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Posted 9/18/08

vajmichael wrote:

The only way this whole entire world could even be united is that we have the same or similar mind set and similar interest. I think the U.S. military and other military figures came up with an idea to unite everyone in the whole world. At the rate wars were being waged, we were basically going to wipe each other out. So they hatched the plan of an alien invasion. Common enemy and common interest. This way, everyone on earth would have something in common and unite under a single banner.

Having a religious figure who could pull of miracles out of his ass is another one. Kind of like a global messiah figure.

Another way is to centralize money to the rich elitist families. They would rule the world together and have everyone below them as peasants. This is the most realistic so far.


The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.

Even if a global messiah exist, there will still be doubters. There is ALWAYS doubters.

This is extremely impossible. Go read Communism Manifisto.
Posted 9/18/08

dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:

The only way this whole entire world could even be united is that we have the same or similar mind set and similar interest. I think the U.S. military and other military figures came up with an idea to unite everyone in the whole world. At the rate wars were being waged, we were basically going to wipe each other out. So they hatched the plan of an alien invasion. Common enemy and common interest. This way, everyone on earth would have something in common and unite under a single banner.

Having a religious figure who could pull of miracles out of his ass is another one. Kind of like a global messiah figure.

Another way is to centralize money to the rich elitist families. They would rule the world together and have everyone below them as peasants. This is the most realistic so far.


The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.

Even if a global messiah exist, there will still be doubters. There is ALWAYS doubters.

This is extremely impossible. Go read Communism Manifisto.


There will be doubters true enough but that global messiah has to be an extremely great figure. Take that Sun guy from Korea and other figures who declared themselves as someone great. They have a great numbers of followers.

Communism Manifesto? Don't know if I have time to study that in depth.
Posted 9/18/08

vajmichael wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:

The only way this whole entire world could even be united is that we have the same or similar mind set and similar interest. I think the U.S. military and other military figures came up with an idea to unite everyone in the whole world. At the rate wars were being waged, we were basically going to wipe each other out. So they hatched the plan of an alien invasion. Common enemy and common interest. This way, everyone on earth would have something in common and unite under a single banner.

Having a religious figure who could pull of miracles out of his ass is another one. Kind of like a global messiah figure.

Another way is to centralize money to the rich elitist families. They would rule the world together and have everyone below them as peasants. This is the most realistic so far.


The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.

Even if a global messiah exist, there will still be doubters. There is ALWAYS doubters.

This is extremely impossible. Go read Communism Manifisto.


There will be doubters true enough but that global messiah has to be an extremely great figure. Take that Sun guy from Korea and other figures who declared themselves as someone great. They have a great numbers of followers.

Communism Manifesto? Don't know if I have time to study that in depth.

A man will never be able to convince the whole world to follow him because he does great things or miracles. If that was the case we would all be Christians because Jesus was a real person.
Posted 9/18/08 , edited 9/18/08

dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:

The only way this whole entire world could even be united is that we have the same or similar mind set and similar interest. I think the U.S. military and other military figures came up with an idea to unite everyone in the whole world. At the rate wars were being waged, we were basically going to wipe each other out. So they hatched the plan of an alien invasion. Common enemy and common interest. This way, everyone on earth would have something in common and unite under a single banner.

Having a religious figure who could pull of miracles out of his ass is another one. Kind of like a global messiah figure.

Another way is to centralize money to the rich elitist families. They would rule the world together and have everyone below them as peasants. This is the most realistic so far.


The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.

Even if a global messiah exist, there will still be doubters. There is ALWAYS doubters.

This is extremely impossible. Go read Communism Manifisto.


There will be doubters true enough but that global messiah has to be an extremely great figure. Take that Sun guy from Korea and other figures who declared themselves as someone great. They have a great numbers of followers.

Communism Manifesto? Don't know if I have time to study that in depth.

A man will never be able to convince the whole world to follow him because he does great things or miracles. If that was the case we would all be Christians because Jesus was a real person.


No no. You have to set up the correct scenario. That's what you're forgetting. If some Joe Blow appears claiming to be someone great and pulling off miracles when times are good, they will think that the guy is a crazy street magician.

Now if the times are really bad, the whole world at war, and the same Joe Blow appears. People will follow him. Well, that is if that Joe Blow could offer people hope.

I do recall someone making a speech at that UN stating that the speaker wouldn't care if there was a man, be it God or the devil, just as long as that man could solve all of the global problems that are occurring and might arise.

