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he did.., You misunderstand something. Stalin and Hitler made that pact knowing that they were just buying to build their forces... Stalin was of the Slavik race thats why Hitler had no problem betraying him. hitler was a patriot something we are all supposed to aim to be(i think). The Treaty of Versailles left no room for the germans to rebuild and the conditions were too harsh. This is the problem with wars; politicians start them and the people pay for them.


Every pact or agreement made from Hitler was for the advancement of Germany, he had no problem betraying anybody if it meant Germany getting farther ahead. Nobody should ever aim to be a blind, racist, patriot, its idiotic. The Treaty of Versailles did leave room for the Germans to rebuild, just not colonies, in fact, conditions were improving until the great depression, which you should know everybody suffered, not just Germany.


i know that everyone suffered but, what i meant by that it was unfair was the repayment/concessions (it left very little money for the country itself and the people were in a horrible condition, a bit too harsh, even if they were the instigators of the war). I know that no one should aim to be a fanatic but what i am saying was that Hitler was a patriot he wasnt a crazy person that wanted power just for himself. He remembered germany's glorious past and wanted to put them back into its original power. I think that thats a normal thing, all the other great empires(america,britain, rome, mongol, turk, etc.) all just wanted glory for their own country but that germany was punished too harshly for doing something that every other country aims to do. France treated germany like shit right after the war, they got too cocky but when the germans took over they treated the french as equals.


Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted to not only restore Germany to what it previously was, but got to ambitious and in turn were shot down. The conditions for surrender were not harsh, if you don't want to have to pay for the repercussions of a lost war, don't start a war. If your people are to weak to do anything about you going to war, that is there problem. Also, I think your misinterpreting the Nazi party, they were not these nice guys who wanted everything to be equal and fun. They treated the French as "equals". Sub humans with no mind all controlled by one figurehead which is the government. The Nazi's were fascist.


FASCIST... means one race is superior... THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH AND GERMAN WERE OF THE SAME RACE. The dutch were also of similar race so they didnt really mind them. The people dont really have much of a choice about going to war as we saw with iraq, afghanistan, etc.(and these are democratic countries). The terms for the treaty were incredibly harsh for the germans, compared to how much blood each side spilled how much money was spent on the war but the french never really liked the germans so the took advantage of the germans being forced to sign the treaty. the only sub-humans(considered by hitler and the majority of the nazi party) were the oriental and negroid race. The davidians(or something) were considered near equals. The nazi party were not all blindly following hitlers plans btw. There was a high ranking party member who decided to help the chinese at nanking when their own army abandoned them (and he got taken by the gestapho for it), and there were many other similar cases. Also if the world disapproved of Hitlers plans so much then why did so many industrialists support hitler( from west europe and america) even though he stated his plans to deport the jews to madagascar and an aryan ruled world. "Germany wanted power, the Nazi's wanted not only to restore Germany to what it previously, but got too ambitious and were shot down", you say it as if germany was the only country that wanted more power, they wanted to first restore their power as one of the most powerful countries(is there anything wrong with that?).The Nazi party just acted a bit too recklessly. The people of Germany would of course support hitler because he gave them much needed food, gave their children a brighter future, brought glory to germany, you cant call them weak if you were in similar position you would most likely act like that as well.


Not only do they not consider each other the same race (go call a Scottish guy British) but you are wrong about what Fascism is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?
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I suppose the highest ideal for humanity would be some kind of global communism, but humans happen to live short, selfish and fearful lives so it probably won't ever happen. Any attempt to unite the world would probably cause a lot violence and misery that would make the whole thing a waste of time and life. Not to mention the inevitable inefficiency and corruption that would eventually arise with such a massive bureaucracy.
Then again, we won't know til we try...
Posted 9/20/08

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ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.
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dmitsuki wrote:


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ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.


thought Nazi government was socialist... and kinda based upon mussolini's style of fascism. what i meant by the race being superior was that was a big point of the fascism part i read through most of the first link you sent.
thank god the posts are shorter... thought it was gonna end up with 1 post taking up like 3 pages or something
Posted 9/20/08

