DerfelCadarn wrote:



Every fat person is unhealthy. A person who is not unhealthy due to his weight should not be classed as fat. Obese and fat people pay taxes, yes. The taxes paid by a fat or obese person are not in line with the cost of medical procedures, so it is unfair to people who are not fat, or fat people with exonerating circumstances. Yes, tons of things that drain resources. That doesn't change the fact that fat and obese people drain it too, I don't see that as an argument to be honest, it is just pointing at other issues which we must face. A person does not have to be obese or particularly fat in order to be afflicted with the symptoms and problems of improper nutrition. Cholesterol and salt are both very injurious and pose a threat to non-fat and healthy as well as fat and obese people. We crave these things unlike anything else and small quantities can have disastrous effects. If they are a danger to non-fat people, who have a sustainable intake of food, imagine how dangerous they are to fat people who tend to consume larger quantities of food and thus of these things than is necessary. Yes, plenty of other types of behaviour exist which are not met with the same criticism, but that does not change the effect of fatness and obesity, and since this is a thread dealing with the latter two, you can't expect people to write long-long tirades directed towards smokers or single mothers. If you want those two topics to be addressed too, open individual threads for them.

chicasuerte22 wrote:



I don't want anyone to write long-long tirades about smokers or single mothers. Every fat person is not unhealthy. That's like saying every person who looks like a stick and you can see their bones is unhealthy. Its not that black and white. Fat does not automatically mean unhealthy, neither does being extremely thin automatically mean you are unhealthy. Taking in a significant amount of salt can be dangerous depending on the person. Not everyone is wired the same. Salt may have a disastrous effect on one person where as another person can eat it without any problems. There are plenty of fat people who can take care of themselves, are healthy and function well in society. Being fat and obese are two very different things. The main thing I still want to know though is how obesity is measured in this country. I really want to know. Also I never mentioned this in any of my posts. The OP said what can we do about this. I think part of the problem lies with the food we are fed these days. Everything that is healthy is priced higher than junk food. More than half of the food we eat is pumped with steroids and other chemicals. It is a shame because a lot of the food that is FDA approved you can't trust. Well, I can's think of anything esle to say, but ok. Hasta tardes.

DomFortress wrote:


Oh yes it is~

As a fitness trainer, I know at least one thing that both fat and thin people are all unhealthy for; a lack of core strength resulting in poor balance and stability. Which is why we keep our hospitals too busy operating on people with bad hips for hip replacements, because they lack the balance and stability to prevent themselves from breaking their hips due to them falling.

Furthermore, when these people with weak core strength fell, they instinctively try to grab onto anything with their hands in order for them to steady themselves. This can actually destabilize themselves further, when there's nothing within their immediate reach for them to grab onto. Due to simple mechanical physics that as soon as you spread out your arms, you further destabilize your center of gravity by accelerating your center axis with your hands in motion. However in the case of people with strong core strength fell, they can instantly regain stability, simply by them applying internal acceleration using their core muscles. This is also why belly dancers and pole dancers, or just about any other dancer in general have greater control of balance than average people.

Therefore while you might change your metabolism with a healthy diet, but the greater change still lies in what activities that you do. So don't you think just because you're not obese that you should be in the clear, when the reality is that fat people and thin people could still be at risk with themselves. Or would you rather to have every fat and thin people to grab themselves one of these.

And as for healthy foods that's cheap, look no further than your own community markets, who're supplied by your own local produce growers. And I'll let a nutritionist to explain the reason why, or you can just "Google it". That is if you're not too lazy to do even that.

chicasuerte22 wrote:

The point is that there are way way too many variables to make such shallow judgements which you seem to have had practice doing.

some1_u_kno wrote:

my bmi is 20 which seems to be higher than most people in this forum thread haha I'm embarrassed.
Here is one problem with America...
There are false perceptions...
Recently I think there was a photo shoot featured in the Vogue magazine that published plus size models.
One of the comments I recalled on a facebook group was:
"It's great to see plus size models...this is what a normal women looks like."(something along that line)
If an overweight women were to be considered normal... they are definitely changing the perception of what a healthy person should look like.
It just allows people to make even more excuses to get fatter.


But I think the main problem is that people are just getting lazier and lazier...everything is just getting too convenient.
Maybe it could also be that they work more and rarely have the time to exercise? Plus now people usually work with computers and sit around all day. Possibly, if people work too much they might get tired and go for the convenient preservative instant foods? Actually even people with not-so-stressful jobs are doing the same...so I guess it's not just the people that work a lot.

chicasuerte22 wrote:

No, you would not all be out of jobs. Not every fat person goes to the gym. Plenty of thin people go to the gym as well. Not every person goes to a nutritionist. I never told you you had to listen to me. What am I saying exactly that doesn't make sense?

First of all you little rude person. Don't tell me what I am to lazy to do or not do. How you came to that conclusion is based off of your own prejudgement and ignorance. Wow. Core strength. Hmm many people lack core strength wether they be fat, thin, or "normal" Where oh where did I point out anything about being in the clear? Thank you for that explanation on core strength and telling me about a healthy diet. So you know one thing that fat and thin people are unhealthy for that can be applied to anyone with weak core strength. I have weak core strength and have never fell and broke my hip.

Being fat does not mean that you are automatically unhealthy. I've seen fat people run around and not be outta breath while another non fat person is obviously wheezing after walking up one flight of stairs.

