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Posted 1/25/09

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Even though it was copied from Sid I think the lock thing was a bit possesive of Nana (but I still find it romantic) and I think theres going to be a deeper meaning to why Ren died cuz Takumi said he didn't press the breaks so maybe it had something to do with Nana (he was feeling guily for not quiting the band or something??) but anyways I liked them as a couple there love was deep and true even if they were alittle messed up!


How is it possessive? I mean he could have taken it off plenty of times before.

Before I was ever turned on to Nana, my girlfriend gave me a lock chain just like that. I found it very romantic.
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Spiffler978 wrote:

Even though it was copied from Sid I think the lock thing was a bit possesive of Nana (but I still find it romantic) and I think theres going to be a deeper meaning to why Ren died cuz Takumi said he didn't press the breaks so maybe it had something to do with Nana (he was feeling guily for not quiting the band or something??) but anyways I liked them as a couple there love was deep and true even if they were alittle messed up!


How is it possessive? I mean he could have taken it off plenty of times before.

Before I was ever turned on to Nana, my girlfriend gave me a lock chain just like that. I found it very romantic.


well I think that nana did it to show that he belongs to her it doesnt mean Im right, I just feel that way due to her personality

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I agree. Don't get me wrong, I loved Ren and Nana's relationship. But towards the end, I started to feel their relationship was getting a little....unhealthy. All the choking stuff, Ren saying he wanted to "kill" her. I think there was a lot of possessiveness and self-destructive tendencies mixed up in their feelings for each other.
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That's so true i agree as well maybe in the beginning it was all about devotion to eachother but i think because they were away from eachother for so long that devotion changed to possessiveness because they felt that they were slowly losing eachother because the things that Nana wanted at the time weren't really the things Ren wanted, and also their pride played a HUGE issue, it was like they wouldn't give in to eachother.
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That's so true i agree as well maybe in the beginning it was all about devotion to eachother but i think because they were away from eachother for so long that devotion changed to possessiveness because they felt that they were slowly losing eachother because the things that Nana wanted at the time weren't really the things Ren wanted, and also their pride played a HUGE issue, it was like they wouldn't give in to eachother.


That makes no sense at all.

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Posted 1/28/09 , edited 1/28/09

Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


Shuffleness wrote:

That's so true i agree as well maybe in the beginning it was all about devotion to eachother but i think because they were away from eachother for so long that devotion changed to possessiveness because they felt that they were slowly losing eachother because the things that Nana wanted at the time weren't really the things Ren wanted, and also their pride played a HUGE issue, it was like they wouldn't give in to eachother.


That makes no sense at all.



How does it not make sense??

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Ren and Nana always had that S&M factor in their relationship. I think some readers like that kinky stuff.
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Ren and Nana always had that S&M factor in their relationship. I think some readers like that kinky stuff.


Well, that's true, but I think there's more to it. I would point to Ren's conversation with Reira (when they drove off to the sea together) where he says that he's been thinking about killing Nana just so that she can be his forever. He is actually worried about how he's feeling and doesn't know what to do about it; it's also implied that he's jealous of Nana's relationship with Yasu - he says he married her just to force "Baldy" out of the picture.

