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Boy sentenced for manslaughter for self defense against bully
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I was watching Oprah the other day and an interesting topic came on. Apparently two kids got into a fight, and the smaller one (in supposed self defense) grabbed a bat and smacked the bigger one across the head. Obviously he didn’t intend to kill the other dude, but he did. Sad truth. Don’t really pity the kid. (If anyone is wondering, this is why I run from fights rather than taking a beating fair and square or drawing a weapon. )

Well, the dead one apparently had a name for being a bully. One of those kinds who think their being funny when the push and punch around other kids, but freak out if somebody get irritated and shoves back. In short he was a spoiled bully, as far as I see. This was according to his peers, classmates and the likes. His parents say that he was just a class clown, a goof. Personally I think their diluted, though I would never have the heart to say so to their face. (You’d have to be cold to tell a mourning mother that her dead son was a thug.)

The little guy had apparently never been in a fight, never gotten into much trouble, and claimed that the bigger guy was harassing him. (Note, this are middle school children. It’s not rare for a middle school kid to pull a stunt like pulling out a bat in his first fight.) Reports say the kid broke down crying when he realize the amount of damage he struck upon the bully. (In my opinion he was a bully, though some have debated differently.)

So, the survivor was taken to court. Personally I think he didn’t mean to do anything but defend himself. Still, he was tried for manslaughter. As if he had gone out and killed the bully in cold blood. I was appalled! This kid is going to be mentally scarred for life! He was only trying to defend himself from a thug! I’d have acted the same way if I couldn’t run! He didn’t intend to do anymore than to get the big guy off of him. Witnesses to the tragedy all say that he was shocked at the effects of his blow, that he broke down after the strike, and didn’t go into any further assault. Still, he’s a cold blooded murderer!

Should someone be sentenced so harshly for being a coward? Surely, he -should- have fought fair if at all, but I mean this puny child had no chance of winning. He knew it. Personally I think the thug deserved a good wack with something blunt and heavy, (though not to die.) and the kid who hit him should be sent to a shrink or something. Not imprisoned, not even punished! Accidents happen, even if they are this severe, it was in my opinion an unfortunate mistake. The bully brought it on himself, if anyone is to be blamed for his death it is the assailant! That’s my opinion.

What do you all think?
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WTF man...its fricken self defence and an accident, where i live, if someone gets into ur properts or assaults you, u have the right to shoot their ass, that lie stopped alot of crimes too
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I think perhaps the kid was hasty. Rarely is a hit to the head actually required. If, as you say, his bully was a bit spoilt and more of a thug, then, as soon as he saw the bat, he should have backed off. Why did the kid have to hit him? Surely the threat of being hit with a bat would have been enough to stop him? And why did the kid hit him over the head, why not the arm or the gut? Hell, why was he even carrying a bat? Something seems odd here.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

So, the survivor was taken to court. Personally I think he didn’t mean to do anything but defend himself. Still, he was tried for manslaughter. As if he had gone out and killed the bully in cold blood. I was appalled! This kid is going to be mentally scarred for life! He was only trying to defend himself from a thug! I’d have acted the same way if I couldn’t run! He didn’t intend to do anymore than to get the big guy off of him. Witnesses to the tragedy all say that he was shocked at the effects of his blow, that he broke down after the strike, and didn’t go into any further assault. Still, he’s a cold blooded murderer!

What do you all think?


Are you aware of what manslaughter means? In fact, it's just the opposite of "cold blooded murder". That means he isn't being tried as a cold blooded killer.

read up on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

As far as the kid, it's unfortunate he killed someone, but we are all responsible for our own actions.
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You're saying it wasn't fair the kid used a bat and that he's a coward for using one? LOL
If you ever been in a fight, you should know that nothing is fair and there are no rules in a real fight.

The only fights with rules are sporting competitions.

Its said that guy died tho. And it must've been a pretty hard hit too. I can't put my feet in those kids shoes either, having never seen bullying or being in either side of one.

EDIT: I thought self-defense cancels out manslaughter. And there were lots of witness saying it was self-defense? That bully was prolly rich *wink* wink*

EDIT2:
* Provocation. This is a killing caused by an event or situation which would probably cause a reasonable person to lose self-control and kill.

