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Christianity a copy cat religion?
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If there was an all knowing god that decided to write a book then why would there be anything in this book against homosexuality ??
An all knowing being would know about genetics and hormones. Any young girl put on medicines that affect her hormone levels
can grow facial hair, and her clitoris can actually grow into a small penis, and she can get an adams apple. Through medicinal
breakthroughs, trial and error, this was discovered. Men take hormone pills now to grow breasts and soften their voice. An all knowing
god would not make a person to be born homosexual, then send them to a lake of fire for being what he made them, and then call
himself love. Unless your god is just an asshole. I have personal experience in this subject. My daughter was born with asthma and
put on steroids that the doctor said would have minimal side affects. Come to find out long term use at a young age turns your
daughter into your son. Hermaphrodites are another example of the non existence of a god. One of my sons is 9 and has been saying
that he is gay since he was 7. Most gay men say that they always knew that they were gay. So the god of christians is the biggest
hypocrite. Or there is no such thing. Conjoined twins, down syndrome, cerebral palsy, all acts of the christian god. Wow, great track
record for an all knowing being. Where is your all knowing, all seeing, omnipresent god when an innocent child is being molested,
or raped, or viciously beaten ?? His absence isn't very reassuring.
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I love u jesus, dude, have you read thru this whole conversation ?? Nothing but facts thru this whole thing disproving christianity. The ancient religions that moses would have been taught in egypt that obviously predate him prove that Judaism and christianity are copy-cat religions. If moses did exist, and was raised in the palace then he would have been taught that there were 12 gods, hence the 12 tribes of israel. Every story told of moses and jesus have been told prior in pagan religions. History itself disproves religions, especially any christian religion. Moses was not put in a river in a basket. That story predates him. I encourage you to do a lil research on ancient religions.
Not only that but morally do you personally believe that genocide is acceptable ?? Moses said that god told him that it was. And slavery. And owning female sex slaves. All in the bible. Even fucking your own daughters while drunk is in the bible. But we are told as christians, who are we to question gods methods ?? Science, history, and reason prove the bible to be inaccurate. Most of what moses wrote is retold stories of prior religions. Do your homework.


You clearly haven't done any of your own "research," because you spout complete nonsense in every post. In every post you make it clear that you know absolutely nothing about Biblical interpretation and evidently think that all Christians are fundamentalists. Do your homework.
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Lmfao !! You don't have to be a fundamentalist. You said that the bible isn't inaccurate. Truth is it's full of inaccuracy. It's also full of hypocrisy.
You can try and twist it any way you want through whichever interpretation you choose. The bible was written way after many ancient
religions and takes story's from them. And the history of ancient religion proves it all day long. Christianity is most certainly a copy-cat
religion. Most of genesis came from previous religions. Duh !!
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The english bible of today is nothing more then a misinterpreted version of the hebrew text. The hebrew text is a misinterpreted,
and twisted version of sumerian religion. Its all a load of crap from a time before science. An early attempt to explain the
reason for being. PRINCE EA, his half brother Enlil, Utnapishtim, the brotherhood of the snake, all predate the bible.
Mesopotamian texts tell most of the stories of the book of genesis. Mesopotamian texts came first and tell the stories
a little differently. So biblical interpretation has nothing to do with the fact that its all a load of crap.
You can tell a lie in many different ways, its still a lie. There is no god, singular or plural. There is no devil.
Man must take responsibility for his own actions and stop blaming shit on mystical beings of human imagination.
There is no heaven or hell, so make most of this life. Don't be a mindless follower. Don't be a tool. Lol
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http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Old%20Testament.html
Check out this info.
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ATHEIST-ANARCHIST wrote:

I didn't say that religion is ignorance. I said that a person can believe in any religion if that person is on a certain level of ignorance.


