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Muslims.Are They Self-Destructive
Posted 9/24/08
From: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=101678&d=25&m=9&y=2007&pix=opinion.jpg&category=Opinion


Why Are We Muslims So Self-Destructive?
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, The Independent

At an iftar (breaking of fast) gathering last week, Rahim, a handsome young Muslim doctor and I chatted about this and that, and the end of our world: “Do you think refined and educated Muslims will survive this century? Or will we become extinct? I feel I don’t know who I am any more. My parents, too, say the same. Barbaric Muslims are stronger than us, more stupid and ignorant, but stronger, you know.”

You hear these outpourings of grief and hopelessness a lot these days. Ignorance is not bliss, it is oblivion, wrote the American novelist Philip Wylie. Ill-educated, volatile, easily led, despised by millions, Muslims the world over are falling into that void — into oblivion. Some are and will be annihilated by external foes and enemies within, including the demon cheerleaders inside the heads of suicide bombers, but many more will be consumed by their own terror of the modern world.

Look today at India and Pakistan, neighbors, twin nations with identical histories and values. While the former is poised to challenge the economic and cultural power of the West, the latter is imploding and joins the ever-growing club of failed Muslim states. India has shameful problems — extreme poverty, corruption, greed, the caste system, Islamophobia and misogynist cultural practices — but, unlike Pakistan, it also has a free press and democracy, and its population understands the importance of education and enlightenment.

Come to our isles and the same stark contrast emerges. British Asians of Indian background (including Muslims from India) are top of the league tables in schools, universities, business and the professions. They are mentally agile, inquisitive, and encouraged to strive by their families. With some individual exceptions, British Muslims of Pakistani and Bangladeshi backgrounds languish at the bottom of all indicator tables. It is heartbreaking.

Some of this failure to catch up is to do with discrimination, no doubt about that. Some, though, is the result of self-limitation. In the past decade, there has been a sharp increase in British Muslims entering higher and further education, but even this good news has a depressing undertow. In nearly all universities in this country, including the elite establishments, there are cells of well-organized Muslim obscurantists who entice or bully fellow Muslim scholars seeking to liberate their minds.

They write to me, bright and ambitious students who feel spied on, coerced, hounded and tormented because they do not wear a hijab, or are seen meeting diverse mates in the student union bars, or choose “haram” subjects such as creative writing, art, drama or even European languages. One young Muslim woman at the LSE actually had a novel snatched from her hand, and says she was then held and harangued by her hijabi assailant who left a bruise on her arm. I pity both. What makes a university undergraduate this appallingly afraid of fiction? Who got into her head to distort it so?

It wasn’t always thus. The fanatics who want to take us into their version of the holy past don’t know and don’t care about inconvenient truths. Allah commands us to seek knowledge and intellectual engagement. The best of past Muslim civilizations nurtured inquiry, debate, love, desire, words, music, dance, art, philosophy, science and beauty. The effusive Michael Wood’s BBC program on the Mogul Emperor Akbar last week was a wonderful reminder of that enlightened period of our history. Today, creative, imaginative, dissenting and innovative Muslims have to wear virtual body armor, hunker down, just in case someone decides to get offended (and someone always does), inciting an uproar on the web, on the media, on the streets bringing out the mobs in Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, South Africa, Somalia and on and on. Inevitably some die for a cause they never really understood and the restless army of discontents shuffles off until the next noisy and bloody march.

I know of talented painters and poets in Pakistan who have just given up or fled. Arab artists, activists and thinkers unafraid of the truth are in actual prisons or enclosed behind limitations built by their fearful societies.

Explosive episodes are always gathering round the corner. We witnessed the organized outrage over the Channel 4 programs exposing some of the vile imams still controlling some mosques. The film of Khaled Hosseini’s novel The Kite Runner, about a young boy in Afghanistan, is causing much anger. One of the pivotal scenes involves a homosexual rape of a Shiite boy. They won’t have that, it is a slur, an insult. Muslims don’t do such things. The same protests met Monica Ali’s novel Brick Lane, in which a young Bangladeshi wife in Tower Hamlets has an affair. Muslims don’t do such things etc, etc. Of course there is no rape and adultery in our countries, those are bad “Western” behaviors. The controversy will be reheated when the film of Brick Lane is released in a few weeks.

Now, I didn’t rate the book much; the film, which I have been sent pre-release, actually moved me more. The more voluble East End Bangladeshis are not bothered about considered judgments of literary or critical merit. They will cry foul because the story taints their honor and culture, it reflects back to them what they would rather not see.

When cultures get this coarse, they can only give rise to the worst, most unaccountable and violent leaders. This is what we see all through the Muslim world. In good societies, people build up sense and sensibilities, acquire communication skills, learn intelligent engagement with written and spoken words and with diverse views, open their minds to new ideas and images. And the formally uneducated are as capable of this expansiveness as those with degrees.

The poorest Londoners loved Dickens, and he changed the way they imagined their lives; peasants were drawn to Gandhi because he helped them break out of mental bondage.

