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Posted 9/19/08

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Doing that will not lead to utopia, but to dystopia.

An impossible dream is impossible. One man (or a group) can't control the world. A single corruption of a leader will lead to a global problem. A person like Hitler as a leader would be too devastating. And, blah blah blah.


i wasnt gonna really comment till i saw this "A person like Hitler as a leader would be too devastating.". Do you realize what Hitler did in his first 4 years of rule? He also would have united the world except for that killing jews thing( the hating jews thing was normal at that time but no one really put it into effect). anyhow i would say the opposite would occur Hitler was never once corrupt; never a coward(except for the suicide thing) knew what the priorities for his country was(education, youth volunteering, strong economy, good foreign relations, what the "morally proper" family was like, etc.) sure it wouldn't be a utopia i doubt that is possible, but this would be quite close a world united (i mean he may exterminate a part of the race but aren't we always talking about over population and prices of food and housing going up?*jkn*) i doubt any1 else than hitler could acomplish this though.


I loled. Hitler, was a white supremacist. Hitler believed that he was of a superior race, and everybody else was inferior, and he took anti antisemitism to a whole new level. How wold a person like Hitler not be devastating? He is a racist, narrow minded extremist who used a whole people as scapegoats, killed them, just to make him and his government look better. Hitler never believed in good foreign relations, unless signing pacts to buy time until you attack people is good foreign relations, or taking over place's like Czechoslovakia is good foreign relations. Hitler is also a fascist, and in case you didn't know, that means if he was the ruler, we wouldn't be communicating on these computers the way we are right now, disrespecting the Nazi party. A world ruled by Hitler, or rather the Nazi party, would be a world were you wouldn't have your own mind, and would be doing everything the government wanted you to do no objections, unless your me or any other non white or non Japanese person, in which good luck. (Unless of course, you mean the axis didn't cooperate and Hitler was just the leader, in which, all Asian race's would be inferior to.)


i know what a fascist is.... and hitler wasnt a white supremacist, he believed in the might of the aryan race(well actually im not sure he may have been, but arent jews white?). good foreign relations with all other white countries like america, england, france, etc. sure he disliked the slavik race(east european races eg.russia, czechslovakia). he managed to unite a country that was in turmoil, that in itself is amazing, most of the country was for him most of the time. He was a brilliant tactician (but a bit too superstitious). What you seem to know seems something like you would hear from the average ignorant misinformed citizen of a first world country. it seems your knowledge base for this is something for only a few sources all written from the eyes of a ___(hitler hater?). consider all things he achieved what most of the world leaders are having toruble achieving. HITLER WAS RACIST, yea i dont have anything to say to that except arent we all? to a certain degree we are all racist, be it subconsciously or consciously. you might say we never went to the level of attempted genocide(well not really just a branch of the human race), but hitler was the ruler of that country and he gave the jewish(only full jews btw) population a deportation notice but they considered it to be a joke, so its in a sense they got slaughtered.(and you cant say that hitler was the only jew hater at that time, look at america so many jews wernt allowed into high class clubs and restaurants beacuse they were jews). the only real problem i see with what i said beforehand is that once hitler died the world(or however large his empire at that time was) would be leaderless and might fall into disorder. but ya..BOW CHIKA WOW WOW


What you seem to know comes from a retarded Neo-Nazi. Hitler was a white supremacist, and no Jewish people are not white, even the KKK hates Jewish people. Hitler established such a good foreign relation with America, England, and France that they blew up there capital city beyond recognition...? (Honestly, what are you talking about, Hitler NEVER established good term's with anybody but Axis country's) And you think Hitler is some amazing dude that united German people o so eloquently? Hitler said, "We are the German race! We are superior! I will get back our land taken from us! I will fix the problems are weak government have created!" Then, he also blamed some of the economic problems on Jewish people, so all he did to fool masses was 1. Blame the German government 2. Blame Jewish people. If blaming people is so amazing way of uniting people, then you have pretty low standards for amazing. Your comparing my extend of racism to Hitlers? Whenever I'm around large groups of white people, I feel uncomfortable, but I would still talk to everybody around me, and even date and marry I chick I meet there. Therefore, I dislike white people to a certain extend sure. But would I fucking systematically try to wipe out every white person in the world saying I"m the superior race? And now, your trying to DEFEND what Hitler did to the Jewish people telling me he was FORCING them to leave there homes or he would kill them all off, so they had a chance to just give up everything they had and leave? facepalm.jpg

