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Posted 4/13/08 , edited 4/21/08

Eudd wrote:


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China's actually developing into Capitalism, but they wouldn't admit it.


What the hell you mean they won't "admit" it. It's open publicity. I don't think you know what you're talking about?


Ironically, China has developed into the type of economy that Karl Marx was explicitly fighting against: the masses of poor forced to work themselves to the bone to be perpetually in debt to the uber-rich minority, never to be given opportunity.
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s7rugg1e wrote:
Ironically, China has developed into the type of economy that Karl Marx was explicitly fighting against: the masses of poor forced to work themselves to the bone to be perpetually in debt to the uber-rich minority, never to be given opportunity.


Was that even relevant to what I've stated? No, I don't really think so. I was implying China's open publicity on it's capitalism, but you're trying to lecture me about some Karl Marx's idea.
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BashingHammer wrote:


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ailin350 wrote:
Please understand this: the Culture Revolution occurred because of the president of China at that time, Mao. His ideas were wrong and yes, it caused the loss of lives. But, what you need to understand is that no one was supportive towards Mao and the entire government only followed what Mao asked them to do. Those people were being brain washed by Mao and I don’t think you can say it was the Chinese government’s fault.


I'm sorry, but your statement is completely contradictory. There is no need to be an apologist for Mao or the Chinese government, they are one and the same. Their ideals are still based on the little red book, and therefore still based on Mao. The only difference is that the USSR and North Korea proved that communism does not work in the era of globalized commerce, so they bend the rules a bit to allow free commerce to an extent. They change the rules for money, but they still rule with an iron fist.

The result will go one way or another: they will have to oppress the rural or the urban element to keep control, and there is already extensive rioting happening in China. Communist China will not last much longer.


The only reason why Mao came into existence is because Japan's fucking imperialism. But thankfully, it's island got atomic bombed into little shitty pieces, and the Chinese were able to drive the desecraters back.


Not true. Stalin was more responsible for Mao's "victory" over Chang Kai-shek than the Japanese were, considering it took Mao more than 4 years for Kai-shek to be driven to the only free part of China, Taiwan.
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Eudd wrote:


s7rugg1e wrote:
Ironically, China has developed into the type of economy that Karl Marx was explicitly fighting against: the masses of poor forced to work themselves to the bone to be perpetually in debt to the uber-rich minority, never to be given opportunity.


Was that even relevant to what I've stated? No, I don't really think so. I was implying China's open publicity on it's capitalism, but you're trying to lecture me about some Karl Marx's idea.


Well, I think my point is that it really isn't capitalism, it's class slavery.
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Heh...anyone know what year it is? I believe its 2008...

Communism is 1900's...its time to move on...

Right now China is slowly to be considered a super power, and the US is slowly fcuking up...

On the subject of food...I noticed that Americans usually are the most picky. Food is food, and its something that relieves hunger..thats all there is to it.
Posted 4/13/08 , edited 4/21/08

s7rugg1e wrote:


Eudd wrote:


s7rugg1e wrote:
Ironically, China has developed into the type of economy that Karl Marx was explicitly fighting against: the masses of poor forced to work themselves to the bone to be perpetually in debt to the uber-rich minority, never to be given opportunity.


Was that even relevant to what I've stated? No, I don't really think so. I was implying China's open publicity on it's capitalism, but you're trying to lecture me about some Karl Marx's idea.


Well, I think my point is that it really isn't capitalism, it's class slavery.


Good job. You have the creativity and intellect to think up a new name for China's economy. How very pensive of you. Would you lecture me more?
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cbisram wrote:


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Can someone tell me about the Falun Gong? what is it and what do they do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong



KuRRopT wrote:

they are against the Chinese government methinks.

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they stand outside the chinese embassy over here, and force their ideals down your throat.

ease up there comrade, the horrendous torture and suppression they have been subjected to by the chinese gov't is inexcusable and barbaric.


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Um... What? Did I say anything about Mao's victory over Jiang Jie Shi at all? I'm talking about Japan's fucking imperalism that influenced Mao's nationalism even more. China's one of the most powerful countries in the world right now. You say China wouldn't last any longer. How much is "longer"? 50 years? 100 years? I don't know, you tell me, with your superb spectulation. Maybe we should just seize Japan. Wait, I forgot. Japan is "protected" by the United States. "Damn".


I'd give China about 4 years. And I doubt China could even seize Taiwan. Their one aircraft carrier (bought from Russia) would last about 5 minutes before getting blown in half by a missile from an Aegis. Japan would be impossible to seize simply because of the Self-Defense force. Again, any transport ship could be knocked out by phoenix missiles and the F-22 would kill any plane before it had a chance to move. Hell, it went 25-0 against American F-14/15s, which are still ahead of the Russian junk that China buys. China doesn't have any trump card but nukes, and even those are becoming obsolete. We'll have a jet that shoots them down from thousands of miles away with a laser, for gosh sakes.

