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yes a muslim, since last 8 years. but that doesnt matter. anyway,

i'm refering to this

Before Christ the followers of our theological line (The Jews,) had a lot of mitzvah and rituals that no longer apply because Jesus redeemed us from them. One example is that Christians don’t sacrifice goats.

It’s no longer necessary. In the same way, it’s no longer necessary to abstain from eating pigs-and by extension, pork-which is made from pig.

it sounds as if jesus words when he was a llive were taken back by a mere human
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I'm not sure about other people but my friends that are Christian consider "Crap" a swear word, why? O.o Also, does the bible consider words like "f----" and "s---" morally wrong?
Does the bible think that homosexuals should be killed?
Last question, for now, why are there so many branches of Christianity? In a book I read, Irish Chain, a family of Catholics are shocked when one of the daughters goes out with an Evangelical, do Catholics think that Protestants or Evangelicals aren't "real" Christian and morally wrong?
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yes a muslim, since last 8 years. but that doesnt matter. anyway,

i'm refering to this

Before Christ the followers of our theological line (The Jews,) had a lot of mitzvah and rituals that no longer apply because Jesus redeemed us from them. One example is that Christians don’t sacrifice goats.

It’s no longer necessary. In the same way, it’s no longer necessary to abstain from eating pigs-and by extension, pork-which is made from pig.

it sounds as if jesus words when he was a llive were taken back by a mere human


Not really, I don’t think it sounds like that at all. To be honest, I think you’re just searching for a way to discredit Christianity in order to affirm your own religion. Now, mind you-you’re free to do that.

Seriously though, Christianity and Islam shouldn’t be attacking each other. Why bicker behind the scenes, where religion is torn by civil war, when we would be better off standing on the front lines where religion faces the world?

Look, there are plenty of historical sources supporting that Jesus Christ claimed divinity. The Qur’an says this isn’t true, but the Qur’an wasn't written long after Jesus Christ lived. Does this mean that the Qur’an is wrong? No, but from a historical point of view it doesn’t hold any water where Jesus Christ was concerned.

Now, we can trust from a historical point of view that Muhammad (PBUH) said the things that the Qur’an claims he said. Even though it was written during Muhammad’s (PBUH) life, it was written shortly after his death, making it a reliable historical sources from that perspective.

However, it’s only from your religious point of view that it makes sense to rely on the Qur’an to tell you anything about Jesus. The people who wrote the Qur’an never once met Jesus-he was gone long before Muhammad (PBUH) was even born. So, historically the Qur’an can’t be relied upon to judge the contents of Christ’s life.

Now, if you really, really, really want to start an unnecessary conflict I can go all out and do the whole: Christian Vs. Muslim thing.

Honestly though… People are making fun of us. Come on, do you really want to debate Islam and Christianity when there are an army of atheists out there saying that Muslims and Christians are both evil, diluted, weak, and all around inferior?

No, I’m not saying all atheists are doing that-but there are a lot of people who view religion in this way. When we bicker we only confirm their opinion of us. Look, if you want to aid the growth of Islam-try not attacking Christian theology. On one hand, you can’t win. On the other hand, even if you could, it makes no difference.


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no way islam would attack christ. that's just prohibited in islam itself. anyway, i'm asking so that i could understand and explain to other muslim esp some other ppl here(the place i work & live) who talk about christians as if they know about it. that's why i'm asking here. maybe it's not a reliable source but it helps a bit of few misunderstanding that many ppl in rural area here who tought their kids about christian wrong.

and btw, quran itself developed from the old testament. there r so much similarity. and i dont like that christian vs islam thread coz there r too many mr-i'm-always-right and i have no other intention than to know. hope u understand
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Aegis85 wrote:

no way islam would attack christ. that's just prohibited in islam itself. anyway, i'm asking so that i could understand and explain to other muslim esp some other ppl here(the place i work & live) who talk about christians as if they know about it. that's why i'm asking here. maybe it's not a reliable source but it helps a bit of few misunderstanding that many ppl in rural area here who tought their kids about christian wrong.

and btw, quran itself developed from the old testament. there r so much similarity. and i dont like that christian vs islam thread coz there r too many mr-i'm-always-right and i have no other intention than to know. hope u understand


There are plenty of similarities between the old testament and the Qur’an. There are also blatant contradictions.