Hitler, was a decent tactician, but you seem to forget most of his achievement's lie within then dumbassery of the British, French, and Russian Government. Holding back, and signing retarded treaty's to wait to force war, is ultimately why Germany was even allowed to get anywhere at all in the war. If Britain and France in the very beginning, when Hitler had took part of Czechoslovakia, had just attacked and suppressed the Nazi threat, there wouldn't of BEEN a WW2. (Or, at least not in the sense that there was now)

Hitler, and supremacist for any race in general, or never fit to rule a large amount of people, let alone the world. Do you know what happens if a White supremacist gets into office OF THE WORLD? Mass revolution, do you think people will just sit around and take being treated unequally, and possibly killed for being different? Have people EVER just took it? Do you not think people of the Aryan (which is the white race, it wasn't originally, but Hitler just loved taking things and using him in his fucked up way) race would not sympathize with the people being treated unfairly, and realize there human? They would, its been proven in American history they would, and then there would be a mass civil war. If you honestly cannot understand how many people are in the world to begin with, how many people are Asian, Indian, African, and other race's such as that compared to how many people are White, and how PISSED THE FUCK OFF we would be because some dick who "leads the world" says we aren't worth shit and he is superior and took our rights, and why that would lead to a unstable society, I advise you go back to middle school and actually pay just a little attention when there talking about why the Nazi Party failed, why the Soviets Failed, and why anytime people's rights are being taken from them, the offending party fails.

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ummm too many points for me to collect my thoughts. so just somethings; im not defending what hitler did, some of the things you write are a bit repetative(eg. "white supremacist"), hitler was the ruling power voted into power by the people so his word his law so if you dont do what he says you are a criminal, i have nothing much to respond to about war(i dont care much about it its normal that there are wars, just say that politicians should go and fight the battles themselves). I know that Hitler was very lucky because he told the people what they wanted to hear so he got into power but others were also trying to get into power at that time, he was a politcian is that nothing more you could ask for? o btw im not white or pro white. jews are kinda part of the aryan race in a sense that they are much like(if not part of) the indo-iranian(a "type" of aryan). Cant really argue about the second paragraph. Hitler maintained quite good relations with Britain and her colonies and america for quite a long time(go visit archives and read messages sent between the british priminister and henderson and goring and ribbentrop and hitler), and i dont recall reading about woodrow being anti-hitler that much. Do you realize the aryan race was divided between the allies and the axis even though hitler wished peace to remain between them. Why didnt england come to france's aid? why were the allies leaders pussies for such a long time? they weanted to appease hitler instead of fighting him... o btw my school here in canada doesnt teach jack about things that happen outside of canada(except THE HOLOCAUST IS BAD) we concentrate on the holocaust so much though, what about the rape of nanking? that was a much more dense killing than the holocaust. what about the mass slaughterings done by hindu extremists, also what about the the use of small pox to kill oh so many aboriginals(natives of north america) during the conquest of north america. ya i got sidetracked but ya... i still think it takes an iron rule to lead the world or like someone else said "the ability to pull miracles out of their ass".
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no....

a country has different cultures...

world peace could be attained without having a one country one leader policy.

if we would try doing that,....

CHAOS would take place...

Posted 9/20/08 , edited 9/20/08

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ummm too many points for me to collect my thoughts. so just somethings; im not defending what hitler did, some of the things you write are a bit repetative(eg. "white supremacist"), hitler was the ruling power voted into power by the people so his word his law so if you dont do what he says you are a criminal,


That's fascism! Good ol pal it is.

i have nothing much to respond to about war(i dont care much about it its normal that there are wars, just say that politicians should go and fight the battles themselves). I know that Hitler was very lucky because he told the people what they wanted to hear so he got into power but others were also trying to get into power at that time, he was a politcian is that nothing more you could ask for?

Hitler was not a politician, he was a dictator.

o btw im not white or pro white. jews are kinda part of the aryan race in a sense that they are much like(if not part of) the indo-iranian(a "type" of aryan).

Hitler made his own meaning for Aryan. It has nothing to do with what it previously meant or defined.

Cant really argue about the second paragraph. Hitler maintained quite good relations with Britain and her colonies and america for quite a long time(go visit archives and read messages sent between the british priminister and henderson and goring and ribbentrop and hitler), and i dont recall reading about woodrow being anti-hitler that much.

He never maintained "Good Relations" He just acted cautiously enough to where he could act to prepare for a war, which everybody knew was comming. Especially Churchill, he was even quoted talking about the horror that would come.