Mr Atheist Anarchist says that he did not say that Religion is ignorance, just that a person who profess faith in any religion is ignorant. If he would be so kind as to explicate the difference between these two positions for us laymen, uninitiated to his mystic use of language- if religion isn't a form of ignorance, then it would follow that one may reasonably follow a religion and be perfectly free of ignorance, yet, should one is only able to believe in any religion if he has a certain degree of ignorance, then it follows that, as religions are made up of the beliefs of its followers, so to must the religion itself be ignorant.



Facts disprove religion all the time.


No, no it doesn't. There is two problems with this assertions (unsupported as it is), the first being that Facts (which, I am guessing, is what you call the current state of human knowledge as obtained from our sciences) has not disprove any of many religion's major assertions- for example, our current science has yet to show if our souls really do go through a process of evaluation, wherein it is placed into the body of another creature depending on the merit and the goodness of the soul, if it goes into a paradise after a life of good deeds, or even if there is a soul at all. Additionally, the texts of the various religions are not to be taken literally, which many priests and clerics of the various religions of the world will tell you. If something is not true on a literal level, does not mean that it isn't true figuratively.


And though religion is helpful to people with insecurity, it is not necessary.


Mr Atheist Anarchist would do well to provide proof that Religion is 1)not necessary and 2) helpful for people's insecurity, with the implication that it is 3) simply something for a lower, more ignorant order of men to comfort themselves.


Fact is that religions are mostly the same.


The various religions of the worlds are profoundly different- Buddhist's Reincarnation and Karmic Laws are profoundly different from Nordic Vahalla and Hel, based upon a system of courage and battling, which, itself, is also very different from Christian Heaven and Hell based upon predestination and election.



And religion is used by those in power to keep the common people well behaved. Persons in political positions of power should not
promote any religion, but its done all the time. If a person with less intelligence can be convinced that a person with endless power is
able to see them and every other person on earth at the same time, and is capable of punishing each person for disobedience
then you have a sure way to keep most people in their place.


Religion is a dangerous tool for power in that religion has inspired people to rebel against powers which they deem 'unholy' a fanatic zeal. Religion always had an egalitarian streak, the very idea that we are all equal in God's eye has inspired many to take up arms against those they deem unjustly higher than themselves and who they believe are acting contrary to God's law, warranting punishment. This was true of the English Revolution, of both Taiping Rebellions, of the Catholic Liberation Theology in Central and South America, of Nat Turner's Rebellion, &c. Religion never had a pacifying effect, it has never been a very effective tool to enact social order. Had the state needed something to justify and legitimise themselves and to keep the Proles in their place, why not create a Culte d'État, where the state is an object of veneration, and obedience to it is of prime importance.


All religions are man made. All religions are full of absurdities.



This statement requires proofs, what is self-evident to him is not always so apparent for everyone else.


Everyone should just stay obedient, know your place, allow those with money and power to tell you what to believe. Never stand up
for yourself. Be a complete tool till the day you die. It helps the economy. It allows the rich to get richer. Do your part, to do nothing.


Again, this has been shown not true.



God is an imaginary being. And so is the devil. Heaven doesn't exist. Hell doesn't exist. And I wont receive a lightening bolt upon my
head for saying such things.


While it is certain that Mr Atheist-Anarchist would not receive a lightingbolt on his head for his blasphemy, he would, however, receive the scorn of all rational people for not qualifying his statement with any evidence to support his assertion.



We shouldn't need to be told by any religion that we should value life.


