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Do You Think They Are Over Doing It?
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pretty mcuh, do you think games that have been conintued on from their orginal start are being killed?

example, FF1 to FF14 i think
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Not so much Final Fantasy since it's a new cast and a new story every time.
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I think that some of the icons of the past are going to start disappearing. You use final fantasy as an example. This is a game that a majority of gamers do not play. Plus I am sure Square is running out of ideas on how to make a Final Fantasy game.

In general I can see this happening to a lot of franchises. Mainly because of how games have advanced. Games like Mario and Sonic worked wonderfully in 2-D but sadly they do not work very well in 3-D. Granted most of the mario sports games work great in 3-D because they are just simple sports games. Another thing to keep in mind is what most game playing individuals are playing. And thus far most game playing individuals demand lots of Halo. And since the golden age of gaming is over it is all about the money. So companies are going to cater to the idiot masses.

Yes this is sad, but hey everything must come to an end.
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I think that some of the icons of the past are going to start disappearing. You use final fantasy as an example. This is a game that a majority of gamers do not play. Plus I am sure Square is running out of ideas on how to make a Final Fantasy game.

In general I can see this happening to a lot of franchises. Mainly because of how games have advanced. Games like Mario and Sonic worked wonderfully in 2-D but sadly they do not work very well in 3-D. Granted most of the mario sports games work great in 3-D because they are just simple sports games. Another thing to keep in mind is what most game playing individuals are playing. And thus far most game playing individuals demand lots of Halo. And since the golden age of gaming is over it is all about the money. So companies are going to cater to the idiot masses.

Yes this is sad, but hey everything must come to an end.


What I'm curious on is what will rise from those ashes. Innovative concepts that have looked back on past mistakes then reflected over it so it can be avoided. Or will it be one-hit-wonders or just rip-off after rip-off.
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What I'm curious on is what will rise from those ashes. Innovative concepts that have looked back on past mistakes then reflected over it so it can be avoided. Or will it be one-hit-wonders or just rip-off after rip-off.
Ha ha well it is hard to say, I am not an industry expert, and people tend to think of me as an Elitist ass hole. However, since you are asking for my opinion... hmmm what will rise from the ashes? That is a very good question.... ummm... I think that innovation is going to come not from the makers but the players. If you run around the net you can find anyone with an internet connection trying to express their thoughts on a game. And often times some of them slip up and can express an idea that a developer will use to create the next big innovation. Gaming is not like movies or music where you just stand up and start screaming. With gaming you can get a good idea of what people like and dislike.... ... crap my mind is blanking.... But in the end I feel that the next big innovation will be inspired by the players. Then again that depends on what you define innovation as...
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anti-freeze wrote:

I think that some of the icons of the past are going to start disappearing. You use final fantasy as an example. This is a game that a majority of gamers do not play. Plus I am sure Square is running out of ideas on how to make a Final Fantasy game.

In general I can see this happening to a lot of franchises. Mainly because of how games have advanced. Games like Mario and Sonic worked wonderfully in 2-D but sadly they do not work very well in 3-D. Granted most of the mario sports games work great in 3-D because they are just simple sports games. Another thing to keep in mind is what most game playing individuals are playing. And thus far most game playing individuals demand lots of Halo. And since the golden age of gaming is over it is all about the money. So companies are going to cater to the idiot masses.

Yes this is sad, but hey everything must come to an end.


I doubt the majority of gamers play the same game. Not everyone plays Halo, Gears, God of War, GTA.

Also didn't the new Mario game for the Wii get superb reviews?
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I doubt the majority of gamers play the same game. Not everyone plays Halo, Gears, God of War, GTA.

Also didn't the new Mario game for the Wii get superb reviews?
No not everyone plays these games, I have never played gears of war. But look at the demographic that game is aimed at. Young males who spend more time playing video games online than actually playing the single player mode. Video games are aimed at the masses so that they will make money. This is not the SNES era where any twat with a computer could spend a few bucks and make a video game, and if it sold yay if it didn't then oh well. Most video games, going into the future will be aimed at the majority. I was merely using Halo as an example.

As for Mario, yes the most recent mario game was indeed very fun, a vast improvement from its GCN predecessor. But I still think that mario does not work well in 3-D. Granted Mario works far better than Sonic.

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how about the " Tales " series they already have 10 tales games
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Incontrovertible wrote:

I doubt the majority of gamers play the same game. Not everyone plays Halo, Gears, God of War, GTA.

Also didn't the new Mario game for the Wii get superb reviews?
No not everyone plays these games, I have never played gears of war. But look at the demographic that game is aimed at. Young males who spend more time playing video games online than actually playing the single player mode. Video games are aimed at the masses so that they will make money. This is not the SNES era where any twat with a computer could spend a few bucks and make a video game, and if it sold yay if it didn't then oh well. Most video games, going into the future will be aimed at the majority. I was merely using Halo as an example.