Do you realize the aryan race was divided between the allies and the axis even though hitler wished peace to remain between them. Why didnt england come to france's aid? why were the allies leaders pussies for such a long time? they weanted to appease hitler instead of fighting him...

LOL they didn't want to "appease" him, they just didn't want war. All the event's leading up to WW2, and the illegal actions Hitler took were not ignored because of diplomatic relations, rather because the great depression. No country, that could barely feed its people, wanted to go to war. And when Germany attacked France, Britian didn't just ignore it, Britain knew that if France got taken, it was the next target, so they tried to stop the German Advance, but alas, the Blitrzkrieg method the Nazi's used was to effective.

o btw my school here in canada doesnt teach jack about things that happen outside of canada(except THE HOLOCAUST IS BAD) we concentrate on the holocaust so much though, what about the rape of nanking? that was a much more dense killing than the holocaust. what about the mass slaughterings done by hindu extremists, also what about the the use of small pox to kill oh so many aboriginals(natives of north america) during the conquest of north america. ya i got sidetracked but ya... i still think it takes an iron rule to lead the world or like someone else said "the ability to pull miracles out of their ass".

Everywhere tries to focus on the Holocaust, and get into some details about the War, but only the ignorant say it's just the plain ol' worst thing in history. American's, the founders of this nation, were some of the most horrible people in history. They fought for "freedom", then systematically enslaved African's, whom which were lucky, because the Indians were simply forced off there lands and killed, all in Gods name or whatever. (Don't you just love Manifest destiny!) At the same time as the Holocaust, in Russia, some great event called the Great Purge was going on due to our pal Stalin, which was just as bad as the Holocaust, but you see this isn't covered as much in our history books because Russians at the time weren't the bad guys! History is filled with horrible shit, did you know America would give money and means to take over the country to dictators in foreign country's as long as they promised not to be communism's?

A Iron rule, never will be able to effectively rule the world. As stated by the philosopher Locke, people have a right to liberty, and when your government doesn't give it to you, there will be a revolution. Even more so, as Marx said, when your government is treating you like shit, you will overthrow it, and commence a dictatorship of the people.

(I obviously paraphrased those last lines, so don't go quoting them in class)
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dmitsuki wrote:

Hitler was not a politician, he was a dictator.

LOL they didn't want to "appease" him, they just didn't want war. All the event's leading up to WW2, and the illegal actions Hitler took were not ignored because of diplomatic relations, rather because the great depression. No country, that could barely feed its people, wanted to go to war. And when Germany attacked France, Britian didn't just ignore it, Britain knew that if France got taken, it was the next target, so they tried to stop the German Advance, but alas, the Blitrzkrieg method the Nazi's used was to effective.

A Iron rule, never will be able to effectively rule the world. As stated by the philosopher Locke, people have a right to liberty, and when your government doesn't give it to you, there will be a revolution. Even more so, as Marx said, when your government is treating you like shit, you will overthrow it, and commence a dictatorship of the people.



(sorry i am a bit new to the quoting thing) what is a politician? Hitler was a politician that got enough power to be a dictator, loved by most his people(except near the end).

Ya, they didnt want war i know that thats why they just thought if we give him some other countries maybe we can be safe a bit longer and build up our forces. but, if the allies were the good guys they shouldnt have tried to appease him... it never works as we have seen in history before. The actions other countries took towards the german population in their own countries wernt exactly right and the Versailles(cant spell) Treaty wasnt really that fair.... I know that Britain knew that the French were just the first line of defense(cus then germany would be in the position France always was in and England would be boxed in(sux to be an island)) but they didnt do much because of past relations(with france and germany). Hitler was perfectly willing to share the power with America and Britain and Her Colonies if you see his actions leading up to WW2(he wanted to be allies with them, according to the messages sent between these countries). Woodrow and Chamberlain were all like the world is pretty and peaceful while all the little countries were getting taken over, then BAM they are right at our doorstep...

An iron rule may or may not be able to rule the world for a long time but I think it should be able to rule most if not all for a short while. We have seen in history that a government gets less and less loose as the empire expands. You need an iron rule to deal with governors of states(or w/e you call them kantons, provinces, etc.) or the people themselves directly. The larger the rule the more strict you have to be.

Posted 9/20/08

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dmitsuki wrote:

Hitler was not a politician, he was a dictator.

