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Boy sentenced for manslaughter for self defense against bully
Posted 4/4/07
I will always choose mercy over justice in real life. Also, I hate the judicial system. Read Kafka's "The Trial" and you'll know where I'm coming from.
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Acer2110 wrote:

So basically your all saying killing someone is A-ok? As long as your smaller then the other person its allright to grab any sort of weapon and proceed to stab/shoot/hit the person? The courts are already to lenient on young offenders.

The whole self defense thing it doesn't fly with me. In the United States, the defense of self-defense allows a person attacked to use reasonable force in their own defense and the defense of others. REASONABLE force not DEADLY force there is a huge difference.


I do not think u get what im saying....i am not condoning killing or what the boy did but as he is still young it is understandable that he probably did not know the consequences of using the bat as a form of self-defense. and also the boy who died did provoke the other boy from using the bat by bullying and/or taunting. if u look at it in the point of view of children...sumtyms they only copy what they see on television without thought that what they were doing is wrong or right.
Going off-topic here: there are a lot of shows on TV that kids watch where people use bats and everything else as a self-defense tool. or for attacking each other for that matter...
the only crime here is that people around them at the time that the bullying happened didnt stop it from happeneing.
Posted 4/4/07

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I was watching Oprah the other day and an interesting topic came on. Apparently two kids got into a fight, and the smaller one (in supposed self defense) grabbed a bat and smacked the bigger one across the head. Obviously he didn’t intend to kill the other dude, but he did. Sad truth. Don’t really pity the kid. (If anyone is wondering, this is why I run from fights rather than taking a beating fair and square or drawing a weapon. )

Well, the dead one apparently had a name for being a bully. One of those kinds who think their being funny when the push and punch around other kids, but freak out if somebody get irritated and shoves back. In short he was a spoiled bully, as far as I see. This was according to his peers, classmates and the likes. His parents say that he was just a class clown, a goof. Personally I think their diluted, though I would never have the heart to say so to their face. (You’d have to be cold to tell a mourning mother that her dead son was a thug.)

The little guy had apparently never been in a fight, never gotten into much trouble, and claimed that the bigger guy was harassing him. (Note, this are middle school children. It’s not rare for a middle school kid to pull a stunt like pulling out a bat in his first fight.) Reports say the kid broke down crying when he realize the amount of damage he struck upon the bully. (In my opinion he was a bully, though some have debated differently.)

So, the survivor was taken to court. Personally I think he didn’t mean to do anything but defend himself. Still, he was tried for manslaughter. As if he had gone out and killed the bully in cold blood. I was appalled! This kid is going to be mentally scarred for life! He was only trying to defend himself from a thug! I’d have acted the same way if I couldn’t run! He didn’t intend to do anymore than to get the big guy off of him. Witnesses to the tragedy all say that he was shocked at the effects of his blow, that he broke down after the strike, and didn’t go into any further assault. Still, he’s a cold blooded murderer!

Should someone be sentenced so harshly for being a coward? Surely, he -should- have fought fair if at all, but I mean this puny child had no chance of winning. He knew it. Personally I think the thug deserved a good wack with something blunt and heavy, (though not to die.) and the kid who hit him should be sent to a shrink or something. Not imprisoned, not even punished! Accidents happen, even if they are this severe, it was in my opinion an unfortunate mistake. The bully brought it on himself, if anyone is to be blamed for his death it is the assailant! That’s my opinion.

