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Christianity a copy cat religion?
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JJT2 wrote:
"That is if you're assuming Jesus existed in the first place."
Who started Chrstianity then? please enlighten me


JJT2 wrote:
It doesnt matter if the Bible's stories are all lies. So what if Jesus never existed?


Okay... so you don't even know which stance you are nor do you know your own religion. So basically I just wasted time arguing against you and your horrible grammar/spelling mixed with annoying smiley faces. You are a spectacular representative of religious people (/sarcasm).


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"The problem that exists in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them."-Albert Einstein
pay close attention to Einstein's quote

Please don't ever quote Einstein or any scholar from now on without understanding what the hell the quote means. Einstein is crying in his grave right now.

If you understand anything about the quote, it implies that you can't solve problem A with A, which is exactly what religion does over and over again. In fact, this favors more towards my argument because the whole "solve A with A" is exactly what's so inane about religion.


I'd be doing better arguing against a dog or a rock.
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makix wrote:


JJT2 wrote:
"That is if you're assuming Jesus existed in the first place."
Who started Chrstianity then? please enlighten me


JJT2 wrote:
It doesnt matter if the Bible's stories are all lies. So what if Jesus never existed?


Okay... so you don't even know which stance you are nor do you know your own religion. So basically I just wasted time arguing against you you.


JJT2 wrote:
"The problem that exists in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them."-Albert Einstein
pay close attention to Einstein's quote

Please don't ever quote Einstein or any scholar from now on without understanding what the hell the quote means. Einstein is crying in his grave right now.

If you understand anything about the quote, it implies that you can't solve problem A with A, which is exactly what religion does over and over again. In fact, this favors more towards my argument because the whole "solve A with A" is exactly what's so inane about religion.


I'd be doing better arguing against a dog; at least he knows what he wants.


im well aware of my stance on the Bible, im just trying to get you to see your views on religion is racist based and unscientific by using reverse phychology techniques.

no, you misunderstand the quote. Look deeper and understand your views are the same as extremists religous views, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.You are trying to make science into some kind of religious absolute truth that if people dont follow every ounce of it, they are degraded below the level of a human.You are currupting the field of study and understanding of the physical world with your racists-like views rooted in more hatred rather than science. Your points became more and more illogical and childish as we argued.Religous extremists (today and in the past) did the same thing. You are fundamentaly no different then the very religious extremists of Early Eruopeans, yet you try to fix or get rid of religion using the exact same basic philosophy.If religion is such a problem how to do u plan to fix it using such extreme hatred and views? Check out the "Science vs Religion is a myth" thread. U really cant believe all religious people are a bunch of backwater, uneducated hillbillies. peace over war

edit-if u didnt catch my sarcasm- ill put it this way- i do believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible.Yet you still have yet to tell me who created the Christian religion if Jesus never existed.
and you probably think all religious people have the mental capacity of a dog or a rock peace over war

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JJT2 wrote:
im well aware of my stance on the Bible

No you don't. Refer to my previous post.


JJT2 wrote: im just trying to get you to see your views on religion is racist based and unscientific by using reverse phychology techniques.

That's not how you use reverse "phychology".


JJT2 wrote:Look deeper and understand your views are the same as extremists religous views, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

How dare you compare me to religious extremists. Religious extremists are called "extremists" because they claim their actions upon a God that can't be proven.

I claim my actions based off of numbers, science, and history. This is called reasoning, not "extremist behavior". Get your shit straight.



JJT2 wrote:You are trying to make science into some kind of religious absolute truth that if people dont follow every ounce of it, they are degraded below the level of a human.

Yeah, you're right. Science isn't absolute religious truth, but it is the absolute truth. Go drop an apple from top of the balcony. What happens? It falls straight down and breaks right? This is called science. Cannot be disputed because everything runs in a strict law. The only way this law can be "broken" is if there's another law overriding it such as a giant air machine that blows the apple up.


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You are currupting the field of study and understanding of the physical world with your racists-like views rooted in more hatred rather than science.

I'm not corrupting anything. This isn't "racist-like" views because racist like views imply the lack of logic. My views have historical proof and scientific proof. Again, don't spew out analogies when you don't understand the concepts.


JJT2 wrote:Your points became more and more illogical and childish as we argued.Religous extremists (today and in the past) did the same thing.