LOL they didn't want to "appease" him, they just didn't want war. All the event's leading up to WW2, and the illegal actions Hitler took were not ignored because of diplomatic relations, rather because the great depression. No country, that could barely feed its people, wanted to go to war. And when Germany attacked France, Britian didn't just ignore it, Britain knew that if France got taken, it was the next target, so they tried to stop the German Advance, but alas, the Blitrzkrieg method the Nazi's used was to effective.

A Iron rule, never will be able to effectively rule the world. As stated by the philosopher Locke, people have a right to liberty, and when your government doesn't give it to you, there will be a revolution. Even more so, as Marx said, when your government is treating you like shit, you will overthrow it, and commence a dictatorship of the people.



(sorry i am a bit new to the quoting thing) what is a politician? Hitler was a politician that got enough power to be a dictator, loved by most his people(except near the end).

Ya, they didnt want war i know that thats why they just thought if we give him some other countries maybe we can be safe a bit longer and build up our forces. but, if the allies were the good guys they shouldnt have tried to appease him... it never works as we have seen in history before. The actions other countries took towards the german population in their own countries wernt exactly right and the Versailles(cant spell) Treaty wasnt really that fair.... I know that Britain knew that the French were just the first line of defense(cus then germany would be in the position France always was in and England would be boxed in(sux to be an island)) but they didnt do much because of past relations(with france and germany). Hitler was perfectly willing to share the power with America and Britain and Her Colonies if you see his actions leading up to WW2(he wanted to be allies with them, according to the messages sent between these countries). Woodrow and Chamberlain were all like the world is pretty and peaceful while all the little countries were getting taken over, then BAM they are right at our doorstep...

An iron rule may or may not be able to rule the world for a long time but I think it should be able to rule most if not all for a short while. We have seen in history that a government gets less and less loose as the empire expands. You need an iron rule to deal with governors of states(or w/e you call them kantons, provinces, etc.) or the people themselves directly. The larger the rule the more strict you have to be.



Hitler never wanted to be allies with the USA and Britain, especially Britain. Hitler wanted everything, anything he told people, were lies. He made pacts with Stalin for example, which didn't really amount to anything. And the allies were the good guys or whatever, but they didn't attack and tried to appease to Hitler for the simple fact there economies were in no shape for war. He did although want the country's for himself, and the treaty of Versailles is more then fair, it simply took away everything Germany had and made them pay for the damage they caused, apparently though they didn't learn from the first time...
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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:

Hitler was not a politician, he was a dictator.

LOL they didn't want to "appease" him, they just didn't want war. All the event's leading up to WW2, and the illegal actions Hitler took were not ignored because of diplomatic relations, rather because the great depression. No country, that could barely feed its people, wanted to go to war. And when Germany attacked France, Britian didn't just ignore it, Britain knew that if France got taken, it was the next target, so they tried to stop the German Advance, but alas, the Blitrzkrieg method the Nazi's used was to effective.

A Iron rule, never will be able to effectively rule the world. As stated by the philosopher Locke, people have a right to liberty, and when your government doesn't give it to you, there will be a revolution. Even more so, as Marx said, when your government is treating you like shit, you will overthrow it, and commence a dictatorship of the people.



(sorry i am a bit new to the quoting thing) what is a politician? Hitler was a politician that got enough power to be a dictator, loved by most his people(except near the end).

Ya, they didnt want war i know that thats why they just thought if we give him some other countries maybe we can be safe a bit longer and build up our forces. but, if the allies were the good guys they shouldnt have tried to appease him... it never works as we have seen in history before. The actions other countries took towards the german population in their own countries wernt exactly right and the Versailles(cant spell) Treaty wasnt really that fair.... I know that Britain knew that the French were just the first line of defense(cus then germany would be in the position France always was in and England would be boxed in(sux to be an island)) but they didnt do much because of past relations(with france and germany). Hitler was perfectly willing to share the power with America and Britain and Her Colonies if you see his actions leading up to WW2(he wanted to be allies with them, according to the messages sent between these countries). Woodrow and Chamberlain were all like the world is pretty and peaceful while all the little countries were getting taken over, then BAM they are right at our doorstep...

An iron rule may or may not be able to rule the world for a long time but I think it should be able to rule most if not all for a short while. We have seen in history that a government gets less and less loose as the empire expands. You need an iron rule to deal with governors of states(or w/e you call them kantons, provinces, etc.) or the people themselves directly. The larger the rule the more strict you have to be.



