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Posted 4/3/07

sheighton wrote:


mauz15 wrote:

A perfect omnipotent being cannot be illogical, as simple as that.
God cannot make a triangle of 2 vertices, or a married bachelor, etc, etc, etc..........

Sure they could...You could call a line a triangle and a married man a married bachelor, ect, ect. In a sense anyone could do that, just by changing the meaning of the words...


I said make, as in create, to cause existence.....I never said name or call

Edit: ^ damn >_>
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If God can do anything, can he make a boulder that he himself cannot lift?

In other words, can a being who has infinite power create something that excedes themself?


umm no...
can i just point out that you said that god has infinite power, right? therefore it is impossible for Him to create something that exceeds himself BECAUSE His power is infinite. get it? if the power is inifinite, then nothing surpasses it.
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No because at a certain size a boulder stops being a boulder and turns into a mountain. Assuming this god you speak of is real and made everything then he'd have to be huge. In order to make planets. Therefor the "boulder" would have to be huge bigger than a planet. So that means it would in itself become a planet which means its not a boulder. Saying that means that he wouldn't have to lift a planet cuz it would be in zero G of space. By our human terms this "God" can't make a boulder he himself can't lift.

If that doesn't make sense sorry.


Size has nothing to do with it. Size is merely a perception of reality that we perceive within our limited range of senses within the 4 dimensions that we are restricted to...Think of this situation more along the lines of how Yoda described the Force in Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back ---> It will help...
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It is all about language people....our beautiful limited language.
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i dont think omnipotency [if this is the word im looking for] exists
hmm i cant even pronounce the damn word.

but no i dont think God can create something that excedes his power because God is meant to have no limitations on his power. so if he created something that exceded himself then he cannot be said to have infinite power
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Posted 4/3/07

sheighton wrote:

Size has nothing to do with it. Size is merely a perception of reality that we perceive within our limited range of senses within the 4 dimensions that we are restricted to...Think of this situation more along the lines of how Yoda described the Force in Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back ---> It will help...


Sorry I never liked that one it was boring. Cept for the beggining. how does size have nothing to do with it? One could say after he made a boulder he couldn't lift that it wasnt acctully a boulder but a rock.

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neomanxl wrote:

If God can do anything, can he make a boulder that he himself cannot lift?

In other words, can a being who has infinite power create something that excedes themself?


umm no...
can i just point out that you said that god has infinite power, right? therefore it is impossible for Him to create something that exceeds himself BECAUSE His power is infinite. get it? if the power is inifinite, then nothing surpasses it.


Ah but you can have different degrees of infinity...Oh Infinite Sums, how I hate thee!

Think about it this way, a container of infinite size can contain an infinite number of containers of infinite size...Now how does that work? It works because infinity is a concept and not an actual tangible...
Posted 4/3/07
If god can do anything its making me a pie of small childrens eyes
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Maybe God, can't do everything? Maybe he has ultimate power, but not infinite? He can do some things, he can't do others. Maybe he's vulnerable... maybe... he's able to be defeated *evil grin*. Who wants to take over Heaven? We'll beat that damned Satan to it!
Or we might.. MIGHT join forces.. but just know it's only a MIGHT!

But... I need to keep an eye on you guys... there might be some mutiny among us..
GRRrrrrrr.....

[Edit]: ZOMG... forgot to put one word on the 'not'. It was 'no' lawlz.
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i was just saying that the way it was worded was contradictory.
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Acer2110 wrote:

Sorry I never liked that one it was boring. Cept for the beggining. how does size have nothing to do with it? One could say after he made a boulder he couldn't lift that it wasnt acctully a boulder but a rock.


Well fine if you want to limit what we are talking about to something of a tangible volume then tell me which one weighs more...One cubic meter of Iron or one cubic meter of Uranium? They are both the same size, but I can tell you that one is significantly more massive than the other...Or how about this, [Which is more massive?] one teaspoon of Mercury or one teaspoon of a neutron star's material? And on top of all of that, the original question is not even practical if you think about it...It is a question of f=mv^2 or f=ma if you wish. Now let me ask you all, what is the acceleration? 1g (9.8m/s)? If so, where is this infinitely "heavy" object going to exist? On an Earth size planet? Don't think so...In space? Well maybe, but then that would just mean that it is so massive that it would take an absolutely obscene force to move it...Oh well...
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If there is a god, he/she can't do anything. Our world is proof of that.
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What were you trying to prove with this post?

Did you want to start a religious thread,a philosophic, scientific?

Anyway I´m pretty sure that there are boatloads of threads like this already.

But still, my answer:(purely logic, I´m not religious.)
If something is viewed as omnipotent then it has the appointed power to do anything, thus it can make something more powerful than itself, but if it is omnipotent then it can be the thing at the same time, thus still leaving its omnipotency intact. OR If it already is omnipotent then you cant have omnipotent+x the same way as you cant have 2x0 or well you can, but the result will still be the same, no? Xx0=0
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neomanxl wrote:

But how can you have different degrees of infinity then?


Kinda using L'Hospital's Rule...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'H%C3%B4pital's_rule

That is easier than trying to copy and paste from some site...

If a fraction is found to be in indeterminate form such as 0/0 or infinity over infinity you can apply L'Hospital's Rule and it will [eventually] spit out a number that the limit goes to.

Pretty much if the numerator of a fraction goes to infinity faster than the denominator, the fraction will got to infinity. If the denominator goes to infinity faster than the numerator, the fraction will go to 0.
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n0odle wrote:

If there is a god, he/she can't do anything. Our world is proof of that.


agreed
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