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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:



ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.


thought Nazi government was socialist... and kinda based upon mussolini's style of fascism. what i meant by the race being superior was that was a big point of the fascism part i read through most of the first link you sent.
thank god the posts are shorter... thought it was gonna end up with 1 post taking up like 3 pages or something


They were not socialist, they were basically communist A communist is like taking a socialist, and multiplying them by 50, and read everything about fascism, somewhere I was trying to make the point that it's a horrible standard of living, not just that they think somebody is superior. It's like living in Soviet Russia.
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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:



ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.


thought Nazi government was socialist... and kinda based upon mussolini's style of fascism. what i meant by the race being superior was that was a big point of the fascism part i read through most of the first link you sent.
thank god the posts are shorter... thought it was gonna end up with 1 post taking up like 3 pages or something


They were not socialist, they were basically communist A communist is like taking a socialist, and multiplying them by 50, and read everything about fascism, somewhere I was trying to make the point that it's a horrible standard of living, not just that they think somebody is superior. It's like living in Soviet Russia.


WOW, i really cannot believe you just wrote the Nazi wernt socialist(or did i somehow misunderstand that), everything else you wrote seemed to be understandable... Do u know what Nazi stands for?It means something like German Workers Socialist Party(can't remember). Socialism is something like communism and capitalism mixed together. In socialism you can get more stuff if you help the community more(kinda like socialism). Look at the swedish government they are socialist
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realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:



ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.


thought Nazi government was socialist... and kinda based upon mussolini's style of fascism. what i meant by the race being superior was that was a big point of the fascism part i read through most of the first link you sent.
thank god the posts are shorter... thought it was gonna end up with 1 post taking up like 3 pages or something


They were not socialist, they were basically communist A communist is like taking a socialist, and multiplying them by 50, and read everything about fascism, somewhere I was trying to make the point that it's a horrible standard of living, not just that they think somebody is superior. It's like living in Soviet Russia.


WOW, i really cannot believe you just wrote the Nazi wernt socialist(or did i somehow misunderstand that), everything else you wrote seemed to be understandable... Do u know what Nazi stands for?It means something like German Workers Socialist Party(can't remember). Socialism is something like communism and capitalism mixed together. In socialism you can get more stuff if you help the community more(kinda like socialism). Look at the swedish government they are socialist

If I call myself a tiger, does that make me a tiger? I know what Socialism is, I also know what fascism and Soviet Communism is. In a socialism, workers are not enslaved, and are given money by there government so everybody can maintain a well enough standard of living, in a Nazi Fascist society, this was not the case. On a social status, Nazi Fascism and Soviet Communism do not differ much, and they have economic similarities to, except the Fascist gave the industrialist what they wanted and helped further move capitalism while the soviets eliminated it and directly controlled there economy and gave power to the workers (per say).
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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:



ya... when i said same race i meant the germans, english, french, etc. Scottish means you are british... scotland is in great britain thus you are british... I am not wrong about the meaning of Fascism but i was being quite vague go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
says the meaning of Fascism is being debated and the meaning differs in different contexts. Nazi fascism was saying Aryans rule. lol the quotes are getting a bit long dont you think?


Government. No style of government is just a race is superior, it has to do more with economic things and the way people are treated due to laws and such. Nazi fascism is basically a Soviet Style Communism with a few difference's


And once again, go call a Scottish dude British.


thought Nazi government was socialist... and kinda based upon mussolini's style of fascism. what i meant by the race being superior was that was a big point of the fascism part i read through most of the first link you sent.
thank god the posts are shorter... thought it was gonna end up with 1 post taking up like 3 pages or something


They were not socialist, they were basically communist A communist is like taking a socialist, and multiplying them by 50, and read everything about fascism, somewhere I was trying to make the point that it's a horrible standard of living, not just that they think somebody is superior. It's like living in Soviet Russia.