I don't know where you live but my community market aint no cheaper than going to the grocery store. You say go to the community store, well how are people living in impovershed areas supposed to get there when they have no means of transportation? So that still isn't fixing the problem.

You come off as very judgemental. Why do I need a nutritionist to explain anything to me. No where did I say that local markets didn't exist. I'm so terribly sorry I did not put that in my former post, because obviously if I don't put something in my post that automatically means I don't know anything about it.

So like I was saying to the first person to respond to me You can't say that someone is healthier just because they're skinny they could be bulimic, anorexic, or otherwise have poor eating habits. Maybe just maybe they don't sleep well. Maybe they abuse drugs or alcohol or live in an otherwise toxic environment. Maybe they're diabetic or have overactive thyroids. Or maybe they are highly stressed. Maybe there are healthy skinny people doing everything "right."

DomFortress wrote:


Just about everything when you started your temper tantrum by you making up all those "excuses" and called them "variables". When the reality is you're just so confused by all those life choices, you're frustrated to the point of you just about giving up trying to change for the better.
Giving up changing for the better This is hilarious. What excuses are you talking about?

You're 24, there's still about 20 if not 30 years when you trip and fall, and then your own body weight combined with the impact of your fall will break your hip. Regardless if you actually landed on you hip or not, because your hip bone is the first pivot point where your center of gravity rests on. Or have you forgotten your high school mechanical physics already? Hmm. You seem to always assume things about me for some reason. Many old people fall and break their hip bones, doesn't always deal with weight. Then there are actually some whom fall and don't break their hip.

And to think you thought the job for us fitness trainers are to get people to the gym, when you don't even know your basic science principles to come up with a decent "variable". Really I thought that, by telling you not everyone goes to the gym since you said you would be out of a job

"Running around and not be outta breath"? Well then they're not even working out hard enough, if at all. That's what you'll get for a lack of discipline and effort. Right sir!
I didn't say working out, I'm talking about doing daily activities and not being outta breath even walking up the stairs where as a thin person walking up the steps is out of breath.

If you actually do live in the middle of no-man's-land, then that's your problem, not mine. <_<
Didn't say it was your problem.

However, aren't you just making things up while you overestimating your current situation? I mean if you do happens to live by yourself like I do, then you really should get to know more about your own community. Before you just make up "excuses" like you've had everything handed to you the whole time.
I'm sorry but this is just too damn hilarious. Had everything handed to me Overestimating my current situation? What is my current situation?

And now you're just being passive aggressive. Or are you really sorry for you having another episode of temper tantrum.
If thats what you call a temper tantrum

And are you any one of those said individuals? Or are you just making excuses for yourself again?

chicasuerte22 wrote:


Again, what excuses am I making for myself?

chicasuerte22 wrote:

Right, if you can not grasp the concept that not all fat people are unhealthy then that's you. I do not see everything as black and white. You cannot lump all the fat people in the world into one category. If you can't understand my responses then something is wrong with you. I don't understand how you assume to know everything about me from one form topic and you are on here arguing with me as well so okay. I'm dismissed. Well thank you master. It's been a pleasure. Good day.

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Then the case goes down to a genetic factor.
My opinion on that is there should be a mandated license for having children. Nothing to hard to pass. Just a physical health, and mental test. To keep from passing on Bad traits that will lead to human kinds destruction.
Such as people who pass on there illnesses to there kids. By weeding Out the defected people we save are species, and aid it to evolve for the better. (its about continues survival of are species.)


You can say it... I am a evil bastard.. Just like many of the smarter evil villains in the comic world. I to would do something witch seems evil in order to save man kind.

How do genes influence behavior?(citation)

No single gene determines a particular behavior. Behaviors are complex traits involving multiple genes that are affected by a variety of other factors. This fact often gets overlooked in media reports hyping scientific breakthroughs on gene function, and, unfortunately, this can be very misleading to the public.

For example, a study published in 1999 claimed that overexpression of a particular gene in mice led to enhanced learning capacity. The popular press referred to this gene as "the learning gene" or the "smart gene." What the press didn't mention was that the learning enhancements observed in this study were short-term, lasting only a few hours to a few days in some cases.

Dubbing a gene as a "smart gene" gives the public a false impression of how much scientists really know about the genetics of a complex trait like intelligence. Once news of the "smart gene" reaches the public, suddenly there is talk about designer babies and the potential of genetically engineering embryos to have intelligence and other desirable traits, when in reality the path from genes to proteins to development of a particular trait is still a mystery.

With disorders, behaviors, or any physical trait, genes are just a part of the story, because a variety of genetic and environmental factors are involved in the development of any trait. Having a genetic variant doesn't necessarily mean that a particular trait will develop. The presence of certain genetic factors can enhance or repress other genetic factors. Genes are turned on and off, and other factors may be keeping a gene from being turned "on." In addition, the protein encoded by a gene can be modified in ways that can affect its ability to carry out its normal cellular function.

Genetic factors also can influence the role of certain environmental factors in the development of a particular trait. For example, a person may have a genetic variant that is know to increase his or her risk for developing emphysema from smoking, an environmental factor. If that person never smokes, then emphysema will not develop.

DomFortress wrote:


Aside from the problem that's how eugenicists started in German Nazi, there's also the fact that unlike SF, that's not how human genetic variant works: