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Boy sentenced for manslaughter for self defense against bully
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Posted 7/22/09
even in self defense, manslaughter is manslaughter.
but no worryz, he'll only do 6 months - thats nuthin...
Posted 7/22/09
Even when the little man wins, he still loses.

Sometimes, the world really pisses me off.
Posted 7/22/09
The kid lost it.
but it is still criminal homicide, unless the bully was attacking him with a weapon too.
Well let him serve a few years.
Posted 7/30/09
Posted 7/30/09
at least he has an arm, his mom should send him to the majors
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Posted 7/30/09
He's just a kid. His little mind was in a panicky state that he just went berserk. I dont think his mind could've handled the situation easily, so he went with his natural instinct.
Posted 7/30/09
Wow, poor kid.
Posted 7/30/09
I really feel bad for kid, he was doing it for self defense. That's just sad.
Posted 7/31/09
In my opinion. It was the bullies fault, he deserved it. I don't feel one bit sorry for that bully.
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Posted 7/31/09
They both should die.

The bully should die because he's a fucking idiot.

The so-called "survivor" should die because he's also an idiot for not thinking "Hmmm, maybe slugging this guy with a baseball bat isn't a good idea". He deserves what he got; he hit someone with a bat.
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Posted 8/10/09 , edited 8/10/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

I was watching Oprah the other day and an interesting topic came on. Apparently two kids got into a fight, and the smaller one (in supposed self defense) grabbed a bat and smacked the bigger one across the head. Obviously he didn’t intend to kill the other dude, but he did. Sad truth. Don’t really pity the kid. (If anyone is wondering, this is why I run from fights rather than taking a beating fair and square or drawing a weapon. )

Well, the dead one apparently had a name for being a bully. One of those kinds who think their being funny when the push and punch around other kids, but freak out if somebody get irritated and shoves back. In short he was a spoiled bully, as far as I see. This was according to his peers, classmates and the likes. His parents say that he was just a class clown, a goof. Personally I think their diluted, though I would never have the heart to say so to their face. (You’d have to be cold to tell a mourning mother that her dead son was a thug.)

The little guy had apparently never been in a fight, never gotten into much trouble, and claimed that the bigger guy was harassing him. (Note, this are middle school children. It’s not rare for a middle school kid to pull a stunt like pulling out a bat in his first fight.) Reports say the kid broke down crying when he realize the amount of damage he struck upon the bully. (In my opinion he was a bully, though some have debated differently.)

So, the survivor was taken to court. Personally I think he didn’t mean to do anything but defend himself. Still, he was tried for manslaughter. As if he had gone out and killed the bully in cold blood. I was appalled! This kid is going to be mentally scarred for life! He was only trying to defend himself from a thug! I’d have acted the same way if I couldn’t run! He didn’t intend to do anymore than to get the big guy off of him. Witnesses to the tragedy all say that he was shocked at the effects of his blow, that he broke down after the strike, and didn’t go into any further assault. Still, he’s a cold blooded murderer!

Should someone be sentenced so harshly for being a coward? Surely, he -should- have fought fair if at all, but I mean this puny child had no chance of winning. He knew it. Personally I think the thug deserved a good wack with something blunt and heavy, (though not to die.) and the kid who hit him should be sent to a shrink or something. Not imprisoned, not even punished! Accidents happen, even if they are this severe, it was in my opinion an unfortunate mistake. The bully brought it on himself, if anyone is to be blamed for his death it is the assailant! That’s my opinion.

What do you all think?

I agree, it was self defense.
Posted 8/10/09
wasnt that self defence? poor guy
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Posted 8/10/09
Personally i think its pretty sad what the Little kid is going through no kid should have to go through the justice system at such a young age. But what i really don't get is that how the kid killed the bully the bully must have weak ass skin i've taken a few blows to the head with a skateboard and im still alive i've seen many people endure tons of hit's to the head and still live. The bully must either have weak skin or bones or the little kid must have been seriously strong for someone his age. I think that's why they tried the kid for manslaughter though because he must have hit him repeatedly in order to kill him. but i still dont think its right to punish the victim.
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Posted 9/29/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

I was watching Oprah the other day and an interesting topic came on. Apparently two kids got into a fight, and the smaller one (in supposed self defense) grabbed a bat and smacked the bigger one across the head. Obviously he didn’t intend to kill the other dude, but he did. Sad truth. Don’t really pity the kid. (If anyone is wondering, this is why I run from fights rather than taking a beating fair and square or drawing a weapon. )

Well, the dead one apparently had a name for being a bully. One of those kinds who think their being funny when the push and punch around other kids, but freak out if somebody get irritated and shoves back. In short he was a spoiled bully, as far as I see. This was according to his peers, classmates and the likes. His parents say that he was just a class clown, a goof. Personally I think their diluted, though I would never have the heart to say so to their face. (You’d have to be cold to tell a mourning mother that her dead son was a thug.)

The little guy had apparently never been in a fight, never gotten into much trouble, and claimed that the bigger guy was harassing him. (Note, this are middle school children. It’s not rare for a middle school kid to pull a stunt like pulling out a bat in his first fight.) Reports say the kid broke down crying when he realize the amount of damage he struck upon the bully. (In my opinion he was a bully, though some have debated differently.)

So, the survivor was taken to court. Personally I think he didn’t mean to do anything but defend himself. Still, he was tried for manslaughter. As if he had gone out and killed the bully in cold blood. I was appalled! This kid is going to be mentally scarred for life! He was only trying to defend himself from a thug! I’d have acted the same way if I couldn’t run! He didn’t intend to do anymore than to get the big guy off of him. Witnesses to the tragedy all say that he was shocked at the effects of his blow, that he broke down after the strike, and didn’t go into any further assault. Still, he’s a cold blooded murderer!

Should someone be sentenced so harshly for being a coward? Surely, he -should- have fought fair if at all, but I mean this puny child had no chance of winning. He knew it. Personally I think the thug deserved a good wack with something blunt and heavy, (though not to die.) and the kid who hit him should be sent to a shrink or something. Not imprisoned, not even punished! Accidents happen, even if they are this severe, it was in my opinion an unfortunate mistake. The bully brought it on himself, if anyone is to be blamed for his death it is the assailant! That’s my opinion.

What do you all think?


1st off let me state by saying im a strong avocate for self defense/ fighting/ and guns. i love do to all 3, i believe we should have the right to kill in our self defense, and we do.

But every one defines self defense differently.I hate how the USA government defines it, its such an abstract definition which leads to tragedies like this.It also leads to the dilution of combative martial arts, with techniques we are and are not allowed to do in public.

BUT in this case, i agree with the government, though what happened is not the boy's complete fault. I believe that using a weapon on an unarmed opponent is unhonrable unless its between a man and a woman (lets face it, American culture raises physcally and mentally weak woman generaly). The boy is a victim of his culture, because we teach impracticle ways to handle bullies, fighting is the best way to keep a bully off of you for long terms. Telling teachers and adults will not work in the heat of the moment, not with all of the adrenaline and anger rushing. (trust me, i have been bullied all of my early school years).

When you learn how to fight with honor, you keep fights as fair as your opponent will keep them.If the opponent draws a knive, you draw a gun. If the opponent is unarmed, you fight unarmed. i dont care how big or small you are.

Surely, he -should- have fought fair if at all, but I mean this puny child had no chance of winning

if this is the case, he should have ran. But for future refrence, it's always better for smaller, weaker people (women and small guys) to take some form of self defense/ combative martial art if they are bullied all of the time. They also need to take a few criminal justice courses to understand how force law works and a little phychology to understand the "criminal mind". This info can keep tragedies like this from happening. And it increases chances for winning. I dont care if a dude is 300 pounds of pure muscle, u attack in the right place, he goes down.( big guys r also generally slower)

for instance, the kid could have swung the bat at the dude's knee. With 15 pounds of pressure, the knee comes off. its dishonorable, but it will keep him from being a murderer. or the kid could have fought, and whether he wins or lose, the bully will learn his place and pick on an "easier target". But it takes some prior knowledge of bullies and training to be able to think like this. (training also includes experience in fighting).

over all the little guy is a murderer in my opinion. he may be an accidental one, but i dont judge he didnt have a clear mind when he engaged in combat, and that leads to poor judgement.its not completly his fault. Head trama kills, to bad that isnt common sense.
Also, did the "bully" ever put his hands on the little guy? i remember this story, and i dont recall the bully ever initiating in a physical fight...either way it's a just call for the government ( a rare just call) . peace over war
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Posted 9/29/09
Even if it was self-defense, it is still considered manslaughter.
But I doubt he'll get any serious punishment...
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