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Who trians taekwondo as an effective fighting stlye for the street?
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I don't, but my kids do. That count?


how do they train? What are some of the excercises they do? peace over war


Honestly, they have a pretty crappy instructor. I had to teach them to stretch before class, because the instructor never did. They are learning Tae Kwon Do and are almost danbo (hope I spelled that right) belts, but I don't believe that they could protect themselves with it if they were in the situation.


are they training it as a sport or fighting stlye?I cant imagine people actually teaching small kids how to fight...peace over war


It's supposed to both. They are 10 and 12, so they are old enought to fight back if needed. They do spar, but from what I've been told, he is teaching them incorrectly. And, they are expected to participate in tournaments.


do they take it in America? is the instructor american?peace over war
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cjay_weeps wrote:


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cjay_weeps wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


cjay_weeps wrote:

I don't, but my kids do. That count?


how do they train? What are some of the excercises they do? peace over war


Honestly, they have a pretty crappy instructor. I had to teach them to stretch before class, because the instructor never did. They are learning Tae Kwon Do and are almost danbo (hope I spelled that right) belts, but I don't believe that they could protect themselves with it if they were in the situation.


are they training it as a sport or fighting stlye?I cant imagine people actually teaching small kids how to fight...peace over war


It's supposed to both. They are 10 and 12, so they are old enought to fight back if needed. They do spar, but from what I've been told, he is teaching them incorrectly. And, they are expected to participate in tournaments.


do they take it in America? is the instructor american?peace over war


Yep, we live in the US, and he's American. I guess that's the part of the problem.
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i don't see how it would work in a real situation. most fights start out with both fighters about 4 inches away from eachother, right in each others faces. if you can pull off a kick at 4 inches away, then i think it could be very effective.....otherwise Muay Thai or Krav will reign


why pull off a kick that close when u can just punch or headbutt?...maybe a knee would be more effectice...honestly speaking i was asking if any one took taekwondo as a effective street fighting stlye, and how they go about training it...im starting to think it no longer exists...too many people get confused about martial sport and martial art...taekwondo today is mostly trained as a sport...back in acient times, it was a martial art used by the military, i wasnt asking if taekwondo is effective in a street.Im asking who trains it to be effective in the street...so far people simply dont believe it can be trained for street purposes at all...peace over war


very few martial arts teach knee techniques, and fewer still teach headbutts. the fact of the matter is that there are far simpler martial arts that can be used more effectively than tae kwon do.

of course tae kwon do TEACHES hand strikes, but when you spar its all kicks, and that is not going to work if the only strikes you know how to properly time is a kick. i learned the firs 4 tae kwon do forms as a kid(took tae kwon do), and though i remember using hand motions, i had no idea what they were for or how to use them outside of the form itself. sparring is where you work on your timing and your accuracy, and if you're not implementing the strikes you learn from the forms, you honestly won't know how to use them in a fight

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Taekwondo doesn't suit well in most combat situations. Even korean commandos that was sent in the Vietnam War are forced to use fist fighting techniques because of rough terrain. In the streets, there are too many factors that will ruin your fighting style.

then why not "use only that which works"? what are these "factors" u keep mentioning?How do u know what my fighting stlye is like? Where doesnt taekwondo suit well? What situations? punching techniques are a part of taekwondo as well...
the street as infinite factors that can ruin ne ones fighting stlye...why not get rid of the factors?why not lift the boundaries...?its still taekwondo...just without the bounderies...peace over war


The dynamic environment of the street will make you think otherwise. Teakwondo emphasized on speed and balance, take these factors away then it'll ruin your rhythm. Other factors like rough terrain, environmental hazards, weather conditions and etc can ruin your form.

BTW, martial artist doesn't get of rid unwanted factors but rather they adapt to their environment.

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well... i trained taekwondo as a sport.. not as a form of fighting style... you could bring it into a fight... but the only kicks you be dishing out is most prob the turning kick.. Hapkido seems more reliable as a fighting style as it goes for the weak points of the body and breaks the opponents balance instead of scoring points... but that's my opinion of course...
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I just thought about for a second and maybe what your thinking of is taekkyeon a ancient Korean fighting style that look similar to taekwondo but more brute?