A sentiment which many will not deny.
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There is a difference between complete ignorance and the ignorance of certain facts. A person with intelligence can be ignorant of certain facts and believe a lie. Fact disproving religion is not secluded to science. History is the main source of information that disproves religion.
As far as religions usefulness, It is useful to people that are in need. Emotionally or socially. Humans need to feel loved and needed. Religion gives that. And yes, most major religions are the same. The teachings are very similar. Take away the mysticism and look into the basic teachings. All major religions teach obedience, conformity, love, compassion, and intolerance. And the well known fact that religion has been used by those in power to control the common people is beyond discussion. It has been recorded historically. History shows that the masses are easily controlled by ignorance. Thats why it was once illegal to own a bible that was translated into a common language. It was also illegal to speak out against the church. It was forbidden and strongly discouraged to try and read the bible for yourself. The bible, the koran, the torah can all be shown to be man made. Not god written or inspired. Hence, slavery and child murder and baby murder and rape and a female victim being forced to marry her rapist is all in the bible and torah. And genocide is in all 3. And child molestation is in the koran. As well as murder for different beliefs. All books command the death of any other opposing religion.
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All the information that I'm referring to can be found on google. Do you own a bible ?? Do you own the torah ?? Do you own the koran ?? Use the books with google. The brotherhood of the snake. Exposing the old testament. Biblical verses condoning slavery. A'isha, Mohammed's
nine-year old wife. The info is staggering. And yes, islam teach's hate and intolerance. It's in the book. If the books are inaccurate then so is the religion. The religion is based on the teachings that come from the book. The ancient religions that predate the recent religions is enough proof. History, science, and common sense prove that any religion can be believed at a certain level of ignorance. And before that last sentence gets misquoted again it needs to be looked at deeper with an open mind. Complete ignorance and the ignorance of one simple fact are two totally different types of ignorance. A person can have both knowledge and ignorance. Example,(knowledge of math and ignorance of english). If a parent that has a degree in science has no idea what their child does when the parent is at work then the parent is ignorant of what their child does unattended. Smart person with ignorance.
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Which came first ?? Moses or Egyptian religion ??__________ Which came first ?? Egyptian or Sumerian ?? ________________
Who supposedly wrote the first five books of the bible,(the torah) ?? ___________________ Where did this person get his knowledge ??
Why is child murder, baby murder, and rape carried out through the influence of god in the bible and torah ?? _________________
Why is it that god supposedly killed 42 children with the use of two bears for picking on an old man ?? ------------------------------------
Why didn't Jesus speak out against slavery ?? _____________________ Why didn't Moses speak out against slavery ?? ______________
Why does god condone slavery and rape in the first five books of the bible, (the torah) ?? Why did the church carry out the crusades with little resistance ?? ________________ Why are most of the stories of genesis told in older religions ?? Doubt brings forth interest which gathers knowledge. Knowledge is power.
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ATHEIST-ANARCHIST wrote:

There is a difference between complete ignorance and the ignorance of certain facts. A person with intelligence can be ignorant of certain facts and believe a lie.


However, this distinction does not actually answer the question posed, that is how one can reconcile the idea that while religion itself is not a form of ignorance, its followers, whose belief constitute a religion, can be at a certain level ignorant. Mr Atheist-Anarchist seems, then, to misunderstand me, so, to rephrase my question more clearly-- how can he say that religion is not ignorance, but that anyone who follows a religion is, to a degree, ignorant?


Fact disproving religion is not secluded to science. History is the main source of information that disproves religion.


Mr Atheist-Anarchist would do well to qualify this statement as well, for the study of history does not show any religion to be any more false or any more true, nor does it show that there is no God. For example, Jeanne d'Arc, who claim to have heard voices while still a peasant in Domremy, telling her to take up arms and save France from the enemy, the English. Now, did she really hear voices, or was she mad- she was incredibly competent as a general, and she did predict and fulfil certain prophecies of her own, such as her capturing of Orleans, and her being captured. This is, of course, not proof that she did hear the voices of angels and saints, but, on the contrary, it also doesn't prove if she didn't hear the voices of angels and saints.


As far as religions usefulness, It is useful to people that are in need. Emotionally or socially. Humans need to feel loved and needed. Religion gives that.


Mr Atheist Anarchist must now prove two statements- one, that religion is merely a tool for the comfort of people, and two, that people need to feel loved and needed.


And yes, most major religions are the same. The teachings are very similar. Take away the mysticism and look into the basic teachings. All major religions teach obedience, conformity, love, compassion, and intolerance.


