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Since yall set up the soap box in this forum, I think it's time for me to lay some cash on this situation. Lemme just examine 2 quotes, and I'll basically sum up my interpretations, comments, etc.


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Good music doesn't ALWAYS need purpose.

There's also the feel good music that makes you dance.

Remember that some songs with a purpose....actually have a DEPRESSING purpose.



crasyjak wrote:

so why is it that most ppl are so hard on lack of certain substancial lyrical content, ie waffle26's opinion of 2pac having little complexity in his rhymes.
If i was a rapper i would rap about stuff i relate to...

politics- outta the question *snooze*
world peace- yeah i beleve thats gonna happen (sarcasm)
sexy women- hmmmmm i like those
sexy men- HELL the fuck NO
money- i like that too

My point is you can rap about bullshit all day and be Great at it i.e. Lil Wayne, just because you not spittin triple syllabal rhyme schemes about Congress & poverty doesnt make you garbage

I guess my main idea is complexity isnt the only thing or most important thing an artist should be judged on


Both these quotes basically state the mentality of how the fucking majority of the world today view good music, whether hip hop, r&b, or whatever else. I don't got a problem with that shit above...........obviously music with TOO MUCH substance (world peace, politics, etc.) will bore people to death. Obviously the mainstream audience likes it when u start flashing around money & hoes everywhere........I don't got a problem with that either.

The problem I have obviously stems from Marcell's comment, which is about his good music definition. I agree with Marcell's opinion...........to a fucking extent. That extent being....................................
when is it considered good music when there's a lack of understandable lyrics?
I mean think about it.........I understand that all the hip hop club shit back in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s isn't what you like to call a work of fucking genius. I mean, the lyrics to Big Poppa isn't a lyrical piece of work, nor is Jay Z's Hard Knock Life shit. But now we're in an era where the current definition of "feel good music" is where the lyrics don't have to make any fucking sense @ all. At least you were able to understand the lyrics of club bangers that were made by all them rappers back in the day..........but now we have shit like Soulja Boy and Hurricane Chris where they're throwing random words all over the place, and they don't make sense no matter how you put them together. To get off topic here, that's prolly the only thing I respect about Lil Wayne.......ghost-written rhymes or not, at least he knows how to organize his lyrics together in his fucking songs, unlike all these garbage ringtone artists of today. But anyway, seriously...........it's okay to have songs with no fucking purpose........but when the fuck is okay to have songs that make no fucking sense. We got some youngstas in here, hopefully they can answer this question for my ol' skool East Coast ass.
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as far as Mr AYE BAY BAY (i still dont know WTF that means, i even asked my homie from the N.O.) point is New Orlens people know (or at least think they know) what it mean

Does that make it anymore intellegent HELL NO
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crasyjak wrote:

as far as Mr AYE BAY BAY (i still dont know WTF that means, i even asked my homie from the N.O.) point is New Orlens people know (or at least think they know) what it mean

Does that make it anymore intellegent HELL NO


Ironically, "Superman Dat Hoe" has a meaning too as mentioned by several people all over the net. But still, that doesn't fucking justify the understandability of the damn lyrics.........it still don't make any god damn sense. I remember back in the day when they made songs that had lyrics that made no sense @ all, they all flopped within a fucking week (example, Ying Yang Twins' very first single in 1999 flopped within a week.........bet yall didn't know YY Twins first came out in '99)
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i did "whistle while u twerk" was all over the radios in houston

"Say Aye Ya Ya Ya" that was one of my favs back in the day too
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I knew about Ying Yang too, their songs were always played in Tampa since 99.

As far as what you said about my quote, big j, here's what I meant.


First of all I think Soulja Boy and Hurricane Chris are garbage.

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.
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Marcell2aG wrote:

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.


That was exactly my point as well..............I got YOUR perspective already, and I've also stated mine as well. I wanna see the perspective of the people that represent the mainstream youth now to see why the fuck they would rather listen to this shit............maybe then I can reach some revelation about this and understand why Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are making $$$ with no lyrics
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Marcell2aG wrote:

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.


That was exactly my point as well..............I got YOUR perspective already, and I've also stated mine as well. I wanna see the perspective of the people that represent the mainstream youth now to see why the fuck they would rather listen to this shit............maybe then I can reach some revelation about this and understand why Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are making $$$ with no lyrics


I feel you.

I would like to just ask all of the Soulja Boy and Hurricane Chris fans why they love their music so much. We can say whatever we want, but I'd like to hear it from them personally as well.


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Marcell2aG wrote:


big_j_gangsta wrote:


Marcell2aG wrote:

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.