WOW, i really cannot believe you just wrote the Nazi wernt socialist(or did i somehow misunderstand that), everything else you wrote seemed to be understandable... Do u know what Nazi stands for?It means something like German Workers Socialist Party(can't remember). Socialism is something like communism and capitalism mixed together. In socialism you can get more stuff if you help the community more(kinda like socialism). Look at the swedish government they are socialist

If I call myself a tiger, does that make me a tiger? I know what Socialism is, I also know what fascism and Soviet Communism is. In a socialism, workers are not enslaved, and are given money by there government so everybody can maintain a well enough standard of living, in a Nazi Fascist society, this was not the case. On a social status, Nazi Fascism and Soviet Communism do not differ much, and they have economic similarities to, except the Fascist gave the industrialist what they wanted and helped further move capitalism while the soviets eliminated it and directly controlled there economy and gave power to the workers (per say).


If you call yourself a tiger and everyone thinks you are a tiger thats as good as being a tigerXD. Explain how the workers were enslaved... i mean they got some of their rights taken away but at least no one was really starving(except near the end). everyone knew what would happen when Hitlerr got into power but they kidded themselves into believing something else.Did they think that the factories wouldnt require workers? that farms wouldnt require workers? that their sons wouldnt have to die for their country? No, they all knew that that was the path to Hitler's idea of glory for their country. I dont see where the enslaving was happening, the gestapo was their just to stop rebels(even though there wernt really domestic rebels) and keep the public under control(O.o that sounded wrong but i cant think of another way to write that). The nazi's gave the industrialists what they wanted because they were a socialist group, and they were backing their campaign and made deals for the future.
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If you call yourself a tiger and everyone thinks you are a tiger thats as good as being a tigerXD. Explain how the workers were enslaved... i mean they got some of their rights taken away but at least no one was really starving(except near the end). everyone knew what would happen when Hitlerr got into power but they kidded themselves into believing something else.Did they think that the factories wouldnt require workers? that farms wouldnt require workers? that their sons wouldnt have to die for their country? No, they all knew that that was the path to Hitler's idea of glory for their country. I dont see where the enslaving was happening, the gestapo was their just to stop rebels(even though there wernt really domestic rebels) and keep the public under control(O.o that sounded wrong but i cant think of another way to write that). The nazi's gave the industrialists what they wanted because they were a socialist group, and they were backing their campaign and made deals for the future.


" i mean they got their rights taken away..."

Fixed that for you, and let you answer your own question to.
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dmitsuki wrote:


realdry wrote:

If you call yourself a tiger and everyone thinks you are a tiger thats as good as being a tigerXD. Explain how the workers were enslaved... i mean they got some of their rights taken away but at least no one was really starving(except near the end). everyone knew what would happen when Hitlerr got into power but they kidded themselves into believing something else.Did they think that the factories wouldnt require workers? that farms wouldnt require workers? that their sons wouldnt have to die for their country? No, they all knew that that was the path to Hitler's idea of glory for their country. I dont see where the enslaving was happening, the gestapo was their just to stop rebels(even though there wernt really domestic rebels) and keep the public under control(O.o that sounded wrong but i cant think of another way to write that). The nazi's gave the industrialists what they wanted because they were a socialist group, and they were backing their campaign and made deals for the future.


" i mean they got their rights taken away..."

Fixed that for you, and let you answer your own question to.


thx for the fix... that wasnt what i meant by it. i meant that some of their rights were taken away. the optional ones, the ones we know of in 1st world democratic countries of the modern world. They were given food/water, homes, entertainment, security, a stable government, quite alot of rights. You wernt allowed free speech at that time, not really allowed to go against the government but the people didnt really want to in the first place, they seemed to get a sense of satisfaction and pride from their work.only during the last 2 years of Hitler's was it really like enslavement. why have other people stopped posting?
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Your serious about the Swedish Government being socialist?
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Lets hope for a Utopian Government thats going to rule us forever and everr.....
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Your serious about the Swedish Government being socialist?


umm last time i checked they were socialist...(well taht was like a few years ago lol)
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lol i thought the current monarchy was socialist. Bad king and queens.

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lol i thought the current monarchy was socialist. Bad king and queens.



a country can be socialist and a monarchy at the same time. like being democratic and socialist.
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