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Boy sentenced for manslaughter for self defense against bully
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Posted 9/29/09

n0odle wrote:

Actually there is one rule for fights. Its only for guys and you don't even need to mention it, its unwritten and universal.

No shots to the groin.

I rather take a smack to the head with a bat then getting kicked in the balls. Its a pain that women will never understand.


no, u had it right the 1st time, there r no rules. Most entire wushu styles are based off of kicks to the groins, eye gouges, and throat shots. SO there r no rules in a right. As a matter of fact, a recommend groin shots for the little guys, it brings the big guys dont to thier level so they can finish them off with a punch to the throat and crush the wind pipe, therfore killing the bully. peace over war
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Self defense eh? Well even in self defense you can't kill someone. As azrael910 said do you know what manslaughter is? There is a difference between manslaughter and murder. I don't understand whats so appauling about this. Sentenced harshly? What was he sentenced to? You never said. You think he should not be punished? He should definatly be punished he took a life. Should a drunk driver not be punished because he didn't mean to do it? I know what you'll say its not the same thing but yes it is. Another thing where did this bat come from? If you should be mad at anything it should be at the witnesses for allowing it to go that far.


In the USA, u can legally kill in self defense, but this boy didnt use self defnese. Attacking an unarmed man with a weapon isnt self defense, its called murder. Criminals do it all the time.

now if it was the other way around, then it would be self defense, if the bully killed the kid with the bat. becasue i can reasonably argue bats kill people, so i was in fear of my life and killed the guy. peace over war
Posted 9/29/09
No one said he's a murderer, it's manslaughter which is completely different.

But still, the 11year old child would 90% of the time not know anything about law and self defense principals. >.> Reasonable force is required, excessive force and you're fucked. especailly if you could have ran away. Then again, it was pussy of him to use a bat just becos he's bigger. i mean cmon, a fucking BAT.
Posted 9/29/09
The boy is just being harassed, and what he did he do? Beat a kid with a bat. I'm guessing the bully is a young kid too? When I was a kid I was being harassed many time. They stop harassing in 4th grade, and I became friends/acquaintances with them. Lol We just got through with bullying because its old and we mature a little bit.

Its possible that the boy know nothing about laws, the consequences, and how a bat can show great amounts of damage. Hope he learned from community services.
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Acer2110 wrote:

Self defense eh? Well even in self defense you can't kill someone. As azrael910 said do you know what manslaughter is? There is a difference between manslaughter and murder. I don't understand whats so appauling about this. Sentenced harshly? What was he sentenced to? You never said. You think he should not be punished? He should definatly be punished he took a life. Should a drunk driver not be punished because he didn't mean to do it? I know what you'll say its not the same thing but yes it is. Another thing where did this bat come from? If you should be mad at anything it should be at the witnesses for allowing it to go that far.


In the USA, u can legally kill in self defense, but this boy didnt use self defnese. Attacking an unarmed man with a weapon isnt self defense, its called murder. Criminals do it all the time.

now if it was the other way around, then it would be self defense, if the bully killed the kid with the bat. becasue i can reasonably argue bats kill people, so i was in fear of my life and killed the guy. peace over war



i love it every time you post something about fighting haha

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At the same time, it's going to be quite nice not having that bully, fuck around with the minds of others.......
If it means sacrificing the innocence of one person to make sure that others are ensured safety from another then I would gladly make and enforce that.........


Somehow I have this odd inclination to believe that if -you- were that innocent person you would have an entirely different view on this subject! It's easy to say "Sacrifice is necessary hen you are not making the sacrifices!


Only Canadians say such stupid things, really now..........
My aunt is a Canadian citizens and she could crush anyone here with intellect. Her IQ not only rivals but dwarfs Bill Gates'. Correct me if I’m wrong but that seemed to me to be a very spiteful and ignorant thing to say. Please refrain from making a racial battle out of this thread. Prejudice is absolute umbrage for me!


I am taught not to run from fights. Verbal/physical/Emotional
Well, I was given the same raising. But, I still run. Anyway, if you were taught to go around and murder every virgin girl you see would that make it right? Not to say your wrong, but I must ask what the point in taking a beating in this situation would have been? To make a point? Well... What point would that have made? The bully would've just gone on with the macho feeling that he is rugged because he could kick the snot out of somebody smaller than him. Of course he would get the same sensation from having the kid run, but at the same time the kid would escape a beating...

I run from fights all the time. I believe that, unless you are protecting someone or something, fights are stupid ego clashes. I blame men who aim to injure for insult for the bad name that men have gained around her.