What do you all think?

well personally im one cold son of a bitch and id have no problem with telling his mom what her son really was. second the kid was in his first fight and didnt know how(his father should have taught him how) so he did the only thing he could think of. if he broke down after that i think he really only meant to teach that kid a lesson not to kill him.he is not a cold blooded murderer and is not a coward.anyone who fight back against a bully and a known bully at that is very brave. yes it could have been handled differently on the bat but dont throw him in jail. and ya he knew he couldnt have won but he should have known bullies will back off if you fight back win or lose

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Posted 4/4/07
hmm, he was 11, at 8 I would have killed the bully the FIRST time he hit me to send a message, this is what happens if you fuck with abel, but I was a violent phycopath as a child, though I've grown out of that, I can still bring the physcopath back when needed for self defense

But, I don't think this kid was a finely tuned killing machine like I was when I was 11(from race war training, don't ask), I think he truly killed the guy by accident, simply because, I would never use a bat to kill someone, for many pratical reasons, one being blunt force trauma is never a sure death method

My younger sisters and I carried bats all the time walking down our dangerous streets, but we never, ever intended to kill with them,(that was what my knife was for), we simply used them to buy time for a clean getaway, and this kid only hit the other ONCE, meaning he most likely wanted to do the same

This kid could have really used good martial arts training, that way he could learn how to defend himself without a weapon, as well as learn restraint
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Posted 4/6/07

and ya he knew he couldnt have won but he should have known bullies will back off if you fight back win or lose


....LOL! In my exp that only happens in movies dude. If you fight back against a bully round here, and loose, he kicks the snot out of you while your down to teach you a lesson. If you win, he gets two dozen friends and they kick the snot out of you...

Abel... Srry man, but as far as I can see your post is a chimera. Just my opinion, but that's all a bit fantastic from this point of view.
Posted 7/22/09 , edited 7/22/09
Well, it really is manslaughter though. Albeit I can say that he probably didn't expect that the consequences would be blown out of proportion like this; death. In defence or affect he drew a weapon and did an unpredictable damage. It could be that in affect it really didn't struck his mind that hitting someone's head with a bat might eventually bring death upon the opponent. Sadly, in most cases, people act before they think. Regarding that he was just a middle schooler and his intentions and actions were quite clearly not malicious nor controlled so his sentence should be of rather mild form.
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Posted 7/22/09
It was just self-defense.
And personally, I WOULD tell a mourning mother that her dead son was a thug.
I'm that straight forward. lol
Posted 7/22/09 , edited 7/22/09
He shouldn`t have hit the bully in the head . He should`ve hit the stomach then run for his life .
His sentence shouldn`t be as harsh though . After all , it was self-defense and accidental .
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Posted 7/22/09
Just because he's on trial for manslaughter, doesn't mean he's going to be put in jail. He'll be in juvenile hall or in a youth correction facility. They're not going to put him with the big boys. He's going to be put where he'll be monitored and can reach psychiatric help.

Right or wrong, someone died. They're all going to have to deal with that for the rest of their lives. Blaming one another isn't going to make what's been done go away.
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Posted 7/22/09 , edited 7/22/09
Another story like this happened in reverse.

http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2009/06/13/news/doc4a33475a3cc61062732157.txt

The kid was defending a girl and the bully stabbed him. The odd part was like the bully was all like, "I'm gonna stab you!." and the kid didn't take it seriously so brushed it off. Sad thing is the kid was just chilling in Juvie when the whole stabbing was premeditated. While this kid was just defending himself.

I don't know how I feel about the comment was if you were in your first fight you wouldn't go for a bat. Fights are scary, especially when the person is bigger then you. I have been in a couple fights with men attackers who are larger then me. You just want to do anything to get them off and make them go away. It is horrifying. If he was smaller and the kid was scary, I could see the heat of the moment and fear getting to him enough to act rashly.

I thought kids were mean when I was in middle school. I was just made fun, not stabbed. Damn.
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Posted 7/22/09
The kid was shocked an being harassed he couldn'tprobably run away.
What can he do about he didn't want to kill the boy . he just wanted to defend himself.
he's only eleven and being sentenced like this. bullies 1 justice-0 this is shit.
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Posted 7/22/09
Well, this is a manslaughter isn't it? Let him serve a few years, and become all man.
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Posted 7/22/09
Isn't there some special law for such circumstances? Poor kid... well... kids.
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Posted 7/22/09
the kid should of bring a gun to school and shoot everybody that will give them a good reason to put him into jail
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Posted 7/22/09
all i can say is never judge a kid by his size....
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