Nope, you wouldn't be Christian. You'll actually be a Jew. Go learn who Jesus really was and what Jesus really believed. Jesus was a ... wait for it ... a Jew. Shocker!
Posted 9/18/08

vajmichael wrote:


No no. You have to set up the correct scenario. That's what you're forgetting. If some Joe Blow appears claiming to be someone great and pulling off miracles when times are good, they will think that the guy is a crazy street magician.

Now if the times are really bad, the whole world at war, and the same Joe Blow appears. People will follow him. Well, that is if that Joe Blow could offer people hope.

I do recall someone making a speech at that UN stating that the speaker wouldn't care if there was a man, be it God or the devil, just as long as that man could solve all of the global problems that are occurring and might arise.

Nope, you wouldn't be Christian. You'll actually be a Jew. Go learn who Jesus really was and what Jesus really believed. Jesus was a ... wait for it ... a Jew. Shocker!


Jesus was Hebrew, Jewish people as we know them today do not see Jesus as any sort of messiah, Christians see Jesus as the son of God, and thank him for what he did which was save them from there sins. No, you wouldn't be Jewish, you would be Christian.

More over, only ignorant masses can be controlled like that, not men with logical thinking. How do you think the scientific revolution and the reformation era came about? Now, if your going to call everybody in the world a ignorant mass right now, well, LOL.
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Posted 9/18/08

dmitsuki wrote:

The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.


One of the best constructed myths of American foreign policy.
Posted 9/19/08

leviathan343 wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:

The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.


One of the best constructed myths of American foreign policy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containment It's undeniable that the spread of Communism to tons of other country's in the world (Soviet Style at least) could and would destroy the global market of trade, and threatened America's existence. Have you ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crysis?
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Posted 9/19/08

dmitsuki wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:

The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.


One of the best constructed myths of American foreign policy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containment It's undeniable that the spread of Communism to tons of other country's in the world (Soviet Style at least) could and would destroy the global market of trade, and threatened America's existence. Have you ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crysis?


Both sides are equally guilty of demonizing the other, while inflating a system of economic policy into the defining factor between the two nations. The U.S. is extraordinarily guilty of intervening in world affairs in order to stop this perceived threat (not to blame the Soviet Union as well for doing the same thing).

So what about the Cuban Missile Crisis? What does that have to do with the global economy, if anything at all?
Posted 9/19/08

dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:


No no. You have to set up the correct scenario. That's what you're forgetting. If some Joe Blow appears claiming to be someone great and pulling off miracles when times are good, they will think that the guy is a crazy street magician.

Now if the times are really bad, the whole world at war, and the same Joe Blow appears. People will follow him. Well, that is if that Joe Blow could offer people hope.

I do recall someone making a speech at that UN stating that the speaker wouldn't care if there was a man, be it God or the devil, just as long as that man could solve all of the global problems that are occurring and might arise.

Nope, you wouldn't be Christian. You'll actually be a Jew. Go learn who Jesus really was and what Jesus really believed. Jesus was a ... wait for it ... a Jew. Shocker!


Jesus was Hebrew, Jewish people as we know them today do not see Jesus as any sort of messiah, Christians see Jesus as the son of God, and thank him for what he did which was save them from there sins. No, you wouldn't be Jewish, you would be Christian.

More over, only ignorant masses can be controlled like that, not men with logical thinking. How do you think the scientific revolution and the reformation era came about? Now, if your going to call everybody in the world a ignorant mass right now, well, LOL.


Nope, you'll still be a Jew. A perverted Jew that is. Or would it be perverse. Well, Christianity is a perversion of Judaism. You also forgot about the Messanic Jews who do see Jesus as the Messiah. Other Jews view Jesus as a great prophet. I'm not too familiar with how each sect views Jesus or rather Yahshua or Yeshua as they prefer to call him.

Actually, you would be dead wrong on how many men with supposed logical thinking could be controlled. Anyway, are you trying to incite an argument between religion and science?

I dare call everyone ignorant even myself. When you think of how much we know compared to how much we still don't know, it is baffling and pathetically small.
Posted 9/19/08

leviathan343 wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:

The soviets wanted to unite everybody under the concept of soviet communism, to counter this, the USA government used containment, which was to stop the spread of communism and spread democracy, because the spread of communism threatened the USA's way of life. Trillions of dollars were spent, Russia dropped out, and the USA wont.


One of the best constructed myths of American foreign policy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containment It's undeniable that the spread of Communism to tons of other country's in the world (Soviet Style at least) could and would destroy the global market of trade, and threatened America's existence. Have you ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crysis?