Mr Atheist Anarchist has not studied to deeply into religion before making this statement. For example, Daoism and Buddhism both have an history of inverting most of what he claims for religion, obedience, conformity, and intolerance. In addition, the other two characteristic he claims for all religion is basically a simple, indisputable moral code that, if certain scientists are to be believed, are hard-wired into our very nature, that is, the precept of love all and act compassionately. His claim of unity in principle among all religion is, therefore, completely unfounded and unjust.



And the well known fact that religion has been used by those in power to control the common people is beyond discussion


Nothing, however, is beyond discussion. The premise of all philosophy is to question all existing ideas- a precept that most atheist and sceptics would gladly accept. Now, that religion is a tool of those in power to control the common people is something that can not only be questioned, however widely accepted that it is (which it is not), it can also be shown to be demonstrably false. Mr Atheist-Anarchist would do well to look at the previous examples drawn from the very history he claims proves his claim.



It has been recorded historically. History shows that the masses are easily controlled by ignorance.


The hoi polloi, however easily moved into violent passion by whatever means, does not prove the previous assertion, nor does it prove that it is necessarily bad. For example, this mass of yours has been moved by agitators into overthrowing more oppressive form of government to less oppressive form. The American and French revolution, for example, or the Paris Commune.


Thats why it was once illegal to own a bible that was translated into a common language. It was also illegal to speak out against the church. It was forbidden and strongly discouraged to try and read the bible for yourself.


It was once illegal to own a bible, or speak against the ruling church, and discouraged for the common man to read the bible himself because it broke the monopoly of the Church's power in spiritual matter, for the Church is the main interpreter of the bible and, theologically speaking, it is the only one able to interpret it correctly, as it has been by the Apostles whom they claim lineage. This spiritual politics, however, does not necessarily mean that their teaching on the subject is wrong, just as having a strict, violent, and abusive geometry master make his teaching any more false.


The bible, the koran, the torah can all be shown to be man made.


No one claimed otherwise, they do, however, claim that it was inspired by God, something that Higher Criticism has not proved or disproved.


Not god written or inspired.


Again, a statement is not a proof.


Hence, slavery and child murder and baby murder and rape and a female victim being forced to marry her rapist is all in the bible and torah. And genocide is in all 3. And child molestation is in the koran. As well as murder for different beliefs. All books command the death of any other opposing religion.


Not a Christian, Jew, of Mahometan myself, I cannot answer those charges, but that Mr Atheist Anarchist should research into said passages to see how they are interpreted, rather than drawing them out and then putting them forth as disgusting. There is a gap between what the words say and what the word means- the word says this, but what it means is interpreted by the practitioners. Thus, one must also consult meaning to try and understand how it is practised or what it means afore criticising it blindly.
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All the information that I'm referring to can be found on google. Do you own a bible ?? Do you own the torah ?? Do you own the koran ?? Use the books with google. The brotherhood of the snake. Exposing the old testament. Biblical verses condoning slavery. A'isha, Mohammed's
nine-year old wife. The info is staggering. And yes, islam teach's hate and intolerance. It's in the book. If the books are inaccurate then so is the religion. The religion is based on the teachings that come from the book. The ancient religions that predate the recent religions is enough proof. History, science, and common sense prove that any religion can be believed at a certain level of ignorance. And before that last sentence gets misquoted again it needs to be looked at deeper with an open mind. Complete ignorance and the ignorance of one simple fact are two totally different types of ignorance. A person can have both knowledge and ignorance. Example,(knowledge of math and ignorance of english). If a parent that has a degree in science has no idea what their child does when the parent is at work then the parent is ignorant of what their child does unattended. Smart person with ignorance.


Yes, I do own an Bible, though, I confess, I have not read too deeply into it, not being a member of any religion requiring its use. But, to the best of my abilities, I will try to answer your objections.

