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Putting an end to prejudice?
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I thought up the idea for this thread while reading over the “Do you experience Racism for being Asian” thread. This, however, is a topic over racism in general. Toward all races. And not only racism, but all forms of prejudice. Rather it be sexism, or religious discrimination.
Personally I don’t think bigotry will ever be completely destroyed, but I think we can seriously mitigate its following.

Now, people are free to be prejudice if they like. Personally I hate it, but everyone is welcome to their own beliefs. However absurd they may seem to me, I cannot rightfully tell somebody that racism is wrong and then be angered at someone else for telling me, “Racism is right.” That would be hypocritical. Living in Oklahoma City I’ve been caught up in racism many-a-times. Race wars are constantly being fought on the streets. This being said the following statement is out of my own experience: Telling a racist person that racism is wrong will only make them more adamant toward their opinion. Going up to a Christian hater and preaching God to him will only push him further away. Trying to argue with a sexist will only make them more determined.

Honestly if you ask my racism is nothing more than a form of ignorance. Ignorance is a plague, and one that can only be cured by teaching and life experience. This being said I think we should, as individuals of our race, try and live against stereotypes. For example: White people round her get a bad rep for being ignorant rednecks and bigots. Why? Because the majority of us are just that. Black people around here are given a bad rep for being gangsters and criminals. Why? Because most of them are. (And because M.T.V. And rap music videos and the likes.)
Asians get a bum rep for being supper great. Cuz they are! :p! (Dunno why, but I’ve thought Asian were awesome since I was little. Guess that’s an odd form of prejudice itself, isn’t it…?)

We all complain about this. I hear white guys who whine about, “They can call us rednecks and white trash but we can’t call them the N word?” (Only they actually sue that word, which is something I refuse to say or type under any circumstances. It would go against everything I stand for!) I hear black guys who complain when people move away from them on the streets whenever they are walking alone. Yet, most of these people who are complaining about people treating them like something really are what they are being accused of being! These rednecks are rednecks, and these muggers are muggers.

That’s not to say that blacks can’t be racist and ignorant, or whites can’t be criminals. That’s a ridiculous assumption. Our brains are exactly the same. If you look at the map of a Canadian’s brain and a German’s brain there will be no difference! So then we are capable of the same things. What I am saying is that stereotypes seem to form when a majority of a race or sex or religion is doing something. The small minority that is innocent of the crime get summed up with the rest. I’ll use my own religion as an example, to try and avoid offending anybody needlessly: I’m a Christian. I’ve never in my life tried to force my faith on somebody else, or ostracized people because they have different religious ideals. I don’t go around judging people for sinning cuz I know that I sin myself. This, however, is not true for -most,- not all but -most,- Christians. Most of us are judgmental and hypocritical. Self righteous evangelistic sinners who try to, “Teach people the error of their ways.” or better, “refuse to ‘cast pearls out to swine.”

If we want racism to end we are going to have to stop encouraging it. Being around rednecks, and even just watching the T.V, they laugh about being rednecks all the time. I think his name is “Bob the cable guy” is the worst offender I can think of. He’s a comedian that laughs about being white trash and has a mass of loyal fans. I know quite a few of these fans, and they all hate when black people treat them like white trash. Yet they call themselves white trash? Same thing goes with the N word. Black people say it all the time, but if a white person opens his mouth…!

Anyway, I was hoping to get two things with this thread. First, to discuss peoples beliefs on bigotry and how they think it can or can’t be stopped. Second, to give a recommendation out to people who feel like their being discriminated against.

Now, then, there are some forms of racism that cannot be helped. People saying things like, “Asian women are exotic” because of their skin color. If you ask me this is the lowliest form of racism because it comes without provocation. Its not a big thing around here, but I’m sure it is elsewhere. There also doesn’t seem to be much that can be done against it… I dunno. Just food for thought.

