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What do you think is your equivalent punishment to your sin?
Posted 9/17/08
I already forgotten what's all about Dante's Inferno that I read when I was in 10th grade.
But I remember having a written assignment of what my own Dante's Inferno would looked like.
There's a part in my essay that rapists, sexual offenders, and sexual abusers would wind up in a detention area and get raped by Harpes and Minotaurs for eternity. I forgot the rest of the naughty things I wrote in that assignment, but I managed to pass that class anyhow.


Anyway, I'm a Catholic. There are times a person like I has to go to a confessional booth and have a one-on-one talk with a priest. The priest and penitent are in separate compartments and speak to each other through a grid or lattice. In there, a person can manage to blurt out all the things he/she made fault while, at the same time, these faults being mentioned are keep in confidential [the priest swears an oath to god not to reveal someone's fault to others]. After the confession, the priest will state his piece and lectures. Priests are like the voice of God. They'll say that god forgives your sins once you acknowledge those sins and you acknowledge that you're wrong and consciously suffering from those sins.
After that, the priest asks you to recite prayers [in numbers and succession] as a means for your punishment. [kinda lenient, huh?]
Then, when everything said and done, the penitent gets off the confessional booth with a clean slate(?)

I believed the last time I got to a confessional booth was year 2004. My aunt forced me to go to Jacksonville, Florida to join this Filipino religious movement called "Banal na pagaaral" (Holy Study). It's an annual event [and I forgot what batch number my group was. yikes.]. It's mostly organized by Old Filipino religious geezers but that religious gathering was to recruit fresh meats [like moi]. In other words, it's a religious-awareness movement for youngsters [like moi].
It was a stay-indoor for 3 days [I think], with no baths and no electronics whatsoever [so dedicated of them. sheesh.]. The ladies were grouped together in one room and the men were grouped in another room [tsk]. Each day had a particular religious theme [I'll spare the details of what we did on those days. ugh.] Anyway, on the last day, we were assigned to confess our sins with a priest. There's no booth, no grid or lattice to hide my shame from the priest. It's just a room with a priest. [bah. Like he'll see me again. pfft. I just got over it].
After the confession and lectures from the priest, he sentenced me to recite 30 Our Father and Hail Mary as my punishment. Then, I came home, feeling so clean. I was so well-mannered [in a geeky-way] for a day or two. But my character [the inner whatsome] was so bored and so not like me.
So, I act naturally just as I am.

Here's the deal. That experience of confessing stuff, being forgiven with compassionate words, and starting with a clean slate is kinda nice and simple.
Then, I wonder. If my sins were measured pound for pound, what exactly the punishment would be?
If I'm going to be realistic, I should be carrying a boulder weighing 250 lbs. wherever I go or do. It's up to the high-almighty to decide when should I be relinquish from such anguish.
Or he could just drop his huge hand [I imagine that God is really big. Don't instigate me. sheesh.] and crush me like a bug where reattaching my spinal cord is mere impossible.
[OR I could do what Kenshin Himura did in Samurai X. Atonement for his sins by endlessly walking on land to protect the weak and help others who's in need while no longer drawing the sharpen edge of the sword and killing someone.]

So, by just wondering....

What do you think is your equivalent punishment to your sin?



Note: Pardon my grammar. Still learning...
Help me out to fix it.
Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08

Kaminari12 wrote:

Being punished for something like sin (masturbation, lack of faith, etc.), which is comes completely from opinion, is kind of injustice in all sense of the word. Now don't get me wrong there are evils we can all agree on, such as homicide or rape. But the type of punishment this topic starter is thinking of is almost cruel.


The punishment should not be always gore and blood.

The topic is about "in your own sense, what punishment suits your sin?"

In this case, your thoughts are mislead and you viewed my thinking as cruel. If you're creative enough, you could have said, "my punishment should be nag to death by my future yet lousy mother-in-law." See. Wasn't that so hard?


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whatsome wrote:


Kaminari12 wrote:

Being punished for something like sin (masturbation, lack of faith, etc.), which is comes completely from opinion, is kind of injustice in all sense of the word. Now don't get me wrong there are evils we can all agree on, such as homicide or rape. But the type of punishment this topic starter is thinking of is almost cruel.


The punishment should not be always gore and blood.

The topic is about "in your own sense, what punishment suits your sin?"

In this case, your thoughts are mislead and you viewed my thinking as cruel. If you're creative enough, you could have said, "my punishment should be nag to death by my future yet lousy mother-in-law." See. Wasn't that so hard?


Well, I can't really think of a punishment, because I don't really see how living constitutes as a crime. People are constantly making mistakes in life, some choose to learn from them, others don't. That is the reality, and it is also a very unique process in life. So in other words, I really don't see the point of this topic at all.

Oh, and I did not mean that your thinking was cruel, I thought your idea of punishment for yourself was cruel. You don't believe carrying around a 250 pound boulder is unfair?


I'll persevere.
I might get hired as body builder by luck.
I managed to salvage my left leg 2 years ago. so, no biggie.
yup. Humans are interesting. <-- quote from Kurosagi last episode


Kaminari12 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Kaminari12 wrote:

Being punished for something like sin (masturbation, lack of faith, etc.), which is comes completely from opinion, is kind of injustice in all sense of the word. Now don't get me wrong there are evils we can all agree on, such as homicide or rape. But the type of punishment this topic starter is thinking of is almost cruel.


Ok if you have a lack of faith, then you don't believe so its not a sin,as for masturbation its not a sin either its a natural bodily function.


Well of course I don't believe in sin, I guess I should have emphasized that in my first post.


You don't believe in sin, but the guilt factor will eventually take over.
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Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08
We do not determin the punishment for our sins, God does. The Bible says that all sin is worthy of death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in* Christ Jesus our Lord.

I take comfort in knowing that Jesus is Greater than sin and forgives if we repent ^_^
Posted 9/17/08 , edited 11/4/08

digs wrote:

We do not determin the punishment for our sins, God does. The Bible says that all sin is worthy of death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in* Christ Jesus our Lord.

I take comfort in knowing that Jesus is Greater than sin and forgives if we repent ^_^


tsk. It's like talking to a wall. -_-

I did not say you actually have to do it. Just wonder, that's all.

Digs can you watch the kmovie "Oldboy" for me? And, tell me why the guy did it to himself at the end? ^_^ thanks


I already know the outcome and why the guy had to it. I just want you to watch it and share your views about the movie. ^___^ thanks
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Posted 9/17/08

digs wrote:

We do not determin the punishment for our sins, God does. The Bible says that all sin is worthy of death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in* Christ Jesus our Lord.

I take comfort in knowing that Jesus is Greater than sin and forgives if we repent ^_^


That great, but this is a what if question, not what is. Go to a christian forum plz, then come back when you can figure out what the topic starters imply.

On topic:
For me I would lose all sensation. It's easy to guess why.
Posted 9/17/08 , edited 9/17/08

crunchypibb wrote:


digs wrote:

We do not determin the punishment for our sins, God does. The Bible says that all sin is worthy of death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in* Christ Jesus our Lord.

I take comfort in knowing that Jesus is Greater than sin and forgives if we repent ^_^


That great, but this is a what if question, not what is. Go to a christian forum plz, then come back when you can figure out what the topic starters imply.
On topic:
For me I would lose all sensation. It's easy to guess why.


Thank you. This is a better response.
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god pays you $14.50 a day, and you have to pay for your sins.

so lets say a lie is worth $3.50. you die and go to heaven, and before you can enter you have to pay st. Peter: $3.50, $3.50, $3.50.....etc.

murder is like....200 bucks

masturbation is.......i don't know.......30......35 cents



and thats all i remember from the skit. it was funny as hell though. idk i think it was saturday night live from like, the 80's or something.
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Equivalent reparations for unethical behavior need to be dealt in a case to case basis. It's too complicated to come up with a fair atonement for every one of our wrongdoings.

But since this is a hypothetical I suppose a fair deal would be things such as helping others more, but then again I enjoy that so it does not really qualify as punishment....I guess something similar to Sisyphus. Dragging a rock up a hill only for it to descend the moment I reach the top, doing this over and over again. As for how long doing this? I dont know.



digs wrote:

We do not determin the punishment for our sins, God does. The Bible says that all sin is worthy of death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in* Christ Jesus our Lord.

I take comfort in knowing that Jesus is Greater than sin and forgives if we repent ^_^


Wait, so if every sin is worthy of death and stealing is a sin, why are you a member here? You watch videos that violate copyright laws, yes fansubs are illegal regardless of a work being licensed/unlicensed. Violating copyright laws is stealing, stealing is a sin, so basically you should die just for watching Bleach episodes, BUT wait you love Jesus and if you repent I guess it's ok.

Interesting system, no wonder religious people can play so many double standards.

The concept of sin always sounded so archaic to me. "if you break a moral rule, there is punishment, unless you repent"
What is use of such system? the fact someone repents does not mean that person has been reformed or treated.

If morality were that simple we would all be full of virtue by now.
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Forced to watch The Notebook for all eternity.
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mauz15 wrote:

Wait, so if every sin is worthy of death and stealing is a sin, why are you a member here? You watch videos that violate copyright laws, yes fansubs are illegal regardless of a work being licensed/unlicensed. Violating copyright laws is stealing, stealing is a sin, so basically you should die just for watching Bleach episodes, BUT wait you love Jesus and if you repent I guess it's ok.


The bible is not to be read literally. What was referred to as "death" was not being able to share the everlasting life after physical death.



The concept of sin always sounded so archaic to me. "if you break a moral rule, there is punishment, unless you repent"
What is use of such system? the fact someone repents does not mean that person has been reformed or treated.


But the ethical norms in Jesus’ morality do not constitute a morality of rules, rather a morality that includes laws. These exist in order to guide man to the good life. True that the person will not be reformed but Repenting causes man to feel remorse over what he has done.