Hitler never wanted to be allies with the USA and Britain, especially Britain. Hitler wanted everything, anything he told people, were lies. He made pacts with Stalin for example, which didn't really amount to anything. And the allies were the good guys or whatever, but they didn't attack and tried to appease to Hitler for the simple fact there economies were in no shape for war. He did although want the country's for himself, and the treaty of Versailles is more then fair, it simply took away everything Germany had and made them pay for the damage they caused, apparently though they didn't learn from the first time...


he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.
Posted 9/20/08

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he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.
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he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.


i know that everyone suffered but, what i meant by that it was unfair was the repayment/concessions (it left very little money for the country itself and the people were in a horrible condition, a bit too harsh, even if they were the instigators of the war). I know that no one should aim to be a fanatic but what i am saying was that Hitler was a patriot he wasnt a crazy person that wanted power just for himself. He remembered germany's glorious past and wanted to put them back into its original power. I think that thats a normal thing, all the other great empires(america,britain, rome, mongol, turk, etc.) all just wanted glory for their own country but that germany was punished too harshly for doing something that every other country aims to do. France treated germany like shit right after the war, they got too cocky but when the germans took over they treated the french as equals.
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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.


i know that everyone suffered but, what i meant by that it was unfair was the repayment/concessions (it left very little money for the country itself and the people were in a horrible condition, a bit too harsh, even if they were the instigators of the war). I know that no one should aim to be a fanatic but what i am saying was that Hitler was a patriot he wasnt a crazy person that wanted power just for himself. He remembered germany's glorious past and wanted to put them back into its original power. I think that thats a normal thing, all the other great empires(america,britain, rome, mongol, turk, etc.) all just wanted glory for their own country but that germany was punished too harshly for doing something that every other country aims to do. France treated germany like shit right after the war, they got too cocky but when the germans took over they treated the french as equals.


Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted to not only restore Germany to what it previously was, but got to ambitious and in turn were shot down. The conditions for surrender were not harsh, if you don't want to have to pay for the repercussions of a lost war, don't start a war. If your people are to weak to do anything about you going to war, that is there problem. Also, I think your misinterpreting the Nazi party, they were not these nice guys who wanted everything to be equal and fun. They treated the French as "equals". Sub humans with no mind all controlled by one figurehead which is the government. The Nazi's were fascist.
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realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.


i know that everyone suffered but, what i meant by that it was unfair was the repayment/concessions (it left very little money for the country itself and the people were in a horrible condition, a bit too harsh, even if they were the instigators of the war). I know that no one should aim to be a fanatic but what i am saying was that Hitler was a patriot he wasnt a crazy person that wanted power just for himself. He remembered germany's glorious past and wanted to put them back into its original power. I think that thats a normal thing, all the other great empires(america,britain, rome, mongol, turk, etc.) all just wanted glory for their own country but that germany was punished too harshly for doing something that every other country aims to do. France treated germany like shit right after the war, they got too cocky but when the germans took over they treated the french as equals.


Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted to not only restore Germany to what it previously was, but got to ambitious and in turn were shot down. The conditions for surrender were not harsh, if you don't want to have to pay for the repercussions of a lost war, don't start a war. If your people are to weak to do anything about you going to war, that is there problem. Also, I think your misinterpreting the Nazi party, they were not these nice guys who wanted everything to be equal and fun. They treated the French as "equals". Sub humans with no mind all controlled by one figurehead which is the government. The Nazi's were fascist.


FASCIST... means one race is superior... THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH AND GERMAN WERE OF THE SAME RACE. The dutch were also of similar race so they didnt really mind them. The people dont really have much of a choice about going to war as we saw with iraq, afghanistan, etc.(and these are democratic countries). The terms for the treaty were incredibly harsh for the germans, compared to how much blood each side spilled how much money was spent on the war but the french never really liked the germans so the took advantage of the germans being forced to sign the treaty. the only sub-humans(considered by hitler and the majority of the nazi party) were the oriental and negroid race. The davidians(or something) were considered near equals. The nazi party were not all blindly following hitlers plans btw. There was a high ranking party member who decided to help the chinese at nanking when their own army abandoned them (and he got taken by the gestapho for it), and there were many other similar cases. Also if the world disapproved of Hitlers plans so much then why did so many industrialists support hitler( from west europe and america) even though he stated his plans to deport the jews to madagascar and an aryan ruled world. "Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted not only to restore Germany to what it previously, but got too ambitious and were shot down", you say it as if germany was the only country that wanted more power, they wanted to first restore their power as one of the most powerful countries(is there anything wrong with that?).The Nazi party just acted a bit too recklessly. The people of Germany would of course support hitler because he gave them much needed food, gave their children a brighter future, brought glory to germany, you cant call them weak if you were in similar position you would most likely act like that as well.
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Hitler once planned to invade US but fails. One Nazi emperor rule the world is a nightmare.
Posted 9/20/08