Both sides are equally guilty of demonizing the other, while inflating a system of economic policy into the defining factor between the two nations. The U.S. is extraordinarily guilty of intervening in world affairs in order to stop this perceived threat (not to blame the Soviet Union as well for doing the same thing).

So what about the Cuban Missile Crisis? What does that have to do with the global economy, if anything at all?


Eh, I guess I did sound a bit like a patriotic idiot there, I didn't mean that YEAH THE BIG USA IS THE GOOD GUYS GO KILL THOSE COMMIES! I'm just saying, there were reasons that benefited us (and that's who we should really care about, sorry but its the truth) and it wasn't done for absolutely no reason. The Cuban Missile Crysis is a example of why Containment wasn't a total bullshit waste of time.
Posted 9/19/08

vajmichael wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:


No no. You have to set up the correct scenario. That's what you're forgetting. If some Joe Blow appears claiming to be someone great and pulling off miracles when times are good, they will think that the guy is a crazy street magician.

Now if the times are really bad, the whole world at war, and the same Joe Blow appears. People will follow him. Well, that is if that Joe Blow could offer people hope.

I do recall someone making a speech at that UN stating that the speaker wouldn't care if there was a man, be it God or the devil, just as long as that man could solve all of the global problems that are occurring and might arise.

Nope, you wouldn't be Christian. You'll actually be a Jew. Go learn who Jesus really was and what Jesus really believed. Jesus was a ... wait for it ... a Jew. Shocker!


Jesus was Hebrew, Jewish people as we know them today do not see Jesus as any sort of messiah, Christians see Jesus as the son of God, and thank him for what he did which was save them from there sins. No, you wouldn't be Jewish, you would be Christian.

More over, only ignorant masses can be controlled like that, not men with logical thinking. How do you think the scientific revolution and the reformation era came about? Now, if your going to call everybody in the world a ignorant mass right now, well, LOL.


Nope, you'll still be a Jew. A perverted Jew that is. Or would it be perverse. Well, Christianity is a perversion of Judaism. You also forgot about the Messanic Jews who do see Jesus as the Messiah. Other Jews view Jesus as a great prophet. I'm not too familiar with how each sect views Jesus or rather Yahshua or Yeshua as they prefer to call him.

Actually, you would be dead wrong on how many men with supposed logical thinking could be controlled. Anyway, are you trying to incite an argument between religion and science?

I dare call everyone ignorant even myself. When you think of how much we know compared to how much we still don't know, it is baffling and pathetically small.

Therefore, it would be impossible for any man to control another man in all that ignorance. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, knowing the most makes you the least ignorant, and these are the men who can't be controlled. If that wasn't true, then we would all live in some huge British colonial monarchy or something right now.

Let's not get into religion anymore in a topic that has nothing to do with religion...
Posted 9/19/08

dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


vajmichael wrote:


No no. You have to set up the correct scenario. That's what you're forgetting. If some Joe Blow appears claiming to be someone great and pulling off miracles when times are good, they will think that the guy is a crazy street magician.

Now if the times are really bad, the whole world at war, and the same Joe Blow appears. People will follow him. Well, that is if that Joe Blow could offer people hope.

I do recall someone making a speech at that UN stating that the speaker wouldn't care if there was a man, be it God or the devil, just as long as that man could solve all of the global problems that are occurring and might arise.

Nope, you wouldn't be Christian. You'll actually be a Jew. Go learn who Jesus really was and what Jesus really believed. Jesus was a ... wait for it ... a Jew. Shocker!


Jesus was Hebrew, Jewish people as we know them today do not see Jesus as any sort of messiah, Christians see Jesus as the son of God, and thank him for what he did which was save them from there sins. No, you wouldn't be Jewish, you would be Christian.

More over, only ignorant masses can be controlled like that, not men with logical thinking. How do you think the scientific revolution and the reformation era came about? Now, if your going to call everybody in the world a ignorant mass right now, well, LOL.


Nope, you'll still be a Jew. A perverted Jew that is. Or would it be perverse. Well, Christianity is a perversion of Judaism. You also forgot about the Messanic Jews who do see Jesus as the Messiah. Other Jews view Jesus as a great prophet. I'm not too familiar with how each sect views Jesus or rather Yahshua or Yeshua as they prefer to call him.

Actually, you would be dead wrong on how many men with supposed logical thinking could be controlled. Anyway, are you trying to incite an argument between religion and science?