I've been re-reading the earlier chapters lately, and I'm catching lots of stuff I didn't get the first time. Now, it's hitting me how complicated Ren and Nana's love affair really was.
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It’s a fact that Nana loves Ren. Even though sometimes some people seem to think that he loves her more than she loves him, I don’t think love can be measured. Besides I think they both feel the same amount of attraction and dependency on one another. When Ren left for Tokyo I thought it was selfish of her to not want to follow him, but I wouldn’t want to live my own life for someone else like Nana, not even for someone I love and need this much. That’s why I support the fact that they separated for over 2 years, it seems to be a good idea for both of them to learn to be less dependent on one another and try to be more mature. Although when she left for Tokyo she mentioned that she wanted to go not for Ren but to sing, I think if Ren wasn’t in Tokyo she wouldn’t consider going there to further her singing career. If they were still in the same band she most probably wouldn’t mind not going professional. Being full of pride like her, she wants to be on the same standing as Ren before she’s willing to stay by his side.
The way Nana would still think about Ren constantly touches my heart. But despite those 2½ years, Nana didn’t seem to have matured like Ren did. Maybe because of the fact that she’s overprotected by Yasu. I loved the scene where they reunited, although it was Ren that first showed how much he missed her by hugging her, the walls of pride Nana had just broke down the moment he said he missed her. The way they chatted in the bathtub like old times seemed like they were never apart, maybe for both of them time did somehow stopped. But the reality of distance and time still catches up on them as Nana now is more dependent on Yasu than Ren. She runs to Yasu first whenever she had a problem, crying and complaining. But even then, love and dependency is still different after all. I was glad Nana decided to stay with Ren for that period of time, giving up her pride as a woman to stay by his side when he needs her. I just hope she’ll have more faith in him; she always seems to think that Ren would sleep with other women the moment she isn’t around. But I think Ren took drugs the moment he joined Trapnest was because he needed something to get over not just his emotional need of Nana but also his sexual needs to stay faithful. Just like Nana herself, I was glad she went to Ren’s place instead of Yasu when she broke the glasses and blacked out. Even though Yasu can comfort her, but it seems that only Ren’s words can get through to her to make her also mentally at ease. I felt so sad when I was reading the Chapter 36, seeing them both think through about their relationship. Why is it that even though they still love each other, they can’t be like before? Reality hurts.
I love the part he proposed. Nana thought they both were thinking of breaking up, but she wasn’t the one who wanted to initiate it after all. The moment she took a good look at him, she started worrying about him like she can’t control those thoughts. I don’t think Nana has any faith in marriage, but I guess she doesn’t mind doing these serious things if they allowed her to stay by Ren’s side. She’d rather go along with the act to cease rumors than be apart from him. I loved it when she asked “when’s the next time they meet”, she’s willing to put her pride aside to show she misses him.
The thing I dislike though is how Nana usually chooses to avoid talking to Ren about their problems. She’d rather make a joke a laugh the photos of Ren and Reira off than ask him directly. But thankfully the picture allowed her to talk about what she’s really pissed about; losing Ren as a singer. When they quarreled, it seemed really childish of her to think that just because everything she selfishly desires is out in the open Ren would break up with her. But from that quarrel, she now seems more willing to make an effort to make things work for them despite having separate careers and not being able to give Ren what he wants [family, children, etc.]. Learning to make egg rolls and getting a phone to initiate calling Ren while he’s overseas, even Ren was shocked. Her sudden honesty about having Hachi with her after the article on her mother seemed like Nana had made the effort to change herself. Just when everything seems to be going well, she had to make such a selfish request to put Ren in such a tight spot. But even though her stubborn self doesn’t allow her to take the first step to make up with Ren, it’s cute to see her miss Ren this much. Drinking every night, smoking their favorite Seven Stars cigarette, seeking company from other people and even dreaming about him every single night shows the extent of her love for him. Despite feeling abandoned by Ren, she still wants to rush over to his side.
I was distraught when Ren died from the car crash. The words “Ren once said to me that he would take me along with him when he dies. I don’t’ want to be abandoned.” just broke my heart. There’s so much left unsaid and undone between them I don’t think Nana is ever going to move on after his death. I just hope that she’ll hurry open up the present from Ren.
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Posted 1/31/09

Shuffleness wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


Shuffleness wrote:

That's so true i agree as well maybe in the beginning it was all about devotion to eachother but i think because they were away from eachother for so long that devotion changed to possessiveness because they felt that they were slowly losing eachother because the things that Nana wanted at the time weren't really the things Ren wanted, and also their pride played a HUGE issue, it was like they wouldn't give in to eachother.


That makes no sense at all.



How does it not make sense??



Yeah, I think that makes complete sense actually.

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i think.. NANA O will have no other lovers in the future.. i mean she and ren had such a deep relationship and Nana O is the kind of person that is somewhat clinging to whatever that she possesses so I dont think she can forget him that easily.. and if she does hav another lover, i doubt it'll be Yasu.. I mean, Yasu already hav this other girl ( i forgot what's her name) and I think Nana O thinks of him only as a friend or 'brother'?

sadly, this is what i think...
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