As for Mario, yes the most recent mario game was indeed very fun, a vast improvement from its GCN predecessor. But I still think that mario does not work well in 3-D. Granted Mario works far better than Sonic.



All single player modes have an ending and normally once people finish the single player mode people don't replay the games. If there is an online feature than it gives the game more value which justifies the increase in price for current video games. The only reason that people spend more time online than they do actually playing the story mode is because you get more variety and you're actually playing against someone else and not the computer AI.

Its pretty much common sense think about it. Buy a game for 60 dollars. 20 hours of gameplay and no online play. Thats about 3 dollars each hour you paid for whilst you can get 20 hours of gameplay AND online play which normally is more exciting than single player mode because well you're killing another person. Its also funny to hear the little kids whine. Granted this is only for FPS games.

Also the demographic you just said is basically every single company's target because young males are generally the only ones who continue to play video games. Granted there are a lot of others who keep playing them as they age, but by no means do they outnumber the amount of young males playing.

Eh, If Nintendo used your mindset they would be out of money because one person "thinks" it isn't better.
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All single player modes have an ending and normally once people finish the single player mode people don't replay the games. If there is an online feature than it gives the game more value which justifies the increase in price for current video games. The only reason that people spend more time online than they do actually playing the story mode is because you get more variety and you're actually playing against someone else and not the computer AI.

Its pretty much common sense think about it. Buy a game for 60 dollars. 20 hours of gameplay and no online play. Thats about 3 dollars each hour you paid for whilst you can get 20 hours of gameplay AND online play which normally is more exciting than single player mode because well you're killing another person. Its also funny to hear the little kids whine. Granted this is only for FPS games.

Also the demographic you just said is basically every single company's target because young males are generally the only ones who continue to play video games. Granted there are a lot of others who keep playing them as they age, but by no means do they outnumber the amount of young males playing.

Eh, If Nintendo used your mindset they would be out of money because one person "thinks" it isn't better.You missed my point, you see I know that most young males do not even look at single player mode these days. Most people just want another gun in a different setting to kill other players with. Granted I am not a fan of playing $9.95 a month to get online access. Granted playing online does give you a new challenge, in playing another person. But you are forgetting the new trends in gaming, namely "Achievements",Trading in Games, and HD games.

I really curse Microsoft for Achievements. Those annoying little thing that you get points for, that microsoft records. For a lot of "gamers" these days their achievement points are all that matters. And have you played any XBox games? The stuff they give points for is hardly what I would call an achievement. But people eat that stuff up. I remember when the Sony uhh god what was it 2.4 fireware update came out. I had Sony's take on achievements, Trophies. And well 2.4 bricked a lot of PS3s. And if you read the forums commenting on the issue and rumors that were flying around about the fate of Trophies.... well lets say that at least 75% of the posts said "If Trophies are taken out I am selling my PS3" and "Trophies is the only reason I bought a PS3". Plus achievements supply the bitter sweet industry of Trading in games.

If you spend a lot of time in a game store you will see the common trend for most "gamers", they buy a couple of games, get bored of them or earn all the achievements and trade them in. These days people are trading in games like it is going out of business. This process devalues games, it does not matter if a game is good or if a game is bad people will trade it in. Granted that is a good thing for me, when I am having a month where I have extra cash. But it is annoying because it devalues games. It makes companies not have to care as much about the games they make. Because no matter how great a game is it will always get traded in. So what is the point, in the end all that matters is hype so that a company can get that initial opening sale. But this is no where near as bad as the demand for HD.

There are so many technological posers these days it makes me ashamed that I have any interest in technology. And mainly in the video game industry it is how realistic something looks. Gaming can be compared to movies. Over the past few years it has advanced greatly. But the problem is that with technology people out grow it faster. I have heard so many times people bash old systems, and even some new systems, because these systems do not have an advanced graphics engine. Take the Wii for example. Nintendo made a point that they wanted to shake up the gaming industry. So they made a motion sensitive system, instead of a system with incredible graphics. And even to this day, with all the innovation the Wii has brought, people still say the Wii sucks. Not on account of its game library, there are plenty of good Wii games out there, not on account of its motion sensitive system, keep in mind the Sixaxis and the rumored break away controller as well as the rumored microsoft project. Not on account of how expensive the system is, $250 is hardly a price to pay. Nope it is all because the Wii has overclocked last gen graphics. That is is so many people these days denounce the system because you can still see polygons, you can still tell the game is not real.

