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Official - The Sharia Laws in the UK - Accepted.
Posted 9/16/08
^ compare the post you quoted and the post I edited after you quoted me, there is a whole paragraph that I had to add. Now quit b*tching already and getting off topic.

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better wrote:

who ever erote the article seems kinda racist towards muslims.


Islam is not a race.



i mean just because u don't understand their religon doesn't mean its wrong!


It's not about hating the unknown, it's about being revolted by the ways in which Sharia law is incompatible with a modern, secular world. It's about the encroachment of religious law into a secular society.
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^ this is a joke if you can't handle it or are offended i have this to say
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hyenas wrote:


better wrote:

who ever erote the article seems kinda racist towards muslims.


Islam is not a race.



i mean just because u don't understand their religon doesn't mean its wrong!


It's not about hating the unknown, it's about being revolted by the ways in which Sharia law is incompatible with a modern, secular world. It's about the encroachment of religious law into a secular society.


yes thats teh point i don't hate muslims at all
its just that the amount of bullshit they swallow down from their religion is incredible....

Simple divisions of Islam/Mosque or whatever and state is still conflicting.....
If a religious leader says X must die because he is not Islamic enough why must the state carry out the murder??


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^Your stance on that. Okay. But it's impossible as people will call you racist if you support some of Hitler's ideologies. The way you might see this world, is not really how it rules. It's almost considered a sin to have some compassion with a few of the ideologies of Hitler.
It's still arrogant. Now, they accomplished with their violent preaching what they wanted. What do you think this will make them think? Yay, violence always works. Giving them what they want, they will want more and more. That's the way people are.

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EDIT: you replied too fast, now the point I was trying to point out...got..;~; w/e


actually in islam, violence is the last resort to solve problems


lol sure it is......
thats why muslims in muslim countries kill people if they want to change their religion right


dont even try to say that "islam is the religion of peace" crap in here


it is true, that there is violence; which goes for every single country out there...... dont let me point out the crusaders!!! who fought in the name of jesus and killed millions of people both Jews and Muslims, and it was them who also invented the phrase "holy war", and now people use that same phrase against Muslims....... what a cliche!!!. knowing a little bit of history now and then could really help you comprehend ideologies: dont just blurr out what teh media feeds you!! AND just because ppl killed ppl in muslm countries does not mean that islam is not the religion of peace. those. LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE RELIGION FROM VIOLENCE!!!! there is no religion in this world that
Posted 9/16/08

messy messy..
what are they doing here (besides the obvious)?
Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08
@aminasahra, we live in the 21st century..do we seriously need more "crusades"? The middle age was a mess, but hell, we are now in the 21st century, and I don't see Christians go all vile when someone makes a caricature of Jesus, while surprisingly, the Muslims do. If the religion of Islam is the religion of peace, I won't start to debate about this, as almost every religion is somehow having an intolerant and violent core, but quite frankly, why is it just the Muslims who get so "offended"? What might seem holy to them, doesn't have to be holy for me. Nonetheless, trying to excuse everything with the media bias, is just very irrational and a futile argument as the media, even if it is biased, which I definitely won't deny, there is still something true about it, and the fact that there are such cases happening at all, is proof enough, at least for me, that this religion isn't really making its folk peaceful at mind. Whatsoever, your opinion on this might differ with mine, but that doesn't really matter.

While you say Islam is peaceful, which I won't argue about as I already know that again we wouldn't agree on that point, I don't see the actual followers of this religion act in a peaceful manner. Again, no offence meant by this statement.

It is nice if someone is so strongly devoted to his religion, but even there is a limit to the actual devotion. As you might have noticed, most religious laws, no matter from what religion, are hardly adaptable to the modernity of this society without breaking human rights, etc., unless you want to live a very pragmatic life which is impossible, but you can't have both, there is no "golden way" that would allow you to be a good believer and being at the same time a person who is fully integrated into the surrounding of a western society. That's where the conflict starts. You'll be always surrounded by "sinful" people, sins, and you'll eventually fall down to the same level as those "sinful" people.

What I want to say, is that you can't have both. You can't have some "archaic" laws define your life, while wanting to live a modern life in the UK. Either you'll stick to the archaic laws, and go to the place, where these laws and rules are already part of society and regularly applied, or you give up on them, and have a decent life in the UK.