That was exactly my point as well..............I got YOUR perspective already, and I've also stated mine as well. I wanna see the perspective of the people that represent the mainstream youth now to see why the fuck they would rather listen to this shit............maybe then I can reach some revelation about this and understand why Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are making $$$ with no lyrics


I feel you.

I would like to just ask all of the Soulja Boy and Hurricane Chris fans why they love their music so much. We can say whatever we want, but I'd like to hear it from them personally as well.




And when I mean some reasons...........not the usual ignorant ones that I always end up hearing from the idiots in the suburbs with the "he's the hottest shit in the club" type of crap...........I WANT SOME LEGIT REASONS to why you'd rather listen to this retarded ringtone shit over something like Jay Z would make
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i think it all boils down to personal preference & differences in taste of music, but feel free to explain
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Lol first of all real gangsters aint got no time to be on no computer thugging. Wtf you going to do drive by shoting with your keyboard? Get the fuck out of here I never respected net thugs man they all bunch of little kids in my eyes trying to be who they seen on tv or some kid they know at their school. But haha I must say this is the realest group on CR. I love the uncenshership we can say anything we want.
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big_j_gangsta wrote:


Marcell2aG wrote:

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.


That was exactly my point as well..............I got YOUR perspective already, and I've also stated mine as well. I wanna see the perspective of the people that represent the mainstream youth now to see why the fuck they would rather listen to this shit............maybe then I can reach some revelation about this and understand why Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are making $$$ with no lyrics


Thats because these lil kids aint never heard no good rap. Because the fucking radio stations blast this BULLSHIT ASS MUSIC EVERY FUCKING DAY NONE STOP. And then they want to say, "This is YOUR hip hop station." Seriously turn that shit on right now you probably here some one hit wonder on right now. So thats all they know when they listen to good hip hop they tune out because it bores them. Man my little niece is a product of this she doesnt know anything about biggie and pac but she loves that soulja boy.
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drizza wrote:


big_j_gangsta wrote:


Marcell2aG wrote:

But there are actually GOOD dance songs out there.

Then again, that is based on opinion.

This whole concept of "good music" itself is based on our own opinions. Some people want lyrics that mean a little something, some people want extremely lyrical stuff in music, some just don't give a fuck and want to dance.

To fully understand and make a valid statement, we have to see this from EVERY perspective, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like my shit to have at least SOME lyrics. But it's DEFINITELY gotta have a good beat to it. Since I make beats myself, I really pay attention to every detail.

I understand your statement and share many of your feelings big j. But we have to be omniscient if we wanna be viewed as hip hop experts.


That was exactly my point as well..............I got YOUR perspective already, and I've also stated mine as well. I wanna see the perspective of the people that represent the mainstream youth now to see why the fuck they would rather listen to this shit............maybe then I can reach some revelation about this and understand why Hurricane Chris and Soulja Boy are making $$$ with no lyrics


Thats because these lil kids aint never heard no good rap. Because the fucking radio stations blast this BULLSHIT ASS MUSIC EVERY FUCKING DAY NONE STOP. And then they want to say, "This is YOUR hip hop station." Seriously turn that shit on right now you probably here some one hit wonder on right now. So thats all they know when they listen to good hip hop they tune out because it bores them. Man my little niece is a product of this she doesnt know anything about biggie and pac but she loves that soulja boy.



Yeah man that can be depressing sometimes.

The younger generation should definitely get a taste of that old school shit EARLY.

The majority of the time, if you have them listen to it early, they'll develop a deeper respect for it.

That's how it is with me, even though I was born in the gangsta rap era.

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on a side note - i guess i have milk-boxed another crunchyroll user - its been 2 days & still no word from desfinies07
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crasyjak wrote:

on a side note - i guess i have milk-boxed another crunchyroll user - its been 2 days & still no word from desfinies07


Lol bro let bygones be bygones.(lol did i spell that shit right?)
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May i just sit down a discuss X-mas...........
Now I don't want to get into all this religious stuff but I just never understood the purpose of spending so much money on X-mas and the things that go with it? What is the spirit of X-mas......yes most believe the birth of Jesus but aside from that what does buying gifts have to do with it............maybe the symbolism of the gifts given to Jesus.....well Jesus didn't get what he wanted nor was he spoiled like some children today!
Where the hell did Santa Claus come from......he is just a horrible allusion in X-mas to kids.........why can't parents tell their kids that they bought the gift instead of believing in a fat man who comes down a chimney? What the hell does a X-mas tree have to do with anything, stockings, X-mas lights, and candy!

The holidays are just another way for America's retailers to take advantage.......we damn near have a holiday every damn month so we have an obligation to go buy some shit and get in debt..........for shame!
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