I'd be more worried about the 50 million some troops that are waiting in bases that are being bombed long range by strike jets that don't show up on their aging SAMs. They would not like to be sitting ducks, and they'd probably realize that rebelling would actually be their best option. After all, most of them use the internet and are not too happy with their government.

Or you could just type in "riot china" into google and see what has been going on in China lately. People aren't happy with their gov't anymore. People in America aren't happy with their gov't, but we're not unhappy enough to riot. Not so with China.
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Eudd wrote:


Good job. You have the creativity and intellect to think up a new name for China's economy. How very pensive of you. Would you lecture me more?


I tend to abhor being prolix, so If you want any more of my wisdom, please email me with a question!
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The "Truth" is if it wasnt for Mao, China wouldn't be rising so fast economically, and he improved the living condition and freedom of the people. His view may be wrong right now, but bak then it was a decent ideaology.
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The "Truth" is if it wasnt for Mao, China wouldn't be rising so fast economically, and he improved the living condition and freedom of the people. His view may be wrong right now, but bak then it was a decent ideaology.


Now this is a serious misstatement. Please read any objective biography of Mao to disprove this. Mao's whole spiel was a lot like the .com startups at the end of the 90's that went bankrupt. All ideology and no capital.

The "great leap forward" killed millions of peasants, and the cultural revolution killed millions of intellectuals, usually put to death by their own students and kids. It wasnt until the Chinese realized that Communism itself was going bankrupt that they put their peasants to the wheel to make plastic stuff for the rest of the world at extremely low prices. That worked, but it won't work forever.
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june_151996 wrote:

China's actually developing into Capitalism, but they wouldn't admit it.


What the hell you mean they won't "admit" it. It's open publicity. I don't think you know what you're talking about?


It's open, but the government kept saying they were Communists.
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Heh...anyone know what year it is? I believe its 2008...

Communism is 1900's...its time to move on...

Right now China is slowly to be considered a super power, and the US is slowly fcuking up...

On the subject of food...I noticed that Americans usually are the most picky. Food is food, and its something that relieves hunger..thats all there is to it.


i totally agree..... its pointless to argue over something that has happened so long.....

visit china's cities for once in your lifetime at the very least and you'll realise how well developed their cities are now compared to that 50 years back... it is certain not easy for a country of china's size to be able to provide the basic necessities to a large population. try formulating something better than what they have done to improve the standard of the lives of their people will ya if anybody wishes to criticise what they have done to raise the standard of living? everybody can criticise anything under the sun but are they able to provide better solutions to these problems? I believe if time is better spent suggesting feasible and better solutions to the problems we are currently facing rather than arguing over something trivial as this.....

US financial sector is seriously in deep trouble with write downs like US$22 billion for citigroup and the need for JP Morgan and the fed to recuse bear stearns.
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I find the state of human rights in China to be appauling, especially with the recent Tibet protests. China is a very industrious society as can be seen very clearly. I also notice that they are capitalizing more and more as the years progress. I only hope one day the poverty of some areas will go down and they will have more rights.
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wow loats of racial and prejudice questions and answers here. but i feel that some people in here are being too overdramatic and to concern about thing that already seems arrelevant to answer and the people that answers the questions if they don't know thw answer then just explain it nicely, the way you guys say it in the thread it's really stupidly and immature. like if someone asked me the dog question i'll be like yes, want to join? or somnething like that.
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china was corrupt before communism. its size rendered it almost impossible to govern from a single point, hence the problem with corrupt governers, bribery etc. my worry is that increasing its wealth doesnt necessarily mean better lives for a large number of its people.
bribery and corruption has been a huge part of chinese culture for thousands of years. to the point where even the system of chinese gods mirrors the structure and workings of the imperial court prior to communism.
people even bribe the 'kitchen god' with sweet food once a year so when he goes up to heaven to report to the heavenly emperor he only has sweet things to say about them.
the problem with communism is that its good in theory, but it doesnt work in practice. and corrupt people will be corrupt regardless of the political structure because its in their nature to want to help themselves by climbing over other people. replacing communism with capitalism wont necessarily solve the problem if you then have a whole lot of corrupt capitalists.
changing the way china is ruled wont necessaily change their culture and way of thinking.

may i stress of course that in terms of percentages the majority of chinese people arent corrupt. and also that certain types of corruption are probably so old that its probablly just seen as a way of life.
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is it true that they eat fetus in order to stay young?
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is it true that they eat fetus in order to stay young?


long long long time ago and in very very very rare cases...

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i love china
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