About the European reconstruction after WWI, yes Germany did have to pay for concessions for instigating the war. However the true nature of the Versailles Treaty left no provisions for the economic rehabilitation of Europe. France did not want Germany to regain a decent economic infrastucture, which is understandable at that point having been repeatedly invaded by the Prussians/Germany. Europe not only already owed the US more than what she could pay; but only a large measure of further assistance could save her from starvation and bankruptcy. The state of Europe therefore was an industrial population unable to keep its strength from lack of food, unable to earn a livelihood for lack of materials, and so unable to make good by imports from abroad the failure of productivity at home. The European countries chose to keep its German neighbor weak rather than help supervice rebuilding its infrastructure so it could gain a decent economy and therefore speed up the process of Germany's repayment. The system finally led to the debauchary of currency and meanwhile the US are investing on something that was gradually desintegrating, making tons of goods that at least a third of the world's population could not afford and ultimately lead to the collapse of the global market.

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Posted 9/20/08

azera wrote:

Hitler once planned to invade US but fails. One Nazi emperor rule the world is a nightmare.


The topic wasnt weather or not hitler would be nice but who could lead(i think or the topic has sidetracked). Personally i would like the world to be unified but i guess it would be impossible. I know that if hitler came into power i would get fucked. hmm... maybe if we had like alien enemies we could unite under 1 government. o ya thx sienna for understanding me.

Posted 9/20/08

realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.


i know that everyone suffered but, what i meant by that it was unfair was the repayment/concessions (it left very little money for the country itself and the people were in a horrible condition, a bit too harsh, even if they were the instigators of the war). I know that no one should aim to be a fanatic but what i am saying was that Hitler was a patriot he wasnt a crazy person that wanted power just for himself. He remembered germany's glorious past and wanted to put them back into its original power. I think that thats a normal thing, all the other great empires(america,britain, rome, mongol, turk, etc.) all just wanted glory for their own country but that germany was punished too harshly for doing something that every other country aims to do. France treated germany like shit right after the war, they got too cocky but when the germans took over they treated the french as equals.


Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted to not only restore Germany to what it previously was, but got to ambitious and in turn were shot down. The conditions for surrender were not harsh, if you don't want to have to pay for the repercussions of a lost war, don't start a war. If your people are to weak to do anything about you going to war, that is there problem. Also, I think your misinterpreting the Nazi party, they were not these nice guys who wanted everything to be equal and fun. They treated the French as "equals". Sub humans with no mind all controlled by one figurehead which is the government. The Nazi's were fascist.


FASCIST... means one race is superior... THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH AND GERMAN WERE OF THE SAME RACE. The dutch were also of similar race so they didnt really mind them. The people dont really have much of a choice about going to war as we saw with iraq, afghanistan, etc.(and these are democratic countries). The terms for the treaty were incredibly harsh for the germans, compared to how much blood each side spilled how much money was spent on the war but the french never really liked the germans so the took advantage of the germans being forced to sign the treaty. the only sub-humans(considered by hitler and the majority of the nazi party) were the oriental and negroid race. The davidians(or something) were considered near equals. The nazi party were not all blindly following hitlers plans btw. There was a high ranking party member who decided to help the chinese at nanking when their own army abandoned them (and he got taken by the gestapho for it), and there were many other similar cases. Also if the world disapproved of Hitlers plans so much then why did so many industrialists support hitler( from west europe and america) even though he stated his plans to deport the jews to madagascar and an aryan ruled world. "Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted not only to restore Germany to what it previously, but got too ambitious and were shot down", you say it as if germany was the only country that wanted more power, they wanted to first restore their power as one of the most powerful countries(is there anything wrong with that?).The Nazi party just acted a bit too recklessly. The people of Germany would of course support hitler because he gave them much needed food, gave their children a brighter future, brought glory to germany, you cant call them weak if you were in similar position you would most likely act like that as well.


Not only do they not consider each other the same race (go call a Scottish guy British) but you are wrong about what Fascism is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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