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I sitll want to believe he is in a coma


i second that. cause see, im UPSET. HIGHLY UPSET. and i refuse to believe that he's dead. i refuse.


We all want him Not to be dead, But I think he is dead.
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KitTyLiCioUsS wrote:


Kyoko019 wrote:

I sitll want to believe he is in a coma


i second that. cause see, im UPSET. HIGHLY UPSET. and i refuse to believe that he's dead. i refuse.


me too~~~

OMG~~ this is really depressing~~

i wouldnt believe he's dead until i saw them crying into Ren's grave~~


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I expected Ren to die but when everyone in the manga started crying, I started to tear up. Especially when Yazu was remembering Ren when he was a little boy.

I thought it was interesting when Nobu heard the music that nobody else seemed to hear. I think Nobu will make a hit song out of what he heard. Maybe it was Ren revealing his last song to the world...who knows.
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Aside from ren suppose death....(I want confirmation from an actual source in the manga itself like a doctor or something before I jump to conclusions) I found it sad that hachi still belittles herself to reira I know its out of the way but I hope in some way shape or form I see hachi try to make herself better into something I know she loves fashion and what not why not I see she is more independent in the future I want to see how this story is going to progress after this incident and I want that damn child to be born already!!!!!! I feel we need a child's laughter in times like these don't you guys think?


Shit, i know how you feel about the baby. Hurry and give birth. Does she give birth to twins or what? (Pardon the language).

Nah, I don't think Hachi is belittling herself. She knows and understands Takumi. She knows that the only person who can really make Takumi feel like shit and go into a super depressing mode is Reira. Hell, I would feel bad to if the love of my life seems to care more about another person than his own wife. I know that Takumi likes or loves Hachi (I don't feel like talking about that concept, I have done that too many times in the past) but he still taking her for granted which annoys the shit out of me. I don't think hachi is belittling herself, I feel like hachi is kind of growing b/c I'm sure if that phone didn't ring Hachi would of argued with Takumi about him being to depressed (her hand looked like she wanted to sock him). Plus she made some valid points on how Takumi was carrying too much weight witht the Trapnest and that he should learn to count on others. In the past, she would just cry and go to another room. She's also becoming a bit more independent by not always agreeing with Takumi (for example, she was gonna go to Osaka with Takumi despite the fact that he didn't want her to go in the first place).

Right now, i believe Hachi is in the process of becoming independent...baby steps. So far nothing drastic has happened yet to make her into the independent woman that she'll eventually become. I'm pretty sure that the time will come b/c she's working in the flash forwards and she's not living with Takumi. I think takumi will fuck up the relationship somehow (Confessing that he slept with Reira? Who knows?) that will finally put Hachi into a reality check and realize that in the end that she needs to make the right decisions for herself in order to stay sane.

I love Takumi and I think they make a great pair. But Takumi always screw things up somehow. I know he cares for her but he needs to respect Hachi a bit more. I think he realizes his screw ups in the flash forwards.

Sorry for the long reply. In short, I didn't think hachi was belittling herself to Reira. She just understands how Takumi feels about Reira. I think the manga is forshadowing the fact that hachi can't handle Takumi's infidelities, lies (Takumi didn't want to marry hachi in the 1st place, he just made a deal witht he paparazzi to save Ren's ass), and the miscommunication between them is definitely becoming an obstacle. And that where just waiting for the moment when takumi will trigger the moment when hachi will finally realize that she needs reorganize her priorities of what she wants and can get out of life.

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http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/62/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/66/20/

i posted these pages for no reason at all well i guess these were my hope that ren is alive somewhere but it's all false hope... he's really dead and we can't do anything about it.. it was so good that hachi still wishing for the dead person to meet with nana...lol.. only to confuse the readers..


omg, I cried like hell when I was reading. >_<

for the first link, Hachi said:

"Ever year as Christmas approaches, I wish on the heavens miracle

I don't really hope for angels or Santa but...

for a night when Nana and Ren will miraculously meet again."

So, there, I hate to say it. But there's one possibility of Ren dead... Or, maybe, he's in a coma, but disappeared due to the hallucination of the black cat that he thought it was Nana? I just hope he's not dead....
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@grprsa

“ He still taking her for granted”

I didn’t focus lately on takumi’s relationship with hachi because he is in big trouble with regards to the band and I can feel takumi’s pain in this recent event. I’d rather not say about taking her for granted but rather not paying attention to her. It’s no ones fault I can’t blame takumi for his actions it just too much for him bear. The band that he built collapsed so does takumi’s dreams…. One good thing I see in this recent chapter is that takumi’s holding hachi’s hand as if he asks for support or strength. When hachi also heard the news she also crumbles so as we see they were normal couple who needed each others strength while they grasp the shocking news they received.

