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Open Source VS...well not Open Source
Posted 9/19/08
Well, if anybody here does anything with computers besides go to CR, you probably know what Open Source is. If you don't, its basically releasing the source code for programs and things you make. Now, while that may not sound all that great, Open Source is one of the most amazing things ever. Imagine this,

You are using a program. It's a AWESOME program, but it's missing something! It's missing something REALLY cool, that could make this perfect! Well, if it's not Open Source, you can ask the developers, and hope really hard they listen. But if it is Open Source, you can simply go into the code, and add whatever it is your thinking off.

That's the true magic of open source programs, if you want it, make it. It allows for millions of users around the world, to build and expand on programs, all for free, creating great products. Of course, sometimes this isn't plausible for company's...who well want to make money. Releasing there Source Code is basically saying "Free stuff!" But, yeah, do you prefer bought stuff or Open Source freeware?

Also, for OS's, do you prefer Linux (which is open source), Windows (an amazing OS in itself) or OSX (for nubcakes lololololol) I personally like Linux and Windows, and each for different task. That just means, I can set them up for dual boot, and choose to boot Linux or Windows each time I turn on my computer But yeah, if the Computer God said I could only have one, I would have to choose Windows. The reason is Microsoft offers great C++ and other C language development tools, which, if you ever attempted to make a game whatsoever, you know is God of Programing. (Well, I guess if your doing something else, Java would be your go to man, like making Web Applications or games) But yeah, just curious as to what's your stance's on that and why.
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Posted 9/19/08
I don't know much about computers, but if everyone can edit something then wouldn't that cause it to become screwed up eventually if everyone just keeps adding and removing stuff? (Wikipedia, anyone?)
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Posted 9/22/08

Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't know much about computers, but if everyone can edit something then wouldn't that cause it to become screwed up eventually if everyone just keeps adding and removing stuff? (Wikipedia, anyone?)

Thats why theres "Open Source Projects" which you have to join up.
Your not adding everything to one, they make versions and its discussion on what should be added.

If its paid closed-source then you get what developers give you.
Open-source its what the fans give you, which can be more reliable as developers have to worry about costs, deadlines and all that stuff that the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about as much.
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The reason open-source hasn't really taken off as well as people have hoped is due to economy and all that jazz. As software writers need to earn money and having the code open is just revealing their secrets and somebody could copy or change the idea slightly and use it to their content.
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Useful terminology for some people.

I'm not programmer but I know alot of people who are so I pick up these basic things.

I think that this is more of a poll at the moment rather than a discussion. I was expecting to be asked what you think is good about each one? But seems its just a poll placed in the wrong section.
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Posted 9/22/08

Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't know much about computers, but if everyone can edit something then wouldn't that cause it to become screwed up eventually if everyone just keeps adding and removing stuff? (Wikipedia, anyone?)


Wikipedia is not as bad as people thing in fact it as less mistakes on real topic then most book encyclopedias
the only thing it is not good for are anime/Shows because it is not suppose to give you details of the show just the points that make it note worthy and most of it is not.
such as charcter pages are not what it is for unless that are a significant part of anime as a whole not just 1 show
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Posted 9/23/08

Sleepneeded127 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't know much about computers, but if everyone can edit something then wouldn't that cause it to become screwed up eventually if everyone just keeps adding and removing stuff? (Wikipedia, anyone?)


Wikipedia is not as bad as people thing in fact it as less mistakes on real topic then most book encyclopedias
the only thing it is not good for are anime/Shows because it is not suppose to give you details of the show just the points that make it note worthy and most of it is not.
such as charcter pages are not what it is for unless that are a significant part of anime as a whole not just 1 show


Ah thought you were refering to Open Source itself.
As for wikipedia, it does get edited and truth does sometimes become twisted.
Its the reason why at school/college/uni/work they expect you to normally get more than one source to back up the evidence.

I mean one article I've read on wiki was constantly being rewritten as I was trying to get information for an assignment.
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Posted 9/24/08
Uhhh god..... how can I say I like the idea but I have a problem with the implementation. I guess my main problem with open source is that just like any commercial application any cool features you might want to add are subject to the approval of whoever "technically" owns the project. Part of open source is the fact that users are allowed to add components. Don't get me wrong I want to make sure these applications are secure. But at the same time, I may have some small secure patch that would make the program that much cooler, but the corporate overlord who owns the project can just say "No this is worthless" and my mod will never see the light of day, unless of course I offer a rebuild of the project on my own. My second major problem with open source, well it is in C and C++. And lets be honest here who has ever just complied an open source application and have it work? Most of the time the amount of effort one has to put into getting the code into a compilable state takes all the fight out of me, god damned makefiles. So I guess I have to say I can swing either way.... sorry I kind of lost my train of thought
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Posted 9/24/08
I don't quite get the "vs" part...what is the benefit of not open source? Other than an economic one to the developer?
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Posted 9/26/08
Closed Source means the code is practically hidden from other developers, so it effects copying issues.
Also closed-source isn't open so security is harder to break as your not presenting the whole thing for the world to see I suppose.
Posted 9/26/08

Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't know much about computers, but if everyone can edit something then wouldn't that cause it to become screwed up eventually if everyone just keeps adding and removing stuff? (Wikipedia, anyone?)