Your question was, “Why wouldn’t Jesus just run? Why wouldn’t he let an imposter take his place.” I can answer that question, but the it’s not an answer that can be expressed prudently. It’s a lot like a woman asking, “Does this dress make me look fat?”

Usually she doesn’t want a real answer. So, I have to know-do you want a real answer? Will you be mature enough to realize that I’m speaking strictly from my personal and Christian perspective?

It’s an offensive answer-but it’s my personal view…

Islam’s cool with me and all…but I disagree with it, personally. So, do you want me to answer?

Well, if you do...read the spoiler:

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nah, u dont need to coz in islam the situation is kinda different.(jesus run, another man replace him but ppl knows). so if to say in christian story i can say it will be a complete lie if god replace him wif another person.
anyway, thanks again for your prev answer.

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I used to be an atheist. I’m not anymore. The thread you’re talking about was probably my secular analysis of prayer. I think the quote was, “As an atheist I always thought,” where that last word shows that the sentence is past tense. I guess it was misleading because a lot of people made that same mistake. Alas, now you know.

Anyway, Jesus Christ’s followers certainly wouldn’t have wanted him to die. We can agree on that. However, even if Jesus felt pressured into giving his life-it’s still giving his life, just under a different motivation. Also, psychologically analyzing the situation, I think your theorized motive is unlikely-though certainly possible. (This is history, we don’t -know- anything.)

Rather or not Jesus Christ was divine we can all agree that he was incredibly smart. Even if he was lying when he said that he was the son of God he was still a brilliant convict. Given the culture of that time…you’re not going to go around telling people you’re the son of the Jewish God without making some enemies. This is especially true if you’re convincing people on large scale, like Jesus did.

So, Jesus Christ doubtlessly knew that he was putting himself at risk very early on in his ‘career.’ I don’t think it’s likely that it was a spur of the moment thing. Doubtlessly, Jesus was prepared from the very beginning. So, I don’t feel it’s very likely that it was a decision made based on a sense of being pressured.

Besides, Jesus Christ was never one to give into pressure. There were many times when Jesus was being pressed to do one thing and-although he doubtlessly knew it would put him in harms way-did the opposite. One example is that he associated with Samaritans even though he was a Jew. He also had dinner with a hated tax collector.

So, why would Jesus give up his life if not for pressure? Well, there are a lot of answers we can come up with-but to be honest, I think there that there is only one that holds water:

Jesus truly believed that he was the son of god and his sin would redeem mankind.

He was either the son of God or completely crazy.


yes, well in me it somehow evoked the feeling that you are talking about some past thoughts that you was having in your atheistic life, but that by now you've changed your mindset about it, but while doing so, still being an atheist. anyway, it's not that important, just thought i need to be random

well, who says that he was lying? maybe he really believed that he was the son of god. but question is, what or why did he think so? could it be that he was taught from small on that he was god's son? when a child is taught from small on, everyday, that it is someone else, in this case the son of god, then the naive mind of the child will start to believe it, and will perceive everything from that point of view, in that matter, he was set into the position of son's god, so he somehow, inside of his mind, took that idea over, being strongly persuaded that he was the son of god, and even if someone would tell him that he ain't, he'd think that they are lying, as this thought of him being the son of god, this persuasion of his own divinity was deeply engraved into his memory and that from small on, before he even could walk. EVERYTHING in his whole life, from little on, was based on the fact that he IS the son of god. for example i doubt that you'd be able to simply persuade the dalai lama, that he ain't the dalai lama, as he was grown up like that, being taught that he is the chosen one.
the fact that he'd persuade lots of people just like that was, because he'd really believe what he was saying. if someone is persuaded of something, then he'd rather convince someone of it's truth than if he wasn't persuaded of that idea himself. the best way to catch someone's attention and belief, is to show that you yourself stand behind your words with everything you have, and as you might have noticed, jesus stood behind his actions with his whole "heart". i mean you always notice when someone says something, if they are really convinced of what they are saying or if they're not, well unless they'd be very very good actors.