Running is, almost always, the best choice. That's my opinion of course.

Recomended reading on topic: The Wounded Spirit, Frank Peretti.

This man, (Frank) and I agree with Kankokujin. People say being bullied is part of growing up. Once upon a time, sure, but now things are not quite the same. Being bullied by a kid your age who is slightly bigger is one thing. Being attacked by somebody who is 13 when you just hit puberty is another! As for me, I'm bullied all the time. Usually by large groups of kids. (By the way, would you stand and fight in such a situation Noodle?) Nobody does anything. These jocks make the school a football team, so they can do whatever they want!



Running is, almost always, the best choice. That's my opinion of course.

but what if u cant run fast enough? or u have no where to go? this is the reality for victims of bullies. These bullies go to the same school and often live in the same nieghborhood. Are you going to move or change schools everytime u or your child gets bullied? Not unless your filthy rich.
Back in the 1950s, it was expected for little guys to stand up and kick a bully's ass, reguardless of size. Even if u lose the fight, the bully will pick an easier target.and if not, the more u fight, the better u get at it. At some point in time you will surpass or at least get equal to the bully, then at that point, the bullying stops. It worked for me. Even hard boiled criminals dont want to mess with an armed victim.

This man, (Frank) and I agree with Kankokujin. People say being bullied is part of growing up. Once upon a time, sure, but now things are not quite the same. Being bullied by a kid your age who is slightly bigger is one thing. Being attacked by somebody who is 13 when you just hit puberty is another! As for me, I'm bullied all the time. Usually by large groups of kids. (By the way, would you stand and fight in such a situation Noodle?) Nobody does anything. These jocks make the school a football team, so they can do whatever they want!

depends on how severe the bullying is. and if nobody does anything, then hell yes, im fighting. im going for nuts, eyes, throat, and using what ever weapons i can find, from sticks to pencils. If i go to jail for murder, then so be it, ill be just a victim of the system.weapons even out the playing field in a 1 vs 20 match.

Btw, in reality, if u break or knock out a few of the guys (like 3 or 4), the rest will back off. Random groups of people dont cordinate thier attacks like they do in the movies, they arnt ninjas.
trust me, i have had serveral police officers and special forces guys end up in similiar situations. Dont let them get yur back, Send just a few to the emergency room, and the others will go home without ever messing with you again.
When your in court. get a good lawyer, cry a lot, and keep saying you were afriad they were going to kill u. peace over war
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and ya he knew he couldnt have won but he should have known bullies will back off if you fight back win or lose


....LOL! In my exp that only happens in movies dude. If you fight back against a bully round here, and loose, he kicks the snot out of you while your down to teach you a lesson. If you win, he gets two dozen friends and they kick the snot out of you...

Abel... Srry man, but as far as I can see your post is a chimera. Just my opinion, but that's all a bit fantastic from this point of view.


hey. if u lose and survive, fight him again, the more experience you get as a fighter, the better u will be.

if he comes back with 2 dozen friends, bring a knive or gun or a police officer to even out the score. all you need to do is have self disicple, self respect, confindence,perserverence, dont SHOW any fear, mean what u say and say what you mean. enjoy fighting.

be proud when a bully needs 24 people to bully you, you have actually upgraded to a serious threat. at some point, he is going to choose another victim or die, or maybe u die, either way u wont be bullied any more.

you would be surprised how having confidence in your ability will win u fights alone. the bully will see this confidence and back off. criminals and bullys choose thier victims, and it's not by a random process. They choose them carefully.

and as i have said b4, knock at least 3 or 4 of those dozen out of commission, and the rest will back off. Show confidence, roar, threaten, be crazy. People dont like attacking crazy people, people r scared of crazy people. Give them the crazy ticking eye. Roar, and stomp on the ground. Make your self SEEM strong and vicious. It will fool them. trusts me, the bullies will back off. Hit them in the nuts, take a pencil and stab thier eyes outs, just grab thier throats and squeeze. At some point in time the bully is going to freak out and leave u alone.

Bullying is based off of THIER insercurities, weakness, lack of confidence, and often times fighting ability (which is why they pick on weak victims). use these insercurities against them, they r not invincible. they bleed and break like the rest of us. peace over war
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I would have hit the bully in the stomach to hurt him. I wouldn't have smacked him on the head
Posted 9/30/09
Bullies must be crushed like a bug from the start, if anyone gives you trouble, end it as soon as it starts, once they think your an easy target, your stuffed. I don't care how, just end it. Put them in their place, at the bottom with your foot on top of them baring down
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