And if you can't live with the idea of having your problems getting solved, or commanded by the legal system of the UK, or any other Western country, then the only way to solve this issue is to leave. Quite honestly, I don't see any plausible reasons why I would need to adapt myself to a foreigner, or foreign religion. It's like some German coming to my country, and forcing me to talk in German, while the native language of my country is definitely NOT German. It's an incredible act of arrogance and selfishness, quite frankly, it pisses me off and for that matter I am not even a nationalist or patriot. ಠ_ಠ

Acts like that will only lead to more hatred towards the Muslims, because with such a high amount of arrogance and pride, you'll only piss people off. You want us to understand you, and your religion, but where is your understanding for us and our lifestyle?

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Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08
there's nothing wrong with Sharia laws like h4x0rz said when left outside the hands of
extremists; the rules favours women rights and status that , it is in no case unfair toward
both sexe.
the sharia laws focus also on business marriage (divorce) and always give the victime his
rights.

With women’s’ low status in Islam, there are real fears that judgements will be biased
towards men.

....2008 and people still think that muslim women are struggling in pain and bla bla bla , we
live like all women do , we have rules to follow and that's not something to go emo about it
. when a women suffer from DV she has to seek for help , the law helps and prtects her
DV exists everywhere not only in islam, so do the freak husbands.

There is already evidence of this happening. In a recent inheritance case heard in the
Nuneaton court, the ruling on the estate of a Muslim in the Midlands gave the two sons
twice as much as the three daughters. Under British law, the daughters would have
received equal payment.

er.. yes there's a wisdom behind that special part , women are destined to get married and
to live under a man while a man is destined to responsibility of his whole family [in normal
life]
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The middle age was a mess, but hell, we are now in the 21st century, and I don't see Christians go all vile when someone makes a caricature of Jesus, while surprisingly, the Muslims do,If the religion of Islam is the religion of peace

Because sis they respect their religious icons and they know their value in life ; making jokes over religions is not funny and entertaining , i don't see why they should accept entertaining and not receiving respect from the others why should they always *get over it* why should i always be the one who must -respect other opinions- is this what 21st century you are talking about? ... religion of peace of course ! that's not peace you are talking about it's offending other's beliefs to make 20 more South park episodes and to sell some crappy newspaper.

While you say Islam is peaceful, which I won't argue about as I already know that again we wouldn't agree on that point, I don't see the actual followers of this religion act in a peaceful manner. Again, no offence meant by this statement.

like who ? i didn't get it here

It is nice if someone is so strongly devoted to his religion, but even there is a limit to the actual devotion. As you might have noticed, most religious laws, no matter from what religion, are hardly adaptable to the modernity of this society without breaking human rights, etc., unless you want to live a very pragmatic life which is impossible, but you can't have both,

Strongly devoted ? that term does not belong to the Islam religion though , you are religious or you are not , for Muslims being religious mean doing the prayers in time, not doing bad deeds, speak respectfully with others, eat what is allowed to be eaten , drink what's allowed,fasting etc...i see no strongly devoted term here....
Modern society ? can you explain to me what is the difference between the past and now ? expect more violence more crimes more anarchy more ignorance? i believe that what we call past was the modern life, take a guess what the 21st century is.

there is no "golden way" that would allow you to be a good believer and being at the same time a person who is fully integrated into the surrounding of a western society. That's where the conflict starts. You'll be always surrounded by "sinful" people, sins, and you'll eventually fall down to the same level as those "sinful" people.

in that case the muslim should ask him self what is he doing there ; you can see Muslims working with non-Muslims, and you know what, they actually don't drink when they have meal together , this is what we call respect , if a Muslim is in a non-muslim country he should , respect others religion while keeping his , this is Integrity we are talking about! . avoid to hurt the other party , non muslim can have his drink later , and being social with a Muslim , and that way both religions were respected, but is isn't stated that muslims can't have a normal social life with non muslims anywhere; as long as the other party in intellectual not some retards who keeps bashing.
Acts like that will only lead to more hatred towards the Muslims, because with such a high amount of arrogance and pride, you'll only piss people off. You want us to understand you, and your religion, but where is your understanding for us and our lifestyle?
you are wrong ...you are seriously wrong =/
Posted 9/17/08

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messy messy..
what are they doing here (besides the obvious)?


this is how they party
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Posted 9/17/08

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jhat joke is not funny at all :vicx: !!

juste for your information :

these are called the SHIITES that are: the party of Ali ( Ali is Muhammad's(the prophet) son-in-law ) ; it is a religious movement !! shiites represent only about 10% of Muslims in the world, they are a majority in Iran and Iraq !! so, don't generalize ! not all muslims are like that, not all the muslims are extremists. and the picture is representing the shiites who are punishing themselves for the bad things they did, sorry but muslims are not emo -_- !! in addition the shiites are not even classified as muslims !!




