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Posted 9/17/08

Lila_chan wrote:

well I support free speech so I was very amused and I really don't care if you discover the meaning to life or not but it's enlightening...not many I know think that way.


Well that's interesting but how do you personally think people think?
Posted 9/18/08

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nene817 wrote:

You think you've figured out the true meaning of life and nature? Get over yourself man. And it's the "survival of the fittest" for us too. We're really not all that different from other creatures, just on a different plane.


well.. the sad truth is that.

I would like to.

I invite everybody to discuss about this and tell me what they think. If somehow my point of view is wrong. I have absolutely no problem in people correcting me.

I didn't post this to inflate my sense of ego.

I didn't post this to be right.

I post this to have a deeper understanding about my self. About us humans in general. And with all the time i spent thinking.. This is the conclusion that I came up with.


Alright, my bad. The post just sounded arrogant.
Posted 9/18/08
well, that's life right? humans make the most profound subject.
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Posted 9/18/08
Good post although I don't know if many CR users have the attention span to read through the entire post. lol

I personally believe humans, like the majority of the animal kingdom, are driven and manipulated by their genetic drives and influences. People are driven to biologically avoid hunger, fear, death, etc. Ones own survival instincts work for it as well as against it. Before the transcription, technology, and agricultural evolution of humans; these drives were necessities for the survival and well-being of each individual. In modern human era, we are beyond our basic needs for survival; thus, our genetic drive pushes us to seek more in order to achieve a higher level of survival, which would theoretically result in a greater distance from danger/death. With the luxury of time, we are also thinking of topics beyond survival (humanistic thoughts and the birth of emotional self-actualization).

A way to even break it down through physics would that energy and the concept of "work" must have energy going with and against the other. Work is always energy going against another matter of energy; even in a non-physical sense. Energy will always be in motion and work (in any forms such as: wind, thoughts, driving, war, a fight between 2 bugs, the movement of light) as long as homeostasis is not met. Everything in the world struggles to against something in some form or another. It's just that to the human mind, our actions and behavior are "bad" or any other concept of negative feelings humans manifested into ideas and words. If no conflict existed, existence would cease; or existence would transform... I have no idea what would happen. However, I know we can't exist nor can any movement since it would create an uncontrollable series of energy going with/against each other.
Posted 9/18/08
everything is strange........wait how my hand type this??? and this??? how im typing and how I know this??? Why am I stretching my leg???? Im using my hand because my brain told me to??? etc. Yea basically we all are strange. Thats all I got to say.
Posted 9/18/08

tobydiah wrote:

Good post although I don't know if many CR users have the attention span to read through the entire post. lol

I personally believe humans, like the majority of the animal kingdom, are driven and manipulated by their genetic drives and influences. People are driven to biologically avoid hunger, fear, death, etc. Ones own survival instincts work for it as well as against it. Before the transcription, technology, and agricultural evolution of humans; these drives were necessities for the survival and well-being of each individual. In modern human era, we are beyond our basic needs for survival; thus, our genetic drive pushes us to seek more in order to achieve a higher level of survival, which would theoretically result in a greater distance from danger/death. With the luxury of time, we are also thinking of topics beyond survival (humanistic thoughts and the birth of emotional self-actualization).

A way to even break it down through physics would that energy and the concept of "work" must have energy going with and against the other. Work is always energy going against another matter of energy; even in a non-physical sense. Energy will always be in motion and work (in any forms such as: wind, thoughts, driving, war, a fight between 2 bugs, the movement of light) as long as homeostasis is not met. Everything in the world struggles to against something in some form or another. It's just that to the human mind, our actions and behavior are "bad" or any other concept of negative feelings humans manifested into ideas and words. If no conflict existed, existence would cease; or existence would transform... I have no idea what would happen. However, I know we can't exist nor can any movement since it would create an uncontrollable series of energy going with/against each other.