yea, thats probably what im trying to say, or rather prove...either taekwondo was deprived from that, or taekkyeon was simply turned into a sport called taekwondo... peace over war
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i don't see how it would work in a real situation. most fights start out with both fighters about 4 inches away from eachother, right in each others faces. if you can pull off a kick at 4 inches away, then i think it could be very effective.....otherwise Muay Thai or Krav will reign


why pull off a kick that close when u can just punch or headbutt?...maybe a knee would be more effectice...honestly speaking i was asking if any one took taekwondo as a effective street fighting stlye, and how they go about training it...im starting to think it no longer exists...too many people get confused about martial sport and martial art...taekwondo today is mostly trained as a sport...back in acient times, it was a martial art used by the military, i wasnt asking if taekwondo is effective in a street.Im asking who trains it to be effective in the street...so far people simply dont believe it can be trained for street purposes at all...peace over war


very few martial arts teach knee techniques, and fewer still teach headbutts. the fact of the matter is that there are far simpler martial arts that can be used more effectively than tae kwon do.

of course tae kwon do TEACHES hand strikes, but when you spar its all kicks, and that is not going to work if the only strikes you know how to properly time is a kick. i learned the firs 4 tae kwon do forms as a kid(took tae kwon do), and though i remember using hand motions, i had no idea what they were for or how to use them outside of the form itself. sparring is where you work on your timing and your accuracy, and if you're not implementing the strikes you learn from the forms, you honestly won't know how to use them in a fight

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u dont have to be taught how to knee and headbutt to be able to do it...its quite simple actually...

and i have said this before, but fights r based on individuals, not stlyes. There is no such thing as a surperior style. People decide what's the most effective style for them, not the stlyes themselves...While taekwondo may not work for u, it does work for me.


And taekwondo ususally doesnt spar with all kicks...punches to the body r also allowed...while we r on this topic, i will go ahead and say the only sparring that will help u in a street fight is full contacct/ little to no rules sparring.All other forms of sparring will just restrict your options.Also the hand techniques you learn in forms is generally useless because people r ususally never taught where they r striking, as well as the fact they cant strike to the face/neck/testicles/eyes/ect in taekwondo sparring. So essentially you have to teach yourself all of that stuff and take off all the rules/ restrictions when you fight in the street.btw i am talking about taekwondo as a martial sport...i dont know anything about taekwondo as a martial art effective fighting stlye, but if u train it as a sport it wont be effective on the streets...if u train it as a fighting stlye, it will suit you just fine...peace over war

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Taekwondo doesn't suit well in most combat situations. Even korean commandos that was sent in the Vietnam War are forced to use fist fighting techniques because of rough terrain. In the streets, there are too many factors that will ruin your fighting style.

then why not "use only that which works"? what are these "factors" u keep mentioning?How do u know what my fighting stlye is like? Where doesnt taekwondo suit well? What situations? punching techniques are a part of taekwondo as well...
the street as infinite factors that can ruin ne ones fighting stlye...why not get rid of the factors?why not lift the boundaries...?its still taekwondo...just without the bounderies...peace over war


The dynamic environment of the street will make you think otherwise. Teakwondo emphasized on speed and balance, take these factors away then it'll ruin your rhythm. Other factors like rough terrain, environmental hazards, weather conditions and etc can ruin your form.

BTW, martial artist doesn't get of rid unwanted factors but rather they adapt to their environment.

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why would i take away speed and balance? i dont fight on a rhythm...my form is like water, so therefore it is formless...i still dont see where u r coming from...peace over war
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Taekwondo doesn't suit well in most combat situations. Even korean commandos that was sent in the Vietnam War are forced to use fist fighting techniques because of rough terrain. In the streets, there are too many factors that will ruin your fighting style.

then why not "use only that which works"? what are these "factors" u keep mentioning?How do u know what my fighting stlye is like? Where doesnt taekwondo suit well? What situations? punching techniques are a part of taekwondo as well...
the street as infinite factors that can ruin ne ones fighting stlye...why not get rid of the factors?why not lift the boundaries...?its still taekwondo...just without the bounderies...peace over war


The dynamic environment of the street will make you think otherwise. Teakwondo emphasized on speed and balance, take these factors away then it'll ruin your rhythm. Other factors like rough terrain, environmental hazards, weather conditions and etc can ruin your form.

BTW, martial artist doesn't get of rid unwanted factors but rather they adapt to their environment.

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why would i take away speed and balance? i dont fight on a rhythm...my form is like water, so therefore it is formless...i still dont see where u r coming from...peace over war


I'm talking about your enemies trying to get the weak point of your style. All forms of martial arts follows a pattern or rhythm of attacks... form=stance... You're a practitioner of martial arts, you should know this terminologies better than me.
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i trained taekwondo and karate as a sport.... some fight techniques is useless to fighting with your enemies...
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a gun is more effective ya know =DDD you don't have to pay for trainings.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-7143/Martial-Arts.html




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