant. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

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it's not just the people, but the government thought it's a good idea too. It'll be slightly calming for some of the Muslim people there, and will probably curb stuff like Honor Killing etc. which has no place in actual sharia texts.



It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.


I'm not sure they had violent preaching to introduce these sharia laws. I thought this was the governments own initiative?


I think I do understand that the UK government wanted to be fair to the Islamic community in the UK, but giving someone special rights, is just not fair. I just don't think that it is a good way, if the government's law system tries to adapt to the will of the few Muslims. Aren't we lawfully ALL equal? So why does a minority need special treatment, rights? I don't see any plausible reasons, and if they can't go along with our legal system, then why wouldn't they join a community, country where their laws are allowed, and mainstream? This would be called a parallel legal system, and that is unlawful to my knowledge. People want to have the same rights, but they always need to differentiate themselves from the majority, why? Why can't you just live in peace with our ideologies of a lawful system? Why would you need special rights? Because it causes issues such as honour killings, and having a parallel legal system would solve the whole issue? Are you kidding me? In my opinion this will only support this kind of actions even more.

Own initiative? Lol? Yes, well you, yourself said that there are issues with honour killings and any other similar kind of threat caused by a few violent parties. This is using violence, to force the UK government to do something against it, and oh so wonderful, someone tells them that it would be good to allow a few Sharia laws as it would solve a few of these issues. What a coincidence. And no, this idea was first mentioned by a Muslim, as far as I know.

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EDIT: Anyway there is no point in arguing here, you have your views, I have my own, and I am certainly not going to force you to understand my views on that issue.
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Unfortunately, terrorism and extremism is fast growing in popularity among new immigrants to the UK. The government is trying to adopt these measures to build bridges, and not make the mistake of isolating the community further.
Keeping these measures will directly stem the growth of home grown terrorism.
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who ever erote the article seems kinda racist towards muslims.
i mean just because u don't understand their religon doesn't mean its wrong!
get information from a real source and u will find out muslim women actually have a very high standing in Islam!
Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08

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who ever erote the article seems kinda racist towards muslims.
i mean just because u don't understand their religon doesn't mean its wrong!
get information from a real source and u will find out muslim women actually have a very high standing in Islam!


I beg your pardon, but racist? Now that's quite wrongly used. For all I know, Muslims are a group of people who share the same belief, or similar belief, i.e. Islam. It definitely ain't based on any races.

And even if Islam seems to have set up high standards for women, theory and praxis are quite something different, don't you think so, too? It's quite a common fact that women have and still are severely mistreated in countries where the main religion seems to be Islam. By any means, I don't mean to sound offending, but ignoring things that are quite obvious and widely common and well-known, is quite an ignorant act.

Whether people understand this religion and its laws has nothing to do with what is happening in reality. And what we see isn't really a pleasing thing to see. You might excuse this as a cultural matter, but hey, if that's true, doesn't that mean that all of them are in fact pagans? I quite remember well, that Islam doesn't think very highly of pagan-like cultural traditions.

Anyway, no need to answer. All I wanted to point out, is that this article isn't racist. It might be a little biased, but it ain't all that wrong. And maybe checking your vocabulary knowledge wouldn't be that bad of an idea, don't you think so? Saying something is racist, while it's definitely not, tsk tsk, quite sad.

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Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08

I-Killerbee-I wrote:


better wrote:

who ever erote the article seems kinda racist towards muslims.
i mean just because u don't understand their religon doesn't mean its wrong!
get information from a real source and u will find out muslim women actually have a very high standing in Islam!


I beg your pardon, but racist? Now that's quite wrongly used. For all I know, Muslims are a group of people who share the same belief, or similar belief, i.e. Islam. It definitely ain't based on any races.

And even if the Quran seems to have set up high standards for women, theory and praxis are quite something different, don't you think so, too? It's quite a common fact that women have and still are severely mistreated in countries where the main religion seems to be Islam. By any means, I don't mean to sound offending, but ignoring things that are quite obvious and widely common and well-known, is quite an ignorant act.

Whether people understand this religion and its laws has nothing to do with what is happening in reality. And what we see isn't really a pleasing thing to see. You might excuse this as a cultural matter, but hey, if that's true, doesn't that mean that all of them are in fact pagans? I quite remember well, that Islam doesn't think very highly of pagan-like cultural traditions. %0


Almost every mainstream Religion hates pagans, and religious laws really are as meaningless as they sound.

Do you seriously have to edit a post just to include that pointless bit of post-script? There are no signatures on CR.
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I-Killerbee-I wrote:

^Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

Floetry~

EDIT: you replied too fast, now the point I was trying to point out...got..;~; w/e


actually in islam, violence is the last resort to solve problems
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Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08

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I-Killerbee-I wrote:

^Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

Floetry~

EDIT: you replied too fast, now the point I was trying to point out...got..;~; w/e


actually in islam, violence is the last resort to solve problems


lol sure it is......
thats why muslims in muslim countries kill people if they want to change their religion right


dont even try to say that "islam is the religion of peace" crap in here
Posted 9/16/08 , edited 9/16/08

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Almost every mainstream Religion hates pagans, and religious laws really are as meaningless as they sound.

Do you seriously have to edit a post just to include that pointless bit of post-script? There are no signatures on CR.

That's true, well this is a widely known fact, they are hypocrites. Whatsoever, I could kill my internet connection atm, it's f*cking slow, it was interrupting while I was posting the other post.

And hell, yes, the latter part was needed to point out what I was actually referring to. And yes, I sign all of my posts, unless I forget it, which is none of your business and definitely not the reason why I edited my post, that is if you would have observed the latter bit that I needed to add as it didn't go through with my first attempt of trying to post it.


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actually in islam, violence is the last resort to solve problems


Well, that is Islam for you, but why do so many Muslims resolve into violence? (rhetorical question) As I said many times before, theory and praxis are two different things.

What might be written in the Quran or Sunnahs, doesn't necessarily mean that someone will interpret it like you, it's all open to an individual's interpretation, the same goes with any other religious scripts. It's all a matter of opinion and understanding. While there are fanatics in every religion, the Islamic fanatics are currently quite strongly outnumbering any other group of zealots of any other religion.

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definitely not the reason why I edited my post,


I saw your post without a signature and half a minute later when i refreshed it had been edited with the signature included. There's no point in covering it up if you insist on doing it.
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