~anyway, this might sound like a crazy idea, but hey, everything is possible. ; )

so, you never did some actions knowing that the side-effects might hit you any time, but simply brushing this bad thoughts off your chest and hoping for the best? some people don't even think so far when they do something. they'd do something without even really realising the consequences of their actions. not everyone is so calculative in their head. sometimes our emotions, opinions are too strong, and if you are a human being who has strong morals/opinions/emotions, then you'd never betray your own morals/opinions, even if it meant to have a very bad outcome for you.
it might be true that he'd associated with samaritans, but was he really a jew? my point is, just because you were born into a certain ethnicity or religious group, what makes you a jew? what if he was never taught, or persuaded of those jewish prejudices towards a certain thing/group? he was convinced of himself being the son of god, and not a jew. the fact that he was the son of god was already so overwhelming that i doubt that he'd really give any serious importance to his ethnical origins, especially if he was brought up that way. and especially since his fellow jews would consider him as a plague and scum. i am sure that even you'd rather associate with someone you can somehow identify yourself with. jesus was in a sticky situation, his own people wouldn't really accept him, so he had to search for other places.
the fact that he'd meet a hated tax collector, that was just a tactical bonus, it would persuade people that jesus believes in everyone, and that god is definitely all-loving, no matter who you are. it was a good tactical move to give his divinity more credibility. either that, OR he was really that naive and good-hearted. the latter seems to be ..too..ideal and pure, especially for a human, but then again it's possible.

well, yes, the possibility that he was really persuaded of him being the saviour, is quite high. but knowing how long ago this happened...what if the crucification and the reawakening was just a trick a la copperfield to give his divinity more credibility, to make his life more memorable for the others, to make his newly made religion expand faster? knowing how people are so naive, and easy to manipulate, this ain't even blown out of proportion. lol

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well, who says that he was lying? maybe he really believed that he was the son of god. but question is, what or why did he think so? could it be that he was taught from small on that he was god's son? when a child is taught from small on, everyday, that it is someone else, in this case the son of god, then the naive mind of the child will start to believe it, and will perceive everything from that point of view, in that matter, he was set into the position of son's god, so he somehow, inside of his mind, took that idea over, being strongly persuaded that he was the son of god, and even if someone would tell him that he ain't, he'd think that they are lying, as this thought of him being the son of god, this persuasion of his own divinity was deeply engraved into his memory and that from small on, before he even could walk. EVERYTHING in his whole life, from little on, was based on the fact that he IS the son of god. for example i doubt that you'd be able to simply persuade the dalai lama, that he ain't the dalai lama, as he was grown up like that, being taught that he is the chosen one.

the fact that he'd persuade lots of people just like that was, because he'd really believe what he was saying. if someone is persuaded of something, then he'd rather convince someone of it's truth than if he wasn't persuaded of that idea himself. the best way to catch someone's attention and belief, is to show that you yourself stand behind your words with everything you have, and as you might have noticed, jesus stood behind his actions with his whole "heart". i mean you always notice when someone says something, if they are really convinced of what they are saying or if they're not, well unless they'd be very very good actors.


Well, that’s another possibility. Still, that’s not likely. First off, Jesus Christ didn’t start his movement until he was thirty-three. Second off, he didn’t have the divinity complex.

You tell a child everyday of his life that he’s God and the son of God and eventually that child develops the divinity complex. Psychologists and historians have worked together to analyze Jesus Christ and he simply doesn’t show the signs of this mental disorder.

My little sister is a really spoiled brat. She’s arrogant and absolutely convinced she’s the most beautiful, smart, nice, and funny girl in the world. My parents have told her from an early age that she was a princess. It’s no surprise that she’s got an ego.

Jesus Christ, however, was known to be incredibly down to earth. He wasn’t obsessed with himself like somebody raised to think that they were God. Consider it from your own personal view. Jesus Christ was a man who walked up to people and said, “Drop what you’re doing, leave everything behind, follow me.”