As for Nintendo's mindset, I had to laugh when you made that comment. Did you know that Nintendo was planning on the Wii being the last Nintendo System? Yup it is true, they were going to invest in 4 Million Wiis and that was pretty much it. Then they would go the way of Sega and get out of the hardware game. But the Wii just happened to take off, and they are around for another generation.

Anyway, most company's are over doing their company mascots. I have yet to meet a franchise that can withstand the test of time. I mean the only reason Final Fantasy has lasted as long as it has is because of the fact that there is a different story, and all the stories are unrelated. Plus there is a lot of wiggle room for games like final fantasy, so in the end it is the main director's getting bored that will really end Final Fantasy. As where with Mario and Sonic you have three objectives, squish enemies, get currency, and get to the end of the level. Not much wiggle room there. I mean yes you can innovate but only by taking away the control of the character. If you look at a lot of the innovative stuff that Sonic and Mario do it always involves taking away control from players. I mean take Super Sonic for example. Back in the day you could collect all the Chaos Emeralds and become Sonic, which meant you had super shes and invincibility. But these days you get one maybe two levels where you can be super sonic to ensure that you wont die or glitch the game engine. Or take super Mario Galaxy. You are launched between planets, and all you can do is fly. You cannot launch and then guide yourself to another planet, because chances are you would fly off the end of the map. But still a it would be nice to have more control over Mario.

And I am still sticking to the money argument. Video games are no longer about Art or making something cool. It is all about the money. And coming up with a new idea that does not involve violence and sarcasm will not sell, or REALLY hot chicks, the game will not sell. And if a game will not sell well a game is not worth producing then. More and more it seems that there is becoming a standard for what games are going to come out.
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Damn your shit is long. Violence argument... eh I can't really say much there I would never pick up Harvest Moon no matter how great of a game it is. Granted that doesnt mean I only play games where I shoot people because FPS games are the things that I least invest in for consoles. All of them are inferior to CS IMO.

What you're saying is that a game is not good and won't sell if it has violence, sarcasm, and really hot chicks. Thats a pretty false statement considering Little Big Planet, which is overhyped but I mean it doesn't have anything you just pointed out. Also Disgaea does not have superb graphics but it still sold on the PS2 and PS3.

I mean its rather unfair you use violence as an argument because generally every single game involves violence of some sort. Although Rockband and Guitar Hero have neither of the three and it does extremely well.

Also even in SNES days FF had great art which made people want to play. Using sex has always been a part of a market.

About the trophies thing, there is no way people who are around the 17-mid 20s range have said that unless it was online. I had xbox(reg) live and the PS3 and I never gave a shit about trophies and whatnot.

The Wii is too much of a party system that it doesn't appeal to hardcore gamers. Thats what Nintendo had in mind to draw in a broader audience and give it to the masses. Saying the Wii is a horrible system is just idiotic considering its sales and how they've been dominating.

What games have you been playing man. White Knight Chronicles looks awesome and Armored Core series is still going.
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Damn your shit is long. Violence argument... eh I can't really say much there I would never pick up Harvest Moon no matter how great of a game it is. Granted that doesnt mean I only play games where I shoot people because FPS games are the things that I least invest in for consoles. All of them are inferior to CS IMO.

What you're saying is that a game is not good and won't sell if it has violence, sarcasm, and really hot chicks. Thats a pretty false statement considering Little Big Planet, which is overhyped but I mean it doesn't have anything you just pointed out. Also Disgaea does not have superb graphics but it still sold on the PS2 and PS3.

I mean its rather unfair you use violence as an argument because generally every single game involves violence of some sort. Although Rockband and Guitar Hero have neither of the three and it does extremely well.

Also even in SNES days FF had great art which made people want to play. Using sex has always been a part of a market.

About the trophies thing, there is no way people who are around the 17-mid 20s range have said that unless it was online. I had xbox(reg) live and the PS3 and I never gave a shit about trophies and whatnot.

The Wii is too much of a party system that it doesn't appeal to hardcore gamers. Thats what Nintendo had in mind to draw in a broader audience and give it to the masses. Saying the Wii is a horrible system is just idiotic considering its sales and how they've been dominating.

What games have you been playing man. White Knight Chronicles looks awesome and Armored Core series is still going.Hee hee, any one who is through will have a strong set of points.

Ok so yes, Violence, Sarcasm and Sex is a little general I do know that, you got me there. But I stand by the over hyped part. The problem with this question is it is to greatly influenced by opinion. You may think Disgaea is great, as do I, but we are the minority. Most people would look at Disgaea as a steaming pile of... well you get my point. Just as there are thousands of people who swear up and down that most Sports games such as NBA 09 or Madden 09 are great games, yet I think they are steaming piles...