For Open Source things, you get this release. It's like, a main thing, the original thing. Everybody is free to change it and give people there own, but you still always have this main thing that is untouched for anybody to change. Tried not to use any technical terms so I hope you get that lol. As for Open Source projects like Wiki, most information about things on there is accurate, if it isn't your IP is banned and its edited to be correct. Besides, you do realize people write encyclopedia's, people like the dudes who go to wiki and write stuff lol.
Posted 9/26/08

anti-freeze wrote:

Uhhh god..... how can I say I like the idea but I have a problem with the implementation. I guess my main problem with open source is that just like any commercial application any cool features you might want to add are subject to the approval of whoever "technically" owns the project. Part of open source is the fact that users are allowed to add components. Don't get me wrong I want to make sure these applications are secure. But at the same time, I may have some small secure patch that would make the program that much cooler, but the corporate overlord who owns the project can just say "No this is worthless" and my mod will never see the light of day, unless of course I offer a rebuild of the project on my own. My second major problem with open source, well it is in C and C++. And lets be honest here who has ever just complied an open source application and have it work? Most of the time the amount of effort one has to put into getting the code into a compilable state takes all the fight out of me, god damned makefiles. So I guess I have to say I can swing either way.... sorry I kind of lost my train of thought


Dude, Open Source is just the source code is released. If something that is Open Source in C++ is released, your just given the information to compile it, and you can study it and do what you want with it. If it's Open Source, and your not like profiting off of it, you can do whatever you want to it and nobody can say anything. And I have complied stuff in C++ lol.
Posted 9/26/08

zendude wrote:

Well non open source, like MS Word 2007 and Photoshop, cost money. The target is usually business and professional, not the individual normal average consumer.

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- I use GIMP, an open source program, the poor man's Photoshop. To me, I don't know the difference between CMYK colors and the PANTONE swatches. I just want to edit picture for the hell of it.
- People would rather pirate CS Photoshop than using GIMP. CS Photoshop is a high class program that not even the professional utilize 50% of the features and such. So a normal, non professional, person wouldn't have much use for CS Photoshop, except probably use it to edit photos and to mess around it.
- Programs like Open Office and GIMP is more than enough for a regular person for everyday practical needs when compared to MS Word 2007, which actually got more complicated.
- For the OS, I would still have to pick Windows, as Linux is kind to confusing for me.
- I see potential in Open Source programs, and I hope that it grows so we don't have to be shackled by the likes of Microsoft or other big cooperation.

Favorite Open Source Programs:
GIMP, Open Office, VLC, and Audacity


I love VLC, and as for GIMP, as a artist who is doing a lot of crap with it, I can say that it's comparable to PS. There's not much you can't do in GIMP that you can do in PS. Just because something is Open Soruce doesn't mean it can't stand up to commercial product's...like Blender! That's like, a professional level Open Source 3D design software right there.
Posted 9/26/08

FlavorAmazing wrote:

I don't quite get the "vs" part...what is the benefit of not open source? Other than an economic one to the developer?


Er...I guess I was saying it in a way where I could compare them kinda? Er..yeah...no clue lol.
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Posted 9/29/08 , edited 9/29/08

dmitsuki wrote:

Dude, Open Source is just the source code is released. If something that is Open Source in C++ is released, your just given the information to compile it, and you can study it and do what you want with it. If it's Open Source, and your not like profiting off of it, you can do whatever you want to it and nobody can say anything. And I have complied stuff in C++ lol.
Yeah well my problem with current open source is the very fact that you have to spend time researching how to compile everything. Back when open source was first created it was grab the source code and run ./configure and make and make install. Now you have to spend time configuring the system, and then maybe you can get the software to work... maybe. While I would love to go through and tweak my version of OpenOffice. The time I would have to spend to get a working version on my system would not be worth it.... granted I do have a mac so that kind of complicates things.


zendude wrote:
Points:
- I use GIMP, an open source program, the poor man's Photoshop. To me, I don't know the difference between CMYK colors and the PANTONE swatches. I just want to edit picture for the hell of it.
Correction, Paintshop Pro has earned the name of the Poor Mans Photoshop. Because unlike Gimp it can actually do most of the stuff that Photoshop can. And it is several hundred dollars cheaper.
Posted 9/29/08

anti-freeze wrote:


dmitsuki wrote:

Dude, Open Source is just the source code is released. If something that is Open Source in C++ is released, your just given the information to compile it, and you can study it and do what you want with it. If it's Open Source, and your not like profiting off of it, you can do whatever you want to it and nobody can say anything. And I have complied stuff in C++ lol.
Yeah well my problem with current open source is the very fact that you have to spend time researching how to compile everything. Back when open source was first created it was grab the source code and run ./configure and make and make install. Now you have to spend time configuring the system, and then maybe you can get the software to work... maybe. While I would love to go through and tweak my version of OpenOffice. The time I would have to spend to get a working version on my system would not be worth it.... granted I do have a mac so that kind of complicates things.


zendude wrote:
Points:
- I use GIMP, an open source program, the poor man's Photoshop. To me, I don't know the difference between CMYK colors and the PANTONE swatches. I just want to edit picture for the hell of it.
Correction, Paintshop Pro has earned the name of the Poor Mans Photoshop. Because unlike Gimp it can actually do most of the stuff that Photoshop can. And it is several hundred dollars cheaper.


Dude, you can get Open Source EXE's, or if you wanted to you could get the Source Code to stick it in a compiler and configure it.

Also, have you ever used gimp? Work's like Photoshop for me, and it cost me about 0 bucks.
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Posted 9/30/08

dmitsuki wrote:

Dude, you can get Open Source EXE's, or if you wanted to you could get the Source Code to stick it in a compiler and configure it.

Also, have you ever used gimp? Work's like Photoshop for me, and it cost me about 0 bucks.
No worries I do use open source software. The only real opposition I have to it is the difficulty I have when compiling it that is all. I tend to use Precompiled binaries. It is just annoying that on unix systems I have to get precompiled binaries in order to have a stable program.

Yeah I enjoy GIMP for some stuff, but the problem I have with it is I cannot draw images, I can only modify them.

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