Comparing me to religious extremists again - Look at my first sentence.


JJT2 wrote:If religion is such a problem how to do u plan to fix it using such extreme hatred and views?

Extreme hatred or views? My reasoning is not extreme, it's logical. Religion has the potential to give some people false hope, but it also carries the greater potential of being abused. More people have died and have been oppressed in the name of religion than have saved people.


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U really cant believe all religious people are a bunch of backwater, uneducated hillbillies

Yes, I can. And judging from your inability to notice squiggly red lines underneath text to imply spelling errors and continuous grammatical mistakes, I can sure put this belief on you.


You're losing this fight, quit while you still have your dignity.
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JJT2 wrote:
im well aware of my stance on the Bible

No you don't. Refer to my previous post.


JJT2 wrote: im just trying to get you to see your views on religion is racist based and unscientific by using reverse phychology techniques.

That's not how you use reverse "phychology".


JJT2 wrote:Look deeper and understand your views are the same as extremists religous views, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

How dare you compare me to religious extremists. Religious extremists are called "extremists" because they claim their actions upon a God that can't be proven.

I claim my actions based off of numbers, science, and history. This is called reasoning, not "extremist behavior". Get your shit straight.



JJT2 wrote:You are trying to make science into some kind of religious absolute truth that if people dont follow every ounce of it, they are degraded below the level of a human.

Yeah, you're right. Science isn't absolute religious truth, but it is the absolute truth. Go drop an apple from top of the balcony. What happens? It falls straight down and breaks right? This is called science. Cannot be disputed because everything runs in a strict law. The only way this law can be "broken" is if there's another law overriding it such as a giant air machine that blows the apple up.


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You are currupting the field of study and understanding of the physical world with your racists-like views rooted in more hatred rather than science.

I'm not corrupting anything. This isn't "racist-like" views because racist like views imply the lack of logic. My views have historical proof and scientific proof. Again, don't spew out analogies when you don't understand the concepts.


JJT2 wrote:Your points became more and more illogical and childish as we argued.Religous extremists (today and in the past) did the same thing.

Comparing me to religious extremists again - Look at my first sentence.


JJT2 wrote:If religion is such a problem how to do u plan to fix it using such extreme hatred and views?

Extreme hatred or views? My reasoning is not extreme, it's logical. Religion has the potential to give some people false hope, but it also carries the greater potential of being abused. More people have died and have been oppressed in the name of religion than have saved people.


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U really cant believe all religious people are a bunch of backwater, uneducated hillbillies

Yes, I can. And judging from your inability to notice squiggly red lines underneath text to imply spelling errors and continuous grammatical mistakes, I can sure put this belief on you.


You're losing this fight, quit while you still have your dignity.

"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

"That's not how you use reverse "phychology"."
well my bad

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/The_lefts_own_religious_whackjobs_0422.html
here is a site about extremists athiets- remember- "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

"How dare you compare me to religious extremists. Religious extremists are called "extremists" because they claim their actions upon a God that can't be proven."

check the hyperlink to my website.

"I claim my actions based off of numbers, science, and history. This is called reasoning, not "extremist behavior". Get your shit straight."
i have yet to see these "numbers" and the connection they have to religion. Science doesnt prove/disprove God, it has a nuetral position.History doesnt depict how all Chrstians are today. You cant reasonably say that all Chrstians believe the exact same thing and are all illogical.Discrimination and prejudice cant be justified with science i dont care who the group of people are . You sound like hitler

"Yeah, you're right. Science isn't absolute religious truth, but it is the absolute truth. Go drop an apple from top of the balcony. What happens? It falls straight down and breaks right? This is called science. Cannot be disputed because everything runs in a strict law. The only way this law can be "broken" is if there's another law overriding it such as a giant air machine that blows the apple up."
When the apply falls, its called gravity...a force that pulls things toward the center of the earth...and you call yourself a scienctist... Nobody denys the natural laws. I certainly dont. I live by them every day. What does gravity have to do with morality,religon,God? nothing. You keep ignoring that on purpose.Same reason you have yet to provide your so called "statistics", cause you are obviously smart enough to tell how stupid you sound

"I'm not corrupting anything. This isn't "racist-like" views because racist like views imply the lack of logic. My views have historical proof and scientific proof. Again, don't spew out analogies when you don't understand the concepts."