These men brought political and personal awakening to the rough and wretched, and enabled them to understand subtleties and nuances and what it is to be human. Britain and India have strong democracies because their populations have been acculturated and sensitized over centuries. In Muslim states and communities, you find the people fast becoming deculturalized and desensitized; shutting down and withdrawing into paranoia.

I write this not to encourage Islamophobes, but because I care. Ramadan is a time for sober reflection. It should bring peace, but doesn’t. Many of us tremble with trepidation at the bleak future ahead. The savages are taking over and, as Rahim says, they are stronger and will drag all the faithful down into the pits of hell.







Posted 9/24/08


and this will just bring religion issues =__='

on topic: i don't know, never met one in real life . . .
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A_D_E25 wrote:

Barbaric Muslims are stronger than us, more stupid and ignorant, but stronger, you know.


I'm a Muslim, and I think that sentence pretty much summed it all up.
Extremists get more press attention than moderates, so we have to bear the brunt of all what they do.
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A_D_E25 wrote:

Barbaric Muslims are stronger than us, more stupid and ignorant, but stronger, you know.


I'm a Muslim, and I think that sentence pretty much summed it all up.
Extremists get more press attention than moderates, so we have to bear the brunt of all what they do.


Not to mention that those fanatics often (if not always) use the Islamic religion and twist it for their own purposes and in turn causes followers to be swayed blindly that their cause is for the "greater good". The civilized Muslim people are also susceptible to fearing their violence if they don't support such cause as well.
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Not to mention that those fanatics often (if not always) use the Islamic religion and twist it for their own purposes and in turn causes followers to be swayed blindly that their cause is for the "greater good". The civilized Muslim people are also susceptible to fearing their violence if they don't support such cause as well.


True, some people are pressured by others to adopt a more hardline Islamic stance than what they are comfortable with. I never taken the bait though.
I am a moderate. I don't believe in shouting about religion from the rooftops. I'd rather spend that time praying to God instead of shouting slogans. Religion is a personal matter not a public one.
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Religion is a personal matter not a public one.


i agreee 110%
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CrashAriMP5N2O wrote:

Not to mention that those fanatics often (if not always) use the Islamic religion and twist it for their own purposes and in turn causes followers to be swayed blindly that their cause is for the "greater good". The civilized Muslim people are also susceptible to fearing their violence if they don't support such cause as well.


True, some people are pressured by others to adopt a more hardline Islamic stance than what they are comfortable with. I never taken the bait though.
I am a moderate. I don't believe in shouting about religion from the rooftops. I'd rather spend that time praying to God instead of shouting slogans. Religion is a personal matter not a public one.


That's the time when you can say the things they are preaching is something much more associated to the words of a politician than the words of a cleric.
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That's the time when you can say the things they are preaching is something much more associated to the words of a politician than the words of a cleric.


I had a classmate whose dad was an Imam. He used to tell me all about how many of these hardline Imams should not be trusted and spoke at length over the double standards they had in many issues especially in banking laws. Thanks to him, I know better than to blindly follow any fatwa issued by any obscure cleric.
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Erehe wrote:

That's the time when you can say the things they are preaching is something much more associated to the words of a politician than the words of a cleric.


I had a classmate whose dad was an Imam. He used to tell me all about how many of these hardline Imams should not be trusted and spoke at length over the double standards they had in many issues especially in banking laws. Thanks to him, I know better than to blindly follow any fatwa issued by any obscure cleric.


I got that idea on the other hand when my friend asked me Why were the Muslims blaming and condemning the Americans over the comics of Muhammad when those comics came from Denmark, then he explained to me the nature of most Imams in the Middle East who distort the news about current events to their own advantage.

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sounds to many things happen here, all around the world. at last we need to depend on our own. not necessarily we must follow the authorities, coz they also human like us but only 'trusted' to discuss and make decission on religion related probs..
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Erehe wrote:

I got that idea on the other hand when my friend asked me Why were the Muslims blaming and condemning the Americans over the comics of Muhammad when those comics came from Denmark, then he explained to me the nature of most Imams in the Middle East who distort the news about current events to their own advantage.



It's a shame, but if all Muslim countries follow the UAE's example, people would be more aware of things.
America is like the bogeyman for these imams anyway. They use te US as a tool for fearmongering and George Bush's foreign policy doesn't exactly help either.
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h4x0rz wrote:


Erehe wrote:

I got that idea on the other hand when my friend asked me Why were the Muslims blaming and condemning the Americans over the comics of Muhammad when those comics came from Denmark, then he explained to me the nature of most Imams in the Middle East who distort the news about current events to their own advantage.



It's a shame, but if all Muslim countries follow the UAE's example, people would be more aware of things.
America is like the bogeyman for these imams anyway. They use te US as a tool for fearmongering and George Bush's foreign policy doesn't exactly help either.


As long these corrupted Imams will remain, change would be impossible.
Posted 9/24/08
I guess one should apply some new laws about the whole process of becoming a cleric. I guess it's way too easy to become a cleric, since a lot of them seem to be rather undereducated. >.>

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A_D_E25 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

Religion is a personal matter not a public one.


i agreee 110%



lol no such thing as 110%
Posted 10/17/08
didn't bother to read the first post.Too long. o.0
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