* Heat of Passion. In this situation, the actions of another cause the defendant to act in the heat of the moment and without reflection. This falls under the provocation heading.

I see. Nvm.
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well in this country, the law is that in an extreme situation, ANYTHING within reason goes. if you are about to get the shit kicked out of you, get out of there if you can. even if it means using a bat. it's not murder. if he's in middle school (i don't actually know the american school system) then he can't really be accused of murder. he panicked and did something stupid. it's NATURAL! i'd be terrified if someone tried to beat me up! and it's likely that i would have done something similar. the adrenaline in your blood is what controls your body in this type of situation, not the brain. adrenaline holds the 'fright, flight or fight' reaction, regardless of what the rational side of your brain wants to do. the adrenaline made him defend himself. that's not a crime.
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If you ever been in a fight, you should know that nothing is fair and there are no rules in a real fight.

...That's childish. Anyway, forgive my ignorance, Azrael. It seem that was the wrong term, but I've not studied legal terminology or jargon so... I’ll watch that in the future, thanks for pointing it out to me.

I agree with you, Neo. It’s ridiculous! Anyway, what ever happened to the so called, “Right to bare arms?” Just because the kid was adolescent does that mean that he looses his right as an American citizen to defend himself with weaponry?

Edit: Insane, He was a 6th grader. About 11 years old. The other kid was an 8th grader. I think. Well, that’s about 13 years old. But, a thirteen year old child who is unarmed can only do so much damage, so this isn’t an -extreme- case. It was one kid not wanting to get a bloody nose.

Also, I’m a pansy. I’ve always been a pansy. But when I panic I don’t start swinging deadly weapons! I bolt! Run away, you know? The few fights I have been in have ended badly, but I never grabbed a bat. Adrenaline is not an excuse, nor is it the reason the kid swung the bat. Cowardice is ultimately, in my opinion, the reason why this all happened.

Still, I do agree with a lot of what your countries law system is like. I also do not think that somebody should be so severely punished for being a chicken. What a lot of people who call themselves “brave” fail to realize is that they can afford to be brave. They can fight, they can fend for themselves decently.. This kid was just a little momma’s boy. An innocent child who’s life was ruined by a bully.
Forgive me if I am being contradictory, this all makes better sense in my head.

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If its childish to have no rules in a fight, then tell me the rules of a fight.
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NVM, Noodle. You’re right.
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Actually there is one rule for fights. Its only for guys and you don't even need to mention it, its unwritten and universal.

No shots to the groin.

I rather take a smack to the head with a bat then getting kicked in the balls. Its a pain that women will never understand.
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i dont think the kid meant it.
i mean if someone older and bigger than you suddenly attacked, obviously the sane thing to do would be either to run, or fight back. the kid was being bullied.. =_=.. yeah he accidentally killed, yeah its wrong, but is it really his fault for defending himself?

anyway.. i dont know what should be done to the kid
i guess it depends how old he is +S
Posted 4/3/07
the bully was asking for trouble, and he got it
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Well one thing the kid could of done was not hit him in the head with the bat. If you were going to use a bat in a fight than hit the legs or something. Maybe subconciously he wanted to kill him, but he wouldn't of known this so he shouldn't be tryed for murder.
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Self defense eh? Well even in self defense you can't kill someone. As azrael910 said do you know what manslaughter is? There is a difference between manslaughter and murder. I don't understand whats so appauling about this. Sentenced harshly? What was he sentenced to? You never said. You think he should not be punished? He should definatly be punished he took a life. Should a drunk driver not be punished because he didn't mean to do it? I know what you'll say its not the same thing but yes it is. Another thing where did this bat come from? If you should be mad at anything it should be at the witnesses for allowing it to go that far.
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Its a pain that women will never understand
....Dude, groinshots suck, but chicks go through child birth... The very concept of that makes me cringe..

They were at a baseball game. Hints the bat. I don't think comparing a drunk driver killing somebody to this is 100% fair. After all, the drunk driver got intoxicated knowing the risks. The drunk driver made a bad choice that resulted in somebodies death prehand, before the situation. This kid was a victim of circumstance. My opinion...

Now it slips my mind the exact number, but he'll be a grown man before he gets out of prison. In short, he's scrued for life.
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