Shiites are muslims too, but different from mainstream Islam. It's sort of like Catholicism and Protestantism in Christianity.
I'm a Sunni btw.
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h4x0rz wrote:

Shiites are muslims too, but different from mainstream Islam. It's sort of like Catholicism and Protestantism in Christianity.
I'm a Sunni btw.

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Posted 9/17/08

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^ this is a joke if you can't handle it or are offended i have this to say
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that joke is not funny at all !!

juste for your information :

these are called the SHIITES that are: the party of Ali ( Ali is Muhammad's(the prophet) son-in-law ) ; it is a religious movement !! shiites represent only about 10% of Muslims in the world, they are a majority in Iran and Iraq !! so, don't generalize ! not all muslims are like that, not all the muslims are extremists. and the picture is representing the shiites who are punishing themselves for the bad things they did, sorry but muslims are not emo -_- !!
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Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08

h4x0rz wrote:


roxanelectra wrote:





jhat joke is not funny at all :vicx: !!

juste for your information :

these are called the SHIITES that are: the party of Ali ( Ali is Muhammad's(the prophet) son-in-law ) ; it is a religious movement !! shiites represent only about 10% of Muslims in the world, they are a majority in Iran and Iraq !! so, don't generalize ! not all muslims are like that, not all the muslims are extremists. and the picture is representing the shiites who are punishing themselves for the bad things they did, sorry but muslims are not emo -_- !! in addition the shiites are not even classified as muslims !!




Shiites are muslims too, but different from mainstream Islam. It's sort of like Catholicism and Protestantism in Christianity.
I'm a Sunni btw.



yes yes you are right they are muslims too ^__^ , I was correcting my post -.- , but they represent a very small part of muslims, what i wanted to tell is to not give to muslims such bad views !!
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Religious freedom is one thing, but they are in U.K. shouldn't they just follow the law there instead? If someone don't like it, they can move. Someone argue with me please.
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rexxar wrote:

Religious freedom is one thing, but they are in U.K. shouldn't they just follow the law there instead? If someone don't like it, they can move. Someone argue with me please.



no arguments here
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Posted 9/19/08 , edited 9/19/08
That's the hard part, most of the strongly religious people don't see that there are other people who live according to a different lifestyle, religious laws, laws in general. They see us as sinful, and therefore everything we say is wrong, and sinful, thus our rights and opinions are not worth a penny in their eyes, they only see themselves as prey, and abused, while they completely forget that they may be offending me or you as well, with their religious practices. Maybe I find it offending that someone thinks that women should cover their head and body? Yes, maybe I find it annoying when someone thinks that they should have the right to cut throats open just so that they can get their Halal meat? Why are they allowed to do so, while my own folk doesn't have the right to do so? That's where it gets unfair. Parallel legal systems are for that matter unlawful. Why do I need to respect someone's religion and laws, when he comes to MY country? Why should I respect them at all? Why should I treat them differently? Aren't we all, at the core, humans, regardless of what religion or race we might be entitled to?

By all means, there is a limit to everything. And out of courtesy, as a foreigner, you MUST respect the folk and country that you've immigrated to, otherwise, GTFO.

@atrachan, your reply makes no sense at all, and just shows the selfishness of your folk. Whining about why you guys should respect us if we don't respect you...you have no right to claim special treatment or rights in a foreign country, because, you know what? To me you are just a human being, and I couldn't care less what your religion is, because for me my laws in my country are to be respected, and Muslim or not, you will be punished according to my laws. And when some Imam or Muslim comes to me and thinks that there should be a parallel legal system, so that the Muslims can feel like at home, too, is just utterly unlawful and disrespectful, that's like saying, "your laws and rules suck, I want mine to be integrated now or I'll be continuing with the revolting" *whining and jumping on the floor like a little spoiled child*. If you want to feel homely, then, please, go back to where you came from. How about that? Nobody is forcing you to stay somewhere, where you don't seem to feel "at home".

And holy f*cking hell, I don't feel like seeing that in MY country there are people who live after "archaical" laws, which disrespect the basic rights of humans. For you the Sharia laws are okay, but hey, guess what, I am not Muslim, and I don't share the same opinion with you on that matter. You must know that we live a different lifestyle, so we can't have the same opinion on laws that you are living your whole life after already, while I never got in touch with a, imo, barbaric looking law system. If it was in an Islamic country, then I would say, "ugh let them do whatever they want", but I don't think that the UK is an Islamic country. Lol

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