First off, slavery is not condoned, it is simply permissible. There is no statement about whether it is good or bad, but that one can own a slave, under the condition that one treats the slave according to so and so guidelines. In fact, the slavery of the bible is more akin to bondsman-ship than to slavery.

Second, Mahomet's ten year old wife, A'isha, is not proof against Islam. It is simply because western values have changed radically- for example, it is permissible, not too long ago in America, to conduct a similar wedding with a ten year old, and, within Mahomet's time, it is acceptable practice. The definition of adult changes with age, therefore, we should not apply what we consider an adult to an age which has a different interpretation of age of maturity and what not. In the future, men may find certain aspect of our culture highly distasteful, yet, that would not make our culture, as a whole, any more inferior to theirs as the culture of Mahomet's to ours, simply different.

Third, that certain religion exist before other religion shows nothing but that there are other religion that exist before these current ones. For example, Platonism existed before Stoicism is not proof that Stoic philosophy is less valid or that platonism is less valid. Age and existence of precedents have no bearing on the validity.

Lastly, doesn't answer the question and completely irrelevent.
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HERP DERP IM A MUSLIM AND I SAY THAT PPL ARE STUPID.

AMEN

Christianity is the same thing as Judism. Its all the same belief really. Just through the passage of time and the authority of stupid ppl has religion become diverted.
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Lmfao !! You don't have to be a fundamentalist. You said that the bible isn't inaccurate. Truth is it's full of inaccuracy. It's also full of hypocrisy.
You can try and twist it any way you want through whichever interpretation you choose. The bible was written way after many ancient
religions and takes story's from them. And the history of ancient religion proves it all day long. Christianity is most certainly a copy-cat
religion. Most of genesis came from previous religions. Duh !!


True ;O

I mean you can't say theres a total denial of god though, I believe we came from somewhere, but is he fair?

I don't think so. in my honest opinion I'm just pissed at god sometimes like, is life a game?
Either ways I have to do my homework , but yes you're right about the bible. Through time alot of things have gotten twisted.
Im not sure where trinity even came from
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I chose to not believe in god or gods. My main argument is against religion. And as far as interpretation goes, a lot of the bible needs no interpretation. Its written plainly. If you believe that the book of genesis is given by god or god inspired then you can't believe in evolution. The creation story and the story of noah are plainly written with detail. And as far as culture, yes america was just recently allowing children to be married to grown men. But the negative affects that sex have on a young girl is proof that knowledge is power. A little girl isn't physically ready or mentally ready to have sex or give birth. Therefore it's wrong. Grown men having sex with children is harmful to the children no matter what culture. But things like this go on where there is no knowledge of the harm. And religion is not ignorance. Ignorance is not knowing. If one person tells a lie that hides a fact the lie itself is not ignorance. The fact that's being hidden is not ignorance. The person being lied to is not stupid but simply ignorant of the fact that is hidden by the lie. And yes, history does not prove that there is no god. Nor does history prove to make one religion better than the other. But history does prove that the stories in the bible were taken from previous religions. Ignorance is also harmful. Like keeping a sick person from needed medical attention to perform rituals on them. Like blaming serial murder on a monster such as a vampire or werewolf. A child with a mental disorder or a physical deformity is not being cursed by a god because of some unknown sin of the parents. I cannot prove whether we have a spirit or not. I cannot prove whether there is a god or not. But there is far too much evidence stacked against religion. And just to let you know, my knowledge of eastern religions is very limited.
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The trinity is a made up thing. Its being used to try and explain the fact that in the hebrew text god is plural is some parts. Jesus said, "I and the father are one", and he said to baptize, "in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost". A bunch of interpretation is required to make things fit when you are dealing with christianity. Things have to be explained away. Holes in stories have to plugged. So on and so forth. Lol !! I have a problem with this as well. If the bible is the word of god then it should be complete and need no interpretation. If gods word needs to be interpreted then they cease to be divine.
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