Racism-"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race. " -(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism)

You consider yourself superior to people with religous belief. You discriminate AND are prejudice toward them.Wheres you evidence that all Christians are illogical and stupid and deserve to die? An arguement is only as good as the evidence you have to back it up.So far, im the only one putting real evidence on the table.

"Extreme hatred or views? My reasoning is not extreme, it's logical. Religion has the potential to give some people false hope, but it also carries the greater potential of being abused. More people have died and have been oppressed in the name of religion than have saved people."

There's a relativly moderate view, but thats your first one in all of the post thus far. To actually use the words "some", "potential", and "saved" is quite an achievement. Even though you have yet to provide the statistics for your claim, it's still an improvement.

"Yes, I can. And judging from your inability to notice squiggly red lines underneath text to imply spelling errors and continuous grammatical mistakes, I can sure put this belief on you."

prove we are all stupid idiots then i want a scientific survey of all the Christians in the world. With irrifutable evidence that we are all idiots.I would also like to add that this site doesnt use spelling check...so i see no lines and shit..not to mension im not trying to be gramaticly correct on the internet. I write college level papers everyday, dont really feel like typing the slower/more proper way.Also, did you really need my gramatical errors to justify how you think im stupid,illogical, and deserve to die?I thought since i beleived in God, you placed me in that catergory long before now. peace over war

"You're losing this fight, quit while you still have your dignity."
Im not trying to win a thing, i just want ti get yiu ti understand not all Chrstians think the same thing.We are not all illogical either; and by your earlier post, you used the words "some""potiential""and "saved" rather then "all""does""and "kill"...you get the point not to mension you actually said i had "dignity" to lose i thought my beleif in God destroyed my dignity in your view
so in a way i have shufted your view a little bit, not much, but a little bit peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

/facepalm
Go REREAD what I said where I proved your contradiction.


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

I hate that people who claim that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". You can't go around stating that some things exist simply because it cannot be disproved. Why? Because the crazier the idea, the harder it is to prove. If I say that I see spirits at 2 AM everyday and there's no one else who can see these ghosts other than me, I'm correct because you can't disprove me. That's utter bullshit and rhetoric. Not to mention, science has already disproved what the Bible says. You disprove the "God created the world in 7 days", the "Adam and Eve story", the "Noah's Ark" story - you pretty much shatter the whole Bible itself. If you consider yourself religious while denying that these stories are false, you're not even following a religion anymore - You're making shit up as you go. That's worse than believing in a fairy tale.


JJT2 wrote:
When the apply falls, its called gravity...a force that pulls things toward the center of the earth...and you call yourself a scienctist... Nobody denys the natural laws. I certainly dont. I live by them every day. What does gravity have to do with morality,religon,God? nothing. You keep ignoring that on purpose.Same reason you have yet to provide your so called "statistics", cause you are obviously smart enough to tell how stupid you sound

WOOOSH! You completely missed my point and it went over your head.

I used gravity because it's the easiest concept. The second easiest concept is carbon dating by measuring the half-life of the world. This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go.



JJT2 wrote:
Wheres you evidence that all Christians are illogical and stupid and deserve to die?

The fact that you believe that there was a 600 year old man by the name of Noah who put two of EVERY SPECIES into a wooden boat, the fact that you believe mankind was created by TWO people, the fact that you believe that all living things were made in one day. (And a DAY IS MEASURED BY WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SUN SETS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT BECAUSE OF A THING CALLED GRAVITATIONAL PULL BETWEEN TWO LARGE OBJECTS - THE SUN AND THE EARTH. THIS IS CALLED PHYSICS.)

Here's how I am disproving your religion:
I disprove all the "history" written in the Bible. One that's disproved, the other stuff in the Bible literally has no credibility. Then again, you amoebas mold yourself by stating shit up like "a day is a different measurement to God" when science has already disproved that a day cannot be shifted to a different definition because A DAY IS WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SETS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT.


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Im not trying to win a thing, i just want ti get yiu ti understand not all Chrstians think the same thing.We are not all illogical either; and by your earlier post, you used the words "some""potiential""and "saved" rather then "all""does""and "kill"...you get the point not to mension you actually said i had "dignity" to lose i thought my beleif in God destroