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Posted 12/29/08

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Yes, katana is a very useful weapon, But, consider the factor that if you're a klutz, you would end up hurting yourself and not others. Different people have different taste. My ideal weapon is either tiny poison-coated acupuncture needles or a specially designed Nodachi with sharp lead as its blade. I'm not a brave idiot who charges into the battlefield, i prefer stealth.


That's a very good point about clumsiness. All the reason for anyone wishing to use any live weapon to have the proper professional training from certified instructors.
However I would ask; A lead bladed nodachi? How would that work, let alone any lead sword? Lead is a very soft metal. I cannot see how that would work. Please enlighten me.
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True, lead is soft, but, altering the covalent bonds within the lead into the formation of the diamond, it becomes harder than most metals, preferably as hard as titanium. Are you enlightened?
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True, lead is soft, but, altering the covalent bonds within the lead into the formation of the diamond, it becomes harder than most metals, preferably as hard as titanium. Are you enlightened?


Yeah but there's still problems with that. I've never heard of a lead sword and there's probably a reason for that. In terms of metallurgy, lead is a poor metal. No matter what form it's usually always fairly malleable and thus I cannot see how it can be used to make any such weapon. Furthermore I have never heard of lead being hard at all let alone harder than most metals [steel, iron, bronze; Three metals historically used for swordsmithing.]

That's not saying that you're wrong or anything, I am just saying that from what I know given the aforementioned information, I cannot see how it would work. Maybe you can elaborate.
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Perhaps you need to understand more about covalent bonds in chemistry instead of using metallurgy to determine the ideal material. There's always more than 1 way to view problems. That way, you should be able to understand. For example, Graphite and diamond, both made of Carbon. But, how can one be incredibly hard, while the other is very very soft? Indeed, steel, iron and bronze are the historical types of metal due to their melting points and durability, but with today's technology, we can advance further into other metals. Another point that you are not seeing is that the dagger might not be necessarily using for instant killing, but paralysing. My brother watched this Ben 10 movie, and it explained by that alien that the green thing was used as a weapon of peace, not destruction. I could use the dagger to hit the enemy's spine while gagging their mouth to block sound so i can sneak inside without being noticed, or i can plant the blade at an area, force the enemy to the area, and create a fatal blow. Whoever said the lead-bladed Nodachi can only cut enemies from the front?
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Perhaps you need to understand more about covalent bonds in chemistry instead of using metallurgy to determine the ideal material. There's always more than 1 way to view problems. That way, you should be able to understand. For example, Graphite and diamond, both made of Carbon. But, how can one be incredibly hard, while the other is very very soft? Indeed, steel, iron and bronze are the historical types of metal due to their melting points and durability, but with today's technology, we can advance further into other metals. Another point that you are not seeing is that the dagger might not be necessarily using for instant killing, but paralysing. My brother watched this Ben 10 movie, and it explained by that alien that the green thing was used as a weapon of peace, not destruction. I could use the dagger to hit the enemy's spine while gagging their mouth to block sound so i can sneak inside without being noticed, or i can plant the blade at an area, force the enemy to the area, and create a fatal blow. Whoever said the lead-bladed Nodachi can only cut enemies from the front?


Green thing? Alien?

When did a dagger enter the factor?

And what else does a nodachi do but cut? Or rather 'knock' in many cases.
Posted 12/30/08

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Perhaps you need to understand more about covalent bonds in chemistry instead of using metallurgy to determine the ideal material. There's always more than 1 way to view problems. That way, you should be able to understand. For example, Graphite and diamond, both made of Carbon. But, how can one be incredibly hard, while the other is very very soft? Indeed, steel, iron and bronze are the historical types of metal due to their melting points and durability, but with today's technology, we can advance further into other metals. Another point that you are not seeing is that the dagger might not be necessarily using for instant killing, but paralysing. My brother watched this Ben 10 movie, and it explained by that alien that the green thing was used as a weapon of peace, not destruction. I could use the dagger to hit the enemy's spine while gagging their mouth to block sound so i can sneak inside without being noticed, or i can plant the blade at an area, force the enemy to the area, and create a fatal blow. Whoever said the lead-bladed Nodachi can only cut enemies from the front?


If I could interrupt..... first off your using a CARTOON as the basis of knowledge. Second metallurgy is the basis of making a blade, any blade.....period. You use chemistry in metallurgy, it's a component not a competing science. You could make a blade of lead, they use to make bullets out of them, but why would you? There are many other better metals and metal alloys that are much better, more durable. IF you used lead as a blade the problem you would run into is it's too soft, once you hit bone the blade would probably go dull or bend. As for paralyzing an enemy...... coming from behind is always preferable and you don't need a blade for that it's called forty pounds of pressure and you crack their necks. It's often called a sentry kill. You can use a blade but when you do you don't slit the throats like you see in the movies you actually stab the blade just forward of the spine and pull the knife forward, nearly decapitating your enemy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I was taught that a nodachi's blade was normally rather dull, because it was meant to crush an opponent rather than cut, plus it is a sword that was meant to be used from horseback.
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If I could interrupt..... first off your using a CARTOON as the basis of knowledge. Second metallurgy is the basis of making a blade, any blade.....period. You use chemistry in metallurgy, it's a component not a competing science. You could make a blade of lead, they use to make bullets out of them, but why would you? There are many other better metals and metal alloys that are much better, more durable. IF you used lead as a blade the problem you would run into is it's too soft, once you hit bone the blade would probably go dull or bend. As for paralyzing an enemy...... coming from behind is always preferable and you don't need a blade for that it's called forty pounds of pressure and you crack their necks. It's often called a sentry kill. You can use a blade but when you do you don't slit the throats like you see in the movies you actually stab the blade just forward of the spine and pull the knife forward, nearly decapitating your enemy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I was taught that a nodachi's blade was normally rather dull, because it was meant to crush an opponent rather than cut, plus it is a sword that was meant to be used from horseback.


About the nodachi, you are absolutely correct. If they held a sharp blade, it would break as it's structure makes it very brittle and susceptible to chipping.
Though one minor thing; It was actually popular among ashigaru [footsoldiers] who used it to knock horsemen off their horses.

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True, but metallurgy and chemistry is an art, a special knowledge that can be used in any possibility. True that the Nodachi is a weapon frequently used to knock the enemies off their horses, BUT, consider the factor of psychiatry (Don't say this has no link) Most people that see an assassin use a Nodachi to attack would be stunned, because a ninja should use equipment that slits throats quietly, not crushing the enemies with loud noises. Secondly, using black for the blade's color can allow it to conceal within the dark. Look at it this way. If you happen to be spotted on an assassination mission, you draw the blade, then trick the enemy. I used to love those tricks, pretend that it was a sword, coat it with a little poison, Try to whack the enemy with the "sword's" tip, and he will be bound to defend. Quickly, in that instant, cut slightly, and let him experience a bit of pain. That immobilizes him for an instant. Before that instant, gag his mouth,and plant the poison needles into him. It needs quite an imagination, so good luck. Thirdly, i hate using the sentry kill, because if you gag him, he will swing his leg backwards and kick you. That might lower my speed that i crucially need to escape after completing the mission. Fourth, i don't see the harm of watching CERTAIN cartoons, they at least have morals. Sure, tell me to use a shiny blade to kill my enemies, they will never see the blood stains on that light-reflective blade that could give myself away.
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True, but metallurgy and chemistry is an art, a special knowledge that can be used in any possibility. True that the Nodachi is a weapon frequently used to knock the enemies off their horses, BUT, consider the factor of psychiatry (Don't say this has no link) Most people that see an assassin use a Nodachi to attack would be stunned, because a ninja should use equipment that slits throats quietly, not crushing the enemies with loud noises. Secondly, using black for the blade's color can allow it to conceal within the dark. Look at it this way. If you happen to be spotted on an assassination mission, you draw the blade, then trick the enemy. I used to love those tricks, pretend that it was a sword, coat it with a little poison, Try to whack the enemy with the "sword's" tip, and he will be bound to defend. Quickly, in that instant, cut slightly, and let him experience a bit of pain. That immobilizes him for an instant. Before that instant, gag his mouth,and plant the poison needles into him. It needs quite an imagination, so good luck. Thirdly, i hate using the sentry kill, because if you gag him, he will swing his leg backwards and kick you. That might lower my speed that i crucially need to escape after completing the mission. Fourth, i don't see the harm of watching CERTAIN cartoons, they at least have morals. Sure, tell me to use a shiny blade to kill my enemies, they will never see the blood stains on that light-reflective blade that could give myself away.