Very nicely put.
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Posted 9/18/08 , edited 9/18/08
man is the amalgam
of the traits that have allowed him to survive this long +
traits left within him from his ancestry...

with the great fears , doubt , and love within his prime evil mind personified X1000 by his intelligence!
Posted 9/18/08 , edited 9/18/08
I took an economics class last spring, and my economics professor told everybody in my class that it is human nature for wanting more. Once we get what we want, we're going to want bigger and better things. As humans, we want more, more, and more. That's just the way things goes. Humans are naturally greedy and are always going to be greedy.
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Posted 9/18/08
I'm sorry to say but this belongs to the extended discussion section...because the topic fits well into the category...
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Posted 9/18/08

tobydiah wrote:

Good post although I don't know if many CR users have the attention span to read through the entire post. lol

I personally believe humans, like the majority of the animal kingdom, are driven and manipulated by their genetic drives and influences. People are driven to biologically avoid hunger, fear, death, etc. Ones own survival instincts work for it as well as against it. Before the transcription, technology, and agricultural evolution of humans; these drives were necessities for the survival and well-being of each individual. In modern human era, we are beyond our basic needs for survival; thus, our genetic drive pushes us to seek more in order to achieve a higher level of survival, which would theoretically result in a greater distance from danger/death. With the luxury of time, we are also thinking of topics beyond survival (humanistic thoughts and the birth of emotional self-actualization).

A way to even break it down through physics would that energy and the concept of "work" must have energy going with and against the other. Work is always energy going against another matter of energy; even in a non-physical sense. Energy will always be in motion and work (in any forms such as: wind, thoughts, driving, war, a fight between 2 bugs, the movement of light) as long as homeostasis is not met. Everything in the world struggles to against something in some form or another. It's just that to the human mind, our actions and behavior are "bad" or any other concept of negative feelings humans manifested into ideas and words. If no conflict existed, existence would cease; or existence would transform... I have no idea what would happen. However, I know we can't exist nor can any movement since it would create an uncontrollable series of energy going with/against each other.


That hits the bull's eye.

Struggle. conflict as a mean of our existance.

It's messed up that that's just what life is all about. We struggle, we put up a fight supposedly to attain some kind of pleasure in life. Sex. Money. Pride. Love. Luxury. Successes. You name it.

And at the end of the day. We get whatever it is that we want (well some - if not the majority of people - don't). And then the pleasure ends there. You reached your destination. Time to get off the train.

After that you realize that it's actually the struggle that you're addicted to. Not the reward.

It's just so... absurd.

Sometimes I think we're all naturally crazy even since birth.
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Posted 9/20/08 , edited 9/20/08

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Lila_chan wrote:

well I support free speech so I was very amused and I really don't care if you discover the meaning to life or not but it's enlightening...not many I know think that way.


Well that's interesting but how do you personally think people think?


Look, I don't know what the majority of "people" in the world think alright. I haven't met the whole world yet. I can only draw on my personal experience with the close people that I know. So stop you're smart ass comments. don't pick fights with people who you don't even know. Better yet, why the hell are you in this topic discussion if you have no interest in it? I was enlightened. opinion hello. That was what the topic starter was asking about, not your I-want-to-be-so-smart rude comments.
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Posted 9/20/08
in the bible it says don't chase after the world. Even if you aren't a christian you can see that this makes sense.
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Human nature is based on greed...but the way people try to control is what makes people different from each other. Some people just let it loose and some people try to control it. From there, it'll branch out more and more to what makes up all the people in the world
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Human nature is based on greed...but the way people try to control is what makes people different from each other. Some people just let it loose and some people try to control it. From there, it'll branch out more and more to what makes up all the people in the world


Human nature is not based on greed, it is based on self-interest, which is very different. Greed means you want what is best for you or that you want to have many things, physical or emotional. Self interest means you think about satisfying your needs and wants above someone else's; however, it might not be about what is best for you. For example, a mother might feed her infant child but not herself; this is not greed since she is not taking the food for herself, but it is self interested since she is more interested in saving her infant's life than her own. Similarly, someone might devote their life to help the poor because it is what satisfies them the most; again, this is self interest, not greed.

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MCMXCI wrote:


BlargTheCat wrote:

Human nature is based on greed...but the way people try to control is what makes people different from each other. Some people just let it loose and some people try to control it. From there, it'll branch out more and more to what makes up all the people in the world


Human nature is not based on greed, it is based on self-interest, which is very different. Greed means you want what is best for you or that you want to have many things, physical or emotional. Self interest means you think about satisfying your needs and wants above someone else's; however, it might not be about what is best for you. For example, a mother might feed her infant child but not herself; this is not greed since she is not taking the food for herself, but it is self interested since she is more interested in saving her infant's life than her own. Similarly, someone might devote their life to help the poor because it is what satisfies them the most; again, this is self interest, not greed.

~MCMXCI


Self interest is personal interest or advantage...basically, a smaller and more detail group part of greed. If you don't trust that definition, search up any written dictionary. Plus, greed doesn't have to be for only that person. Like the mother you used in your example. She has the greed to make sure that her child to survive.
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