“think takumi will fuck up the relationship somehow (Confessing that he slept with Reira? Who knows?)”

I can imagine this happening hmmm…another shocking news for hachi…

“(Takumi didn't want to marry hachi in the 1st place, he just made a deal with the paparazzi to save Ren's ass),”


I would love to say you got it wrong but it depends on how you look at it. Takumi was serious when he announced his engagement to the staff but then ren also wants to marry nana so basically they can’t let the two members getting married it will be bad for the band. When hachi found out about ren and nana’s engagement she was of course happy but then takumi also said that they can hold on the wedding so that’s what happened. Btw, I think it was a joke when nana asked takumi when can we get married takumi replied wait till I reach 30..lol.. I think the deal with the paparazzi was blessing in this guise that was the only chance they had.
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Kyoko019 wrote:

Aside from ren suppose death....(I want confirmation from an actual source in the manga itself like a doctor or something before I jump to conclusions) I found it sad that hachi still belittles herself to reira I know its out of the way but I hope in some way shape or form I see hachi try to make herself better into something I know she loves fashion and what not why not I see she is more independent in the future I want to see how this story is going to progress after this incident and I want that damn child to be born already!!!!!! I feel we need a child's laughter in times like these don't you guys think?


Shit, i know how you feel about the baby. Hurry and give birth. Does she give birth to twins or what? (Pardon the language).

Nah, I don't think Hachi is belittling herself. She knows and understands Takumi. She knows that the only person who can really make Takumi feel like shit and go into a super depressing mode is Reira. Hell, I would feel bad to if the love of my life seems to care more about another person than his own wife. I know that Takumi likes or loves Hachi (I don't feel like talking about that concept, I have done that too many times in the past) but he still taking her for granted which annoys the shit out of me. I don't think hachi is belittling herself, I feel like hachi is kind of growing b/c I'm sure if that phone didn't ring Hachi would of argued with Takumi about him being to depressed (her hand looked like she wanted to sock him). Plus she made some valid points on how Takumi was carrying too much weight witht the Trapnest and that he should learn to count on others. In the past, she would just cry and go to another room. She's also becoming a bit more independent by not always agreeing with Takumi (for example, she was gonna go to Osaka with Takumi despite the fact that he didn't want her to go in the first place).

Right now, i believe Hachi is in the process of becoming independent...baby steps. So far nothing drastic has happened yet to make her into the independent woman that she'll eventually become. I'm pretty sure that the time will come b/c she's working in the flash forwards and she's not living with Takumi. I think takumi will fuck up the relationship somehow (Confessing that he slept with Reira? Who knows?) that will finally put Hachi into a reality check and realize that in the end that she needs to make the right decisions for herself in order to stay sane.

I love Takumi and I think they make a great pair. But Takumi always screw things up somehow. I know he cares for her but he needs to respect Hachi a bit more. I think he realizes his screw ups in the flash forwards.

Sorry for the long reply. In short, I didn't think hachi was belittling herself to Reira. She just understands how Takumi feels about Reira. I think the manga is forshadowing the fact that hachi can't handle Takumi's infidelities, lies (Takumi didn't want to marry hachi in the 1st place, he just made a deal witht he paparazzi to save Ren's ass), and the miscommunication between them is definitely becoming an obstacle. And that where just waiting for the moment when takumi will trigger the moment when hachi will finally realize that she needs reorganize her priorities of what she wants and can get out of life.



No, I understand and I agree with what you have to say he doesn't respect hachi when he said she is in the house all day and a housewife I was like ouch that had to hurt not that I have anything against housewives oh no I consider that a job as well maintaining the family but the way he said it and made it sound like she doesn't put any effort and does minor things was really awful. Some how I can see her getting into the kimono industry since she looks interested into that business and i hate to say it but I feel takumi will trigger that final blow in the relationship. Despite the fact when it comes down to it he needs and wants hachi support. he is in danger of losing that and watching this events unfold is a clear notion what will happen. I would like to see how takumi and hachi interact in the future face to face instead of just talking about. If she does find out about reira man I'm gonna feel so bad and sad for her because I know she considers her to be a great beauty and singer. I remember in think in chapter 70 something she said she can't compete against reira. That really showed me how small she thinks of herself compared to reira. (That's when our beloved ren called her to save her sanity and offer his support)

BUT GODDAMN I WANT THAT KID OUT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we need children's laughter and joy in this series to lighten things up for us like really -_-