First off, what does psychiatry have anything to do with what we are talking about?
Secondly, since when do assassins use nodachi? Ninja are not assassins, they are spies. Shikaku are assassins, and by general technique they utilize a very crude technique of assassination, often blindly running at their target and trying to cut them before they die. There's no 'sneaking up' and slitting throats really involved.

And are you talking about a nodachi or a dagger? You keep flipping back and forht.

In the midst of combat, there is no time to think, so these tricks you mention have very little effectiveness.
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shikegulumala wrote:

True, but metallurgy and chemistry is an art, a special knowledge that can be used in any possibility. True that the Nodachi is a weapon frequently used to knock the enemies off their horses, BUT, consider the factor of psychiatry (Don't say this has no link) Most people that see an assassin use a Nodachi to attack would be stunned, because a ninja should use equipment that slits throats quietly, not crushing the enemies with loud noises. Secondly, using black for the blade's color can allow it to conceal within the dark. Look at it this way. If you happen to be spotted on an assassination mission, you draw the blade, then trick the enemy. I used to love those tricks, pretend that it was a sword, coat it with a little poison, Try to whack the enemy with the "sword's" tip, and he will be bound to defend. Quickly, in that instant, cut slightly, and let him experience a bit of pain. That immobilizes him for an instant. Before that instant, gag his mouth,and plant the poison needles into him. It needs quite an imagination, so good luck. Thirdly, i hate using the sentry kill, because if you gag him, he will swing his leg backwards and kick you. That might lower my speed that i crucially need to escape after completing the mission. Fourth, i don't see the harm of watching CERTAIN cartoons, they at least have morals. Sure, tell me to use a shiny blade to kill my enemies, they will never see the blood stains on that light-reflective blade that could give myself away.


First off I never said use a "shiny" blade. They make blades that are black you know I have one, most Marines do. A properly executed sentry kill and the enemy can't kick you or retaliate... if they did your doing it wrong. Secondly ninjas were not assassins they were spy's......hence why I said quit getting your education from cartoons and tv and pick up a book once in a while and read it. No sensible soldier would coat a blade in poison, it would be to easy to kill yourself, that's something you see in the movies..... Not all cartoons have morals.....morals are something that are learned where you choose to pick them up, so if you choose to get your morals from the television I fear greatly for the future of mankind. On the real battlefield half the time you never see your enemy, you can hear them and see the muzzle flash but this is not the 1800's we live in a modern world with modern weapons on the battlefield so half the time you don't get upclose and personal with the enemy anymore, unless you're in special forces.
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He's just a young'in, maybe we should explain our points a little easier. Don't want to drive him off.
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He's just a young'in, maybe we should explain our points a little easier. Don't want to drive him off.


Thats why I suggested less TV and more reading.
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Which books should i hit then, The Art Of War or How assassins kill?
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Which books should i hit then, The Art Of War or How assassins kill?


Depends; What do you want to learn?

On the subject, I would suggest you go to your library and check out books on swordsmithing, metallurgy, and the history of arms and armour.
I would suggest; The Japanese Sword: A Comprehensive Guide and The Craft of the Japanese Sword.

But you still never answered any of my questions above. Would you, please?



Posted 1/7/09 , edited 1/7/09

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shikegulumala wrote:

Which books should i hit then, The Art Of War or How assassins kill?


Depends; What do you want to learn?

On the subject, I would suggest you go to your library and check out books on swordsmithing, metallurgy, and the history of arms and armour.
I would suggest; The Japanese Sword: A Comprehensive Guide and The Craft of the Japanese Sword.

But you still never answered any of my questions above. Please do.





I would recommend the following....if your looking for military tactics and such.....this list was compiled by a friend of mine.


1.The Art of War(Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ) by Sun Zu

2.Jiang Ziya (Taigong)'s Six Secret Strategic Teachings

3.The Methods of the Ssu-ma (Also known as Sima Rangju Art of War)

4.Wu-tzu by Wu Qi

5.Wei Liao-tzu

6.Three Strategies of Huang Shih-kung

7. Dell'arte della guerra (Art of War) by Niccolò Machiavelli

8. Go Rin No Sho(The Book of The Five Rings) by Miyamoto Musashi

9.Unrestricted Warfare by Qiao Liang & Wang Xiangsui (This is more of alternative tactics than direct warfare.)

10. Kōyō Gunkan by Obata Kagenori

11.Thirty-Six Stratagems this you'll have to find translated......it's kinda hard to find but is worth reading


*Her list had other stuff on it but I added the ones I thought would be most helpful*
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