Also I use black and whites throughout this post more than any other races. This is simply because I have more experience with racism between these races than any other. Racism comes from all places, and goes to all places. All my opinion, as always.
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The root of racism is power and esteem issues. People will revolt against a sertain group of people in order to controll/get approval from others which will make them rise into some form of power. Races are nothing more then genetics. we are all human beings with different genetic coding. Its the weakness in peoples hearts to not accept the differances. Their weakness makes them feel threatend se they go into withdrawl and then get violent. I am a Christian, and I believe that Jesus died for everyones sins. not just Jews, Whites, Blacks, or anyone else. So I am going to follow that example and treat everyone the same. If the whole world understood that then the world would b a much better place ^_^
Posted 4/8/07
Personally, ive never been at the receiving end of any hostile prejudice being scandinavian living in northern europe and looking like any average european. but ive been lucky enough to know people from pretty much every type of culture and religion, and ive heard how some of them have had to experience prejudice. It really pisses me off when for example random people shout out derogatory comments at my best friend because she is kenyan. But like you said, prejudice comes from ignorance, and the only way to cure it is through education. Though its never gona happen, some people will hold on to their prejudices because they want to, not because they dont know any better. Hopefully as the world becomes more globalized, people will become more accepting out of necessity and realize that people are more alike than they think.
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racism in any form is stupid.
That being said, what i find just wrong and disgusting is when people are proud about their shortcomings, note that only the ones that they could actually do something about, if they are handicapped then thats a different issue. To me its the same as someone who is dirty and then instead of washing themselves, they just smear more filth on them.
^ this was commenting the people who are gladly calling themselves rednecks.
But also i don´t like it when black people go around whining about the word: "Nigger", i mean do they think that they are the only people that have ever been enslaved? NO!
If you read a little bit of history, then you can find out that slavery has always been around, and even if they say that theirs was the most present, it was most certainly the most long lasting of them all. Also there was the Gulag! But you don´t see Russia paying out huge amounts of money to the families or the actual people that were in them.

Racism and acting superior to people of different religious backgrounds is the lowest forms of interaction between fellow humans. I mean they are trying to prove their superiority to a fellow human but refusing to do anything to gain it, and yes i do believe that not all people are equal, but i only believe that people have to earn it and its not given to anyone.
In closing, its rather refreshing to read some posts that actually have some depth of conversation to them, and arent just some link for some test and then everyone reporting their score.
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i really don't wanna comment on this (as i'm sure many don't) and i don't really agree with a lot of the things that were said. racism ecouraged second or third, racial superiority is ecouraged first, not from all people but all races. Well racism can't be stopped only pressure on the cut, like u said thru exp. and teaching. And yea i'm discriminated against, i care but u gotta stay focused.
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digs wrote:

Races are nothing more then genetics.


Race is not a scientific concept:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/082200sci-genetics-race.html
Posted 4/8/07
I see racism as a form of wilful ignorance which is an evil in itself.
So is this thread concentrated more on racism or just prejudice as a whole?
It's ok to discuss it and let opinions known but personally I feel racism and/or prejudice aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
You should try asking the question why, when there seems to be a majority of people arguing against racism and prejudice, why is there still such a strong existence of it?
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People feel prejudiced for or against towards individuals not just from the media, but also from their parents. There are a lot of those "white supremacists" still hanging around and indoctrinating their children. To be honest, racism is really just any person's thoughts on a particular race, so as long as it doesn't result in any abuse or violence, I actually think it's okay. Most people who tell those racist jokes also know that what they are saying is an exaggeration of the truth.
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I've experienced racism, both from within my own "community" for being a light-skinned Mexican-American, and from outside, for just being a Mexican-American.
I don't really understand where it comes from to begin with, "people are people" after all. As for how to deal with racism, either start a social movement, or let it go. Those appear to be all we can do, right? ;)