They followed. Now, put yourself in their shoes. Do you think that you’d follow somebody completely obsessed with themselves? Do you think you’d believe somebody who was completely convinced they were God if there wasn’t something special about him? Do you think that anybody would ever have followed Jesus if he was the product of a family environment that taught him of his inherent superiority as the supreme being?

No, you really wouldn’t, nobody would. However, if Jesus Christ was more concerned with you, if he made you feel special, then you might. Jesus Christ didn’t just go around talking about his divinity like somebody who was raised with it. It wasn’t just a casual element of his life. If Jesus Christ had been constantly told that he was God since he was little, don’t you think he’d take it for granted?

Yet, he didn’t. Everyone, from the Gnostics, to the Pharisees, to the Romans, to the Ebionites themselves agrees that Jesus Christ was very down to earth. He felt at home with his disciples and they felt at home with him. He made people feel comfortable around him.

These are behaviors completely opposite somebody with the divinity complex. Besides, we cannot deny the philosophical value of his teachings. The fact is that these were completely brilliant, like nothing anybody had ever heard before. Jesus Christ was uneducated, and had no access to education. Yet, he revolutionized human thought and philosophy.


~anyway, this might sound like a crazy idea, but hey, everything is possible. ; )


Everything -is- possible. Still, some things aren’t worth believing.


so, you never did some actions knowing that the side-effects might hit you any time, but simply brushing this bad thoughts off your chest and hoping for the best? some people don't even think so far when they do something. they'd do something without even really realising the consequences of their actions. not everyone is so calculative in their head. sometimes our emotions, opinions are too strong, and if you are a human being who has strong morals/opinions/emotions, then you'd never betray your own morals/opinions, even if it meant to have a very bad outcome for you.


Jesus Christ managed a massive following. He kept these people fed and clothed. He was probably very rich. You don’t get such a large following without thinking ahead. I mean, consider Obama. He’s very smart, very eloquent-do you think he would’ve ever reached this point in his career without considering his future?

Jesus Christ was not a rash person. He took time, meditated, and thought out his actions. Again, if he didn’t realize that by publicly claiming divinity he’d be crucified then he was just stupid. Jews were being crucified left and right in that time period. Jesus was a Jew.

Jesus wasn’t stupid. Jesus doubtlessly knew that he was going to put himself in danger.

There were also times when he bit his tongue and escape. There are many sources all agreeing that, when subjected to attack, Jesus often ‘miraculously escaped.’ In other words, he ran away. Yet, when it came time for the crucifixion, Jesus Christ willingly went along. Why? There must’ve been something special about this sacrifice, or at lest he thought so.

Again, it’s not pressure. We’ve already discussed that. Jesus Christ never once acted based on his peers. He acted based on his wisdom and his morals.


it might be true that he'd associated with samaritans, but was he really a jew? my point is, just because you were born into a certain ethnicity or religious group, what makes you a jew? what if he was never taught, or persuaded of those jewish prejudices towards a certain thing/group? he was convinced of himself being the son of god, and not a jew. the fact that he was the son of god was already so overwhelming that i doubt that he'd really give any serious importance to his ethnical origins, especially if he was brought up that way. and especially since his fellow jews would consider him as a plague and scum. i am sure that even you'd rather associate with someone you can somehow identify yourself with. jesus was in a sticky situation, his own people wouldn't really accept him, so he had to search for other places.


Again, every source that talks about Jesus says that he was completely zealous about his Jewish heritage. Jesus Christ -did- from an early age burry himself in the scriptures. He was raised to view the world as a Jew. He was raised by a Jewish family, in a Jewish culture, studying Jewish religion.

By ever definition of the word Jesus was Jewish-and we can even see the influences of Judeo theology in his teachings. Jesus Christ continuously cited the Tanakh and torah to defend what he was saying; moreover, not all the Jews hated Jesus.