I dare call everyone ignorant even myself. When you think of how much we know compared to how much we still don't know, it is baffling and pathetically small.

Therefore, it would be impossible for any man to control another man in all that ignorance. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, knowing the most makes you the least ignorant, and these are the men who can't be controlled. If that wasn't true, then we would all live in some huge British colonial monarchy or something right now.

Let's not get into religion anymore in a topic that has nothing to do with religion...


I disagree. A person doesn't need a lot of knowledge to led a rabble of men or even a large nation of men. This has been proven many times throughout history. They may not have been the best of leaders but they have gotten people to go along with things be it successful or disastrous.
Posted 9/19/08

vajmichael wrote:


I disagree. A person doesn't need a lot of knowledge to led a rabble of men or even a large nation of men. This has been proven many times throughout history. They may not have been the best of leaders but they have gotten people to go along with things be it successful or disastrous.


Sure, to get people to do what you want for a little you can be a idiot. To lead people in the long run? You will find that many times throughout history any man who was a retard and controlling a lot of people, didn't last long.
Posted 9/19/08
Well see, an idiot is just different from a person with little knowledge but idiots did have their ruling days.
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Posted 9/19/08

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realdry wrote:


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Doing that will not lead to utopia, but to dystopia.

An impossible dream is impossible. One man (or a group) can't control the world. A single corruption of a leader will lead to a global problem. A person like Hitler as a leader would be too devastating. And, blah blah blah.


i wasnt gonna really comment till i saw this "A person like Hitler as a leader would be too devastating.". Do you realize what Hitler did in his first 4 years of rule? He also would have united the world except for that killing jews thing( the hating jews thing was normal at that time but no one really put it into effect). anyhow i would say the opposite would occur Hitler was never once corrupt; never a coward(except for the suicide thing) knew what the priorities for his country was(education, youth volunteering, strong economy, good foreign relations, what the "morally proper" family was like, etc.) sure it wouldn't be a utopia i doubt that is possible, but this would be quite close a world united (i mean he may exterminate a part of the race but aren't we always talking about over population and prices of food and housing going up?*jkn*) i doubt any1 else than hitler could acomplish this though.


I loled. Hitler, was a white supremacist. Hitler believed that he was of a superior race, and everybody else was inferior, and he took anti antisemitism to a whole new level. How wold a person like Hitler not be devastating? He is a racist, narrow minded extremist who used a whole people as scapegoats, killed them, just to make him and his government look better. Hitler never believed in good foreign relations, unless signing pacts to buy time until you attack people is good foreign relations, or taking over place's like Czechoslovakia is good foreign relations. Hitler is also a fascist, and in case you didn't know, that means if he was the ruler, we wouldn't be communicating on these computers the way we are right now, disrespecting the Nazi party. A world ruled by Hitler, or rather the Nazi party, would be a world were you wouldn't have your own mind, and would be doing everything the government wanted you to do no objections, unless your me or any other non white or non Japanese person, in which good luck. (Unless of course, you mean the axis didn't cooperate and Hitler was just the leader, in which, all Asian race's would be inferior to.)


i know what a fascist is.... and hitler wasnt a white supremacist, he believed in the might of the aryan race(well actually im not sure he may have been, but arent jews white?). good foreign relations with all other white countries like america, england, france, etc. sure he disliked the slavik race(east european races eg.russia, czechslovakia). he managed to unite a country that was in turmoil, that in itself is amazing, most of the country was for him most of the time. He was a brilliant tactician (but a bit too superstitious). What you seem to know seems something like you would hear from the average ignorant misinformed citizen of a first world country. it seems your knowledge base for this is something for only a few sources all written from the eyes of a ___(hitler hater?). consider all things he achieved what most of the world leaders are having toruble achieving. HITLER WAS RACIST, yea i dont have anything to say to that except arent we all? to a certain degree we are all racist, be it subconsciously or consciously. you might say we never went to the level of attempted genocide(well not really just a branch of the human race), but hitler was the ruler of that country and he gave the jewish(only full jews btw) population a deportation notice but they considered it to be a joke, so its in a sense they got slaughtered.(and you cant say that hitler was the only jew hater at that time, look at america so many jews wernt allowed into high class clubs and restaurants beacuse they were jews). the only real problem i see with what i said beforehand is that once hitler died the world(or however large his empire at that time was) would be leaderless and might fall into disorder. but ya..BOW CHIKA WOW WOW
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