There are a lot of things wrong with the world, and there always has been. It is just wishful thinking to believe that racism and hatred could be removed from this world through education or any other means readily available.
In a perfect world, of course everyone would agree that racism is a bad thing and that everyone should be educated to extinguish such harmful beliefs. However, in the world we live in, it's just fantasy to think that everyone could be educated in such a way.
Posted 4/8/07
Because I don't want trouble all I will say is that; its imposible to end anything that has been around for century's. But that doesn't mean you should continue it. That is all I am going to say, because I don't want trouble.
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Racism is never going to end. In society, humans naturally develop a relationship between the superior and inferior. Everyone enjoys the feeling of being above another. There is no way an ideal society can emerge where all are equal. Humans use stratification by race in order to elevate themselves for self esteem. Just like all social concepts, race is never going to completely disappear.
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I believe that it is possible to end prejudice. because in essence being prejudice is choice and as the human rights state the freedom of choice, a unfair choice, but a choice nonetheless. prejudice is a bias choice w/o full understanding of the matter.
so from this, I believe that the best method to end it is to educate people. and show them both sides of the story. but cruel as reality is,. most countries cannot give out proper public education due to lack of funding and the unwillingness of officials to upgrade the educational system.
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^^Yeah, I think pride is an important thing to humans. There's some saying like "people who've nothing to be proud of are proud of their nationality" or something like that. Anyway, individuals are programmed to distinguish, you can never get all of them to stop distinguishing between looks, but less superficial things. In a way it's hard work and as humans tend to be lazy about using their brains, this will never be the case.
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Well, of course its never going to go away. Any attempts at utopian social systems ever made have led to disaster. It’s a historical fact. However, I still say that if people work at it we can lessen racism considerably. If we live by example we can prove that not all people of this race are red necks. Not all these people are criminals. I know this works on a small scale, so why not try it on a larger scale? Its not like it will exacerbate things…

I’ve had black friends who really and truly thought all whites were racist. They didn’t hate us for it, but they stereotyped us and were quick to get defensive. One of them actually came up to me, and I love him for it cuz this is the great compliment I’ve ever gotten, and told me “You’re not like most white guys. I thought you would be all racists and stuck up but you’re really pretty cool.”

Next:

. I am a Christian, and I believe that Jesus died for everyones sins. not just Jews, Whites, Blacks, or anyone else. So I am going to follow that example and treat everyone the same. If the whole world understood that then the world would b a much better place


Dude, you’re friking great. Thank you! I’ve been preaching that very thing for years!


^^Yeah, I think pride is an important thing to humans. There's some saying like "people who've nothing to be proud of are proud of their nationality" or something like that. Anyway, individuals are programmed to distinguish, you can never get all of them to stop distinguishing between looks, but less superficial things. In a way it's hard work and as humans tend to be lazy about using their brains, this will never be the case.



I have to agree with -some- of that. I hate when people encourage pride over silly things like heredity. “You should be proud of your heritage.” Yet, I was born into it. Its like the passing of a title down through a monarchy. Why should the king be proud to be king? Now if the king becomes a great king, leads diligently, then there is reason to be proud. But, just being of noble blood…

Another thing is the whole, Gay Pride. Okay, I understand that gays have a bum rep. It’s not quite the same as doing something like a Straight Pride parade because straight people are not in any way the underdogs of society. However, most Gays and many straights agree that being gay is something that comes with birth. So then, why be proud? (this is not to say I necessarily agree or disagree with the theory, but please leave this debate for another thread. I’m just giving an example.)

However I don’t think it is true or fair to say Humans are lazy about using their brains. Some are, of course, but generally I think people use their minds to the best of their ability. I think where we are lazy is increasing the capacity of our brain. What intellect we have we always use. Which brings me back to education. As I said in my fun little metaphor. Education is the only cure for the plague of ignorance!
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However I don’t think it is true or fair to say Humans are lazy about using their brains. Some are, of course, but generally I think people use their minds to the best of their ability. I think where we are lazy is increasing the capacity of our brain. What intellect we have we always use. Which brings me back to education. As I said in my fun little metaphor. Education is the only cure for the plague of ignorance!


Yes it is fair, as I'm including myself. I don't know about you guys, I always find I still have to work on my attitude. And it's really work to be open minded all the time. It's much easier to only have one look at a person and estimate them by that. In the second you see a person for the first time your brain takes in so much information, it's natural for you to somehow label that. I don't know if I'm expressing myself sufficiently here, because there's lots of things you have to count into that. So it's a bit of extra attention you have to keep up, and that's what I'm saying lots of people are to lazy to do. As someone pointed out in another thread, they don't, cause it's not necessary. It's extra work.
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