The Pharisees-a powerful sects of Jews-hated Jesus. The Sadducees not nondenominational Jews were mostly unbothered by him.


the fact that he'd meet a hated tax collector, that was just a tactical bonus, it would persuade people that jesus believes in everyone, and that god is definitely all-loving, no matter who you are. it was a good tactical move to give his divinity more credibility. either that, OR he was really that naive and good-hearted. the latter seems to be ..too..ideal and pure, especially for a human, but then again it's possible.


So Jesus was a con artist? That in and of itself is highly unlikely.


well, yes, the possibility that he was really persuaded of him being the saviour, is quite high. but knowing how long ago this happened...what if the crucification and the reawakening was just a trick a la copperfield to give his divinity more credibility, to make his life more memorable for the others, to make his newly made religion expand faster? knowing how people are so naive, and easy to manipulate, this ain't even blown out of proportion. lol


People are easy to manipulate when you’re giving them what they want. The early Christians were subject to horrible tortures, crucifixions, decapitations, and execution. Anyway, most people consider Christ’s death proof that he wasn’t divine. They then denied his resurrection. Let’s say that the whole thing was a set up. Jesus some how convinced everyone that he’d been killed and was back. Why did he only appear to a few people?

Just food for thought.
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most pple dont see this but Jesus is God there are three forms of God; the father (the almighty god in heaven) the son (jesus christ the physical god sent here to teach us and guide us) and the holy spirit (the small piece of God within us all) these three are the part of the same God and we call it the holy trinity recited before prayer and mass.
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I think I am taking a one way ticket to hell.
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If you get tired of the questions, please feel free to ignore them.

16- Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17-"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18-"Which ones?" the man inquired.
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,
19-honor your father and mother, and 'love your neighbor as yourself

Matthew 19:16-19

These Verses are more similar to Islam commandments... I was little surprised that they're still unchanged
[151]Say: Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-- (remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear of) poverty-- We provide for you and for them-- and do not draw nigh to indecencies(shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), those of them which are apparent and those which are concealed, and do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except for the requirements of justice; this He has enjoined you with that you may understand.
[152]And do not approach the property of the orphan except in the best manner until he attains his maturity, and give full measure and weight with justice-- We do not impose on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability; and when you speak, then be just though it be (against) a relative, and fulfill Allah's covenant; this He has enjoined you with that you may be mindful;

(Quran 6)

also,
[67]And they who when they spend, are neither extravagant nor parsimonious, and (keep) between these the just mean.
[68]And they who do not call upon another god with Allah and do not slay the soul, which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;
[69] The punishment shall be doubled to him on the day of resurrection, and he shall abide therein in abasement;
[70] And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.
[71]And they who do not bear witness to what is false, and when they pass by what is vain, they pass by nobly.
...
[75]Those will be rewarded with the highest place (in Paradise) because of their patience. Therein they shall be met with greetings and the word of peace and respect.
[76]Abiding therein; goodly the abode and the resting-place.

(Quran 25)


According to (Matthew 19:16-19) salvation comes through keeping of the commandments, but Doesn't that conflict with:
(Colossians 2:14)
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

(1 Corinthians 15:14)
And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.


Now salvation can only be obtained through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Who do you(christians) follow [Jesus( peace be upon him) or Paul]?
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anti-freeze wrote:

...no matter what you pray about others you cannot do them any good, because if god changes this person's mind then go no longer gives us free will.



i don't think god would literally change the person's mind...but maybe god will just guide and enlighten the person by sending "signs" or by sending other people to influence that him...or something like that :unsure:...and it's up to the person if he/she will listen....
So god removes the free will of someone who has already accepted them?

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emiems wrote:"I will pray for you" meaning that the person will pray to God, not for Him to change a another person's mind and remove his free will, but to actually ask God to help this certain person. It does not mean that we ask God to change you, but to help you instead with your problems or whatever.

What do you mean with your second question?
Umm... I really only had one question.. my what is the point question is asking why should christians care? Some people just have their minds made up and as a result regardless of what people say or do, this individual is going to hell.

You say that you are asking god to help us with our problems. Well to be honest I do not have any real problems in life. My life is just peachy, I make enough money to live comfortably, I have enough friends, I have plenty of hobbies to keep my mind off of my inevitable death. So what problems is god supposed to help me deal with?