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I don't apologize for my language because that how I really talk because I'm aggressive ^_^
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@ grprsa : so bad I couldn't edit my post..(Only Nana I think about now and I just have time to edit )

Takumi needs to respect Hachi as she is his wife, I love Takumi because he married with Hachi. He might not be good husband, but it's ok for workaholic man.I sometimes did say without respecting to someone else when I had things I couldn't handle with I understand , independent myself (but finally I said sorry, I can't control ).Tatumi is so depressed on his band that he built it up by himself and he doesn't want it to be ended up like that. Tatuki cares about Hachi so much but the way he acts it doesn't show how much he cares because he is a plain man and doesn't know what you feel about after hearing his words. I thought same gentlewater

Even with Reira he also told her if she was ok to be his many lovers, she said yes...he doesn't want to hurt her but if she wants to hurt by doing this he is ok, just to give her courageous to sing (there is no Reira, there is no Trapnest) he never loved her as lover. He takes everything to be his jobs and everyone relies on him. He can put happiness to everyone before him so he will be the last, he thinks about jobs than his family..

Everyone will be growing up little by little when years have passed, also Hachi when she has more experiences in her life (it's normal). She doesn't go to live with Tatumi because she has many things to manage in Tokyo and waiting for Nana it's the 1st reason. She is gloomy for Nana O and Ren's tragedy.

I Love Hachi and Tatumi's relationship, I see it's realistic couple, it's touching me so much. I am so so depressed with Nana O I'd Love them to be together.
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@ grprsa : so bad I couldn't edit my post..(Only Nana I think about now and I just have time to edit )

Takumi needs to respect Hachi as she is his wife, I love Takumi because he married with Hachi. He might not be good husband, but it's ok for workaholic man.I sometimes did say without respecting to someone else when I had things I couldn't handle with I understand , independent myself (but finally I said sorry, I can't control ).Tatumi is so depressed on his band that he built it up by himself and he doesn't want it to be ended up like that. Tatuki cares about Hachi so much but the way he acts it doesn't show how much he cares because he is a plain man and doesn't know what you feel about after hearing his words. I thought same gentlewater

Even with Reira he also told her if she was ok to be his many lovers, she said yes...he doesn't want to hurt her but if she wants to hurt by doing this he is ok, just to give her courageous to sing (there is no Reira, there is no Trapnest) he never loved her as lover. He takes everything to be his jobs and everyone relies on him. He can put happiness to everyone before him so he will be the last, he thinks about jobs than his family..

Everyone will be growing up little by little when years have passed, also Hachi when she has more experiences in her life (it's normal). She doesn't go to live with Tatumi because she has many things to manage in Tokyo and waiting for Nana it's the 1st reason. She is gloomy for Nana O and Ren's tragedy.

I Love Hachi and Tatumi's relationship, I see it's realistic couple, it's touching me so much. I am so so depressed with Nana O I'd Love them to be together. :tears:



Yeah, I agree with you in everything. It just gets so annoying when takumi makes those snappy remarks and I know it will come back and hit in in the ass one day (it kind of is...reira not wanting to sing, hachi no longer living with takumi, he's depressed in the flashforwards and realizes the cons of being a workaholic). I think it's because he hasn't found that balance of being a workaholic and a respectful family man b/c he has never been in a situation in which he had to really be sensitive to other people's needs. He always concentrated on his own, the success of trapnest, and reira of course.

I know they're snappy comments but it still hurts but I think hachi is handling them well.

Don' get me wrong, they make a very realistic couple. But those snappy remarks will pile up one day, and I think Hachi will realize that it's getting annoying. But Hachi seems mature in the sense, that she understands takumi (she noticed that takumi was being an ass b/c of reira).

I would go more into depth with this relationship, but I already posted so many comments on this forum about their relationship. So now I'm kind of lazy.
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Ren.....please come back ....... Y^Y
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I was so sad when he died. I almost cried
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my...reason for reading/watching the Nana series (besides Nana of course) shin's tears at the end... the day before Nana's birthday... Yasu's memory of Ren...I was skeptical for awhile last time but then i practically bawled! Ai Yazawa's one of the few people who could make me laugh and cry within a few seconds..that's the mark of an excellent writer..
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I want an official report from a doctor in the series thats when I accept anything!!!!!!!
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I personally will not be satisfied until I see Ren's mangled body or coffin (open casket!) and I see a break down from Yasu. Yasu holds the truth for me. :x Poor guy. So... I wish I could say I'm not going to read anymore but I'm hooked.
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