Post Reply Wanna Whine for subs? Then Help out.
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If you have a clue... Flower Rain does the subs for this series... You can find them here.

http://flowerrainsubs.blogspot.com/

is asking for QCers and translators. If you can't donate your time to reading through and checking everything is timed right, edited right and translated right, I have some harsh words for you.

Shut up.

Quality checking even for those who never encountered a foreign language in their life isn't that hard. You just have to make sure the sound lines up to the voices, you make sure that the english makes sense in the subtitles and if you know any Chinese, you clean up translations, though the last one is hardly necessary.

Translators too... (If you can't translate.. maybe you know someone who can)

Or even volunteer to be a straight editor.

Either you help or you shut up.

You want English subs? You help out.

You want to get it uploaded faster, ask Flower Rain's heads if they will directly upload it to Crunchyroll after you *help* finish the subtitles. Because after you help with doing subtitles you should realize how hard it really is and you won't be begging for them.

And personally, if you use their link to whine more and not help out, I hope people will join me in calling you an idiot.
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Hitsuji wrote:

You want to get it uploaded faster, ask Flower Rain's heads if they will directly upload it to Crunchyroll after you *help* finish the subtitles. Because after you help with doing subtitles you should realize how hard it really is and you won't be begging for them.

And personally, if you use their link to whine more and not help out, I hope people will join me in calling you an idiot.



I'd just like to take the time since this is in discussion to let everyone know that FR does not approve streaming videos in any form and they are in the process of taking this series off streaming websites. If you want to watch this episode please respect the fan sub group by doing as they request. It says on the video itself you are not aloud to stream these fan subs (I know because Jen has been ranting about crunchyroll and other places like dailymotion). I'm a sub titler at FR and I don't like the fact that people are bluntly ignoring our wishes.
^__^ just a memo from FR
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Posted 12/16/08

matsumoto wrote:


Hitsuji wrote:

You want to get it uploaded faster, ask Flower Rain's heads if they will directly upload it to Crunchyroll after you *help* finish the subtitles. Because after you help with doing subtitles you should realize how hard it really is and you won't be begging for them.

And personally, if you use their link to whine more and not help out, I hope people will join me in calling you an idiot.



I'd just like to take the time since this is in discussion to let everyone know that FR does not approve streaming videos in any form and they are in the process of taking this series off streaming websites.
If you want to watch this episode please respect the fan sub group by doing as they request. It says on the video itself you are not aloud to stream these fan subs (I know because Jen has been ranting about crunchyroll and other places like dailymotion). I'm a sub titler at FR and I don't like the fact that people are bluntly ignoring our wishes.
^__^ just a memo from FR

I believe FR messaged the side about the ULing. So I private messaged that member back to contact Crunchyroll around episode 3. (You can click through the archives) and apparently that person just came here to complain, not to resolve it. If you want to resolve it, message Crunchyroll proper instead of ranting.

The difference between a "victim" and a survivor, a policy maker, political activist, activist is that the victim whines about all the troubles of the world while accepting their fate looking for sympathy, and an activist, etc, takes action to change those policies. Consider this food for thought, especially since I don't upload the episodes.

So which are you going to be since one of your members had the power back at Episode 3 and did absolutely nothing about it? I even gave them the link and people to contact, even if I don't belong to crunchyroll. I assumed since no action was taken they really didn't mind... If they really, really don't mind do something about it.
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If you look at the history of FR it almost went away for a few months. We're in the process of talking this through with crunchyroll. Evidently they put our fansubs under those that can be uploaded with create to us, however on our videos it said otherwise. I'm not sure what happened but we're trying to figure it out. JenEm runs FR but that does not mean she has an account on crunchyroll (which she does not have). If you would like to contract them go through e-mail not crunchyroll.
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I did not say it was your leader. I said it was a member of your staff because they claimed it was and I quote them, "our subs" so I was the one that messaged them as soon as I saw it. Meaning that it was a hit and run. Does that mean this member, whomever they were, was your leader? Nope, but they did claim to be part of your team.

They could have lied too. That's true. But if they felt that bent out about it, I believed that the links I directed them to would resolve it. When nothing happened, I figured that you, as a group, didn't mind. I did not actively upload any episode, but since nothing was reported and no one continued to report it month after month, that it didn't matter. Perhaps this member was negligible too or left without telling you guys they did a hit and run. Either way, it's in the archives and I chose to PM them.

Since, as you see I'm neither staff member of crunchyroll nor the uploader, and nothing happened, I took no palatable action towards that direction. I just dislike whiners who take no action towards the goal they want. So I'd be a bystander here.

I don't like people who whine for episodes of any show to be uploaded faster than possible.

I don't like people who whine and complain to subbing groups to sub faster when they won't time, edit, Q/C or translate themselves.

I don't like people who demand episodes to exist when they don't exist.

And I really dislike people when they whine and don't take action towards an important goal. That was simply my position. The best I can do in any case is telling people to shut up and *do* something about whatever they are whining about instead of whining about it. If you aren't going to do anything about it, then just shut up... Takes a lot less energy to do so. And that's the only role I've played thus far.

So as a regular member who tried to inform a team member way back and two different ones that claimed to be part of your team to boot on who to contact, and ways to do it, who were on crunchyroll, that's my only role. I'm not getting in the middle of other users v. subbers. Just if you believe in something, dammit, do something about it instead of ranting and bitching. <-- that was my position. Because in my experience people who bitch near the streamed vids, soon bitch to the subbers and don't do anything about it. And that's a pain for everyone.

I am glad you guys are taking action towards resolving this in a civil manner. Better than the list of whiner out on the main part of this whining about uploads, subs, etc.
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OOOH, brava! brava! this is a very awesome discussion, and i agree with Hitsuji. Whining helps no one. I've helped with Subs being editor, translator, timer, etc. for vids and anime, and i've also helped with cleaning mangas being typesetter, cleaner, publisher, raw provider, etc. It's very hard to get chapters published because of all the work involved, and it's harder to provide vids episodes and anime episodes with subs. So, if you aren't willing to help out, please, don't whine and just wait patiently. A lot of volunteers are working their butt off to provide you, the lazies and the incapable, with the materials.
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