Keep in mind that I am an Atheist, so the only times when Christians have said "I will pray for you" is when I have openly expressed my Atheism and my lack of desire to change that fact.

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Real_ZERO wrote:

If you get tired of the questions, please feel free to ignore them.

16- Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17-"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18-"Which ones?" the man inquired.
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,
19-honor your father and mother, and 'love your neighbor as yourself

Matthew 19:16-19

These Verses are more similar to Islam commandments... I was little surprised that they're still unchanged
[151]Say: Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-- (remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear of) poverty-- We provide for you and for them-- and do not draw nigh to indecencies(shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), those of them which are apparent and those which are concealed, and do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except for the requirements of justice; this He has enjoined you with that you may understand.
[152]And do not approach the property of the orphan except in the best manner until he attains his maturity, and give full measure and weight with justice-- We do not impose on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability; and when you speak, then be just though it be (against) a relative, and fulfill Allah's covenant; this He has enjoined you with that you may be mindful;

(Quran 6)

also,
[67]And they who when they spend, are neither extravagant nor parsimonious, and (keep) between these the just mean.
[68]And they who do not call upon another god with Allah and do not slay the soul, which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;
[69] The punishment shall be doubled to him on the day of resurrection, and he shall abide therein in abasement;
[70] And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.
[71]And they who do not bear witness to what is false, and when they pass by what is vain, they pass by nobly.
...
[75]Those will be rewarded with the highest place (in Paradise) because of their patience. Therein they shall be met with greetings and the word of peace and respect.
[76]Abiding therein; goodly the abode and the resting-place.

(Quran 25)


According to (Matthew 19:16-19) salvation comes through keeping of the commandments, but Doesn't that conflict with:
(Colossians 2:14)
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

(1 Corinthians 15:14)
And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.


Now salvation can only be obtained through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Who do you(christians) follow [Jesus( peace be upon him) or Paul]?


In Matthew 16 Jesus is making a point. If you read further on in the chapter, you will find why Jesus said that, and the point He was making. It's all on context.

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[e]"

20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."


In the last verse, Jesus affirms that only through God can we be saved. Jesus has fulfilled the Law, and through faith and repentance before Jesus are we saved. Through Jesus Christ are we saved, we cannot save ourselves. Our works cannot get us into heaven.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


The wages of sin are not only physical death, but also spiritual death, in that after our physical body dies, our soul dies. By this, I mean our soul is cast into hell, which is complete isolation from God and from every other being. This is what our sins deserve, and no where is it found where our actions permit us into heaven, where God pardons the sin of a sinful man just because he did something "good." The good news is, is that God offers salvation freely to those who humble their hearts before Jesus Christ and repent of their sins before Him. The only way to remove our sins is through forgiveness, and Jesus forgives and saves. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. No one can come into heaven and to the Father unless they go through Jesus Christ, because He is the one who forgives, and He loves us and wishes that all would repent and humble their hearts.

To answer your last question. Christians follow Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the Law of the Old Testament, and is God the Son. Paul was a teacher, He taught about Jesus and salvation after Jesus had died, resurrected, and gone to heaven. All Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and all Scripture in the Holy Bible is the Word of God.

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digs wrote:
In Matthew 16 Jesus is making a point. If you read further on in the chapter, you will find why Jesus said that, and the point He was making. It's all on context.

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[e]"

20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."


In the last verse, Jesus affirms that only through God can we be saved. Jesus has fulfilled the Law, and through faith and repentance before Jesus are we saved. Through Jesus Christ are we saved, we cannot save ourselves. Our works cannot get us into heaven.



I surely have read further... it is not the point ....nothing changes

What Jesus (peace be upon him ) said in the last verse is the same what Prophet Mohamad (peace be upon him) said:
"No one of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone."
They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?"
He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His Grace and Mercy"



digs wrote:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Romans is also written by Paul!
I'm still seeing what Paul said is conflicting with what Jesus (peace be upon him) said...




digs wrote:
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Definitely
[Quran 4:64 ]We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah
[Quran 4:80 ]Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah



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