From what I have learned in school. Be nice if you are going to answer mauz, I am not new here and I somehow know you


Fine, let's not take it literally, but that doesn't answer the central idea of my question.
Makes no sense to say every unethical action leads to the same outcome if the person does not repent, for not every violation is of equal degree nor the circumstances. If it was such a concrete system then I would be right in saying digs needs to stop watching videos here.
btw, I think digs believes the bible should be read literally...

Repenting causes remorse, so what? If the behavior that leads a person to be unethical is not properly treated, then who cares if that person repents? that person may truly feel remorse for what he did at that moment but so what? if the person is conditioned to break a norm again then he will likely do it again. No one as a kid says 'when i grow up i want to be a thief or a murderer' There is psychology in this, there is environmental factors that can mold a person to be prone to a certain behavior over others. Unless the form of punishment is "deterrent of reformatory" then this idea of keeping the sinner out of eternal life sounds primitive at best.

I'm basing this idea out of some philosophers that I have read. The most influential in my thought is Bertrand Russell and this is one of the things he said that is basically the point I was trying to get across.

The agnostic is not quite so certain as some Christians are as to what is good and what is evil. He does not hold, as most Christians in the past held, that people who disagree with the Government on abstruse points of theology ought to suffer a painful death. He is against persecution, and rather chary of moral condemnation.As for 'sin,' he thinks it not a useful notion. He admits, of course, that some kinds of conduct are desirable and some undesirable, but he holds that the punishment of undesirable kinds is only to be commended when it is deterrent or reformatory, not when it is inflicted because it is thought a good thing on its own account that the wicked should suffer. It was this belief in vindictive punishment that made men accept hell. This is part of the harm done by the notion of 'sin.

A lot of people read something and think they understand its content without even asking themselves if they know what the concepts written mean. People say 'oh that is a sin" well what is a sin exactly? then some say "when you break a moral law" well what is a moral law, and what is morality? I think ethics is something that needs to be taken with serious consideration, things are not as simple as

-dont do this
-you can do that
-if you do this you get this if you dont then you get that.
Sorry but it sounds like a child game.



well that is the goal of Christian Morality “Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect” (Mt 5:48).[


First of all, we cannot be as perfect as the "heavenly father'. It is the equivalent of me telling you, go as far as infinity. Where is 'as far as inifnity? yeah, not very useful of me telling you this.

The point is to love truth and the Good, doing good things because they are good in themselves. This has nothing to do with perfection.
Just because there is a certain goal, does not mean the method used to reach it is efficient, so what is your point?
I'm generally nice, maybe my tone sounds aggressive but I don't attack the person. I just tend to push the argument. =P

Posted 9/18/08
do the right thing and the rest will be forgiven.
I don't worry about my "sins", I think one should think about how to make it better in the future, I guess a good god would forgive you for the rest.
Posted 9/18/08



^ -_- gawd. I meet another wall here.

Was it hard to follow what I wrote?

The guys who were answering the general section version of this did better.
It's like I asked what color is blue and this guy, justaqestion (~macphapie), answered number 4.
And he still kept on going and going.
[nice trap I did there, huh? I knew it.]









So far, I like what mauz wrote in this forum. I appreciate that he recognizes what stuff I was mentioning. Thus, he wrote down what ideal punishment is equivalent to his sin... supposedly, but not literally.


MEMPHADON wrote:

god pays you $14.50 a day, and you have to pay for your sins.

so lets say a lie is worth $3.50. you die and go to heaven, and before you can enter you have to pay st. Peter: $3.50, $3.50, $3.50.....etc.

murder is like....200 bucks

masturbation is.......i don't know.......30......35 cents



and thats all i remember from the skit. it was funny as hell though. idk i think it was saturday night live from like, the 80's or something.

Let me guess. This person is in debt because he's a chronic masturbator. hahahahaha
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you don't need punishment, just realize what you are doing.
Posted 9/20/08
^ yea. that's fine. But are you still forgetting something? lul
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whatsome wrote:
The priest and penitent are in separate compartments and speak to each other through a grid or lattice. In there, a person can manage to blurt out all the things he/she made fault while, at the same time, these faults being mentioned are keep in confidential [the priest swears an oath to god not to reveal someone's fault to others].


Separate compartments/grid or lattice. Wut?
I've seen those on TV but at the church I used to go to, we didn't have those (I guess you can say I'm Catholic but I don't know if I consider myself that anymore). I had to go to confession a couple of years ago (6 years, I think) so I could receive communion but the priest and I just went kinda far away from where my parents and sister were. He told me to tell him all the bad things I'd done. I thought, "Really? You want me to look you straight in the face and tell you all the bad things I've done. No dice." I know they're not supposed to tell but still. Maybe if I didn't have to look at him I would have told him. I know it's bad but I didn't trust him so I just made some stuff up. Yea, I lied in God's house. Get over it LMAO. I just told him I called my sister names and pulled her hair.

As far as what my punishment should be for the sins I've committed... I don't know. Just something bad like, stoning. Stoning but not allowed to die, if that makes sense.
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