As for Guitar Hero and Rock band... Guitar Hero Less than Rock Band... there is still plenty of sex to had from those games. Have you SEEN the female characters? They are dress to show how desireable of a mate they would be... come on. I could point out the violence too... but that is splitting hairs.

As for Achievements, yes people ages 17 - 30 are the ones who said these things. I find that people younger than that don't care. Then again my friend works in a video game shop so I have seen people beg him to let someone plug their HDD into an XBox while they "Demo" a game to get the achievements.

As for the Wii... O.o are you saying I am not a hardcore gamer? I love my Wii there are a ton of fun games. While I will agree nintendo has always been a party system company that does not make it any less hard core... but that is off topic. The Wii is the perfect example of a needed and good innovation. Any Hardcore gamer could appreciate what step the Wii makes for gaming.

What games have I been playing, I have been playing them all man. In fact you have just given me an idea for a weekend project to boast my hardcore gamingness. I can very well agree with you that White Knight Chronicles looks awsome, and that Armored Core is fun. I am also looking forward to Dokapon Kingdom, Fable 2, Banjo Kazoie, Resistance 2, the Various Star Oceans, Last Remniant, Mirror's Edge, Valkyria Chronicles, Rock Band 2, The Next Pixel Junk work, The Next Ratchet and Clank, Leisure Suit Larry, and SOOO many more.

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Hee hee, any one who is through will have a strong set of points.

Ok so yes, Violence, Sarcasm and Sex is a little general I do know that, you got me there. But I stand by the over hyped part. The problem with this question is it is to greatly influenced by opinion. You may think Disgaea is great, as do I, but we are the minority. Most people would look at Disgaea as a steaming pile of... well you get my point. Just as there are thousands of people who swear up and down that most Sports games such as NBA 09 or Madden 09 are great games, yet I think they are steaming piles...

As for Guitar Hero and Rock band... Guitar Hero Less than Rock Band... there is still plenty of sex to had from those games. Have you SEEN the female characters? They are dress to show how desireable of a mate they would be... come on. I could point out the violence too... but that is splitting hairs.

As for Achievements, yes people ages 17 - 30 are the ones who said these things. I find that people younger than that don't care. Then again my friend works in a video game shop so I have seen people beg him to let someone plug their HDD into an XBox while they "Demo" a game to get the achievements.

As for the Wii... O.o are you saying I am not a hardcore gamer? I love my Wii there are a ton of fun games. While I will agree nintendo has always been a party system company that does not make it any less hard core... but that is off topic. The Wii is the perfect example of a needed and good innovation. Any Hardcore gamer could appreciate what step the Wii makes for gaming.

What games have I been playing, I have been playing them all man. In fact you have just given me an idea for a weekend project to boast my hardcore gamingness. I can very well agree with you that White Knight Chronicles looks awsome, and that Armored Core is fun. I am also looking forward to Dokapon Kingdom, Fable 2, Banjo Kazoie, Resistance 2, the Various Star Oceans, Last Remniant, Mirror's Edge, Valkyria Chronicles, Rock Band 2, The Next Pixel Junk work, The Next Ratchet and Clank, Leisure Suit Larry, and SOOO many more.




Stop... deleting my quote so that I know when you start ._.

I wasn't saying you weren't a hardcore gamer, I was saying that the Wii doesn't appeal to many hardcore gamers because of the way it is. The Wii bores me to death honestly and I don't really like too many of the games for the Wii. However thats just how I am, I'm a sony fan because sony keeps me happy with the games they come out with.

The kids who beg for achievements have no friends. That is seriously just fucking pathetic. I mean I could understand if its a certain rank or w/e, but I mean thats just retarded -.-

SRPGs have always been a minor category though compared to FPS and RPGs.

Madden is decent at best. I mean it has a lot of problems, but it keeps me entertained. I don't play NBA games at all anymore.

The Guitar Hero/Rockband really should not count because they are in the background and you really don't pay attention to them at all.

Also any game that looks cool or is expected to be awesome will ALWAYS be overhyped by fanboys. Like Star Wars Force Unleashed and Fable.

Also DoA is a great game with sexual incentive to play it lol. Probably the best fighting game as of today.

Is the Armored Core 4 good? I'm debating on getting it or not since I've never really owned any of those games and only played the demo for the previous one.
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mario
they keep releasing the same game w/ different skills
it takes up the resources that should be used to make up new games
and almost all mario games have the same plot
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No, they are not. And who are we to judge it ? The better they make it, the more enjoyable it is for us.

ie. WOW - WoTLK. Blizzard might have over-done this upcoming expansion (Nov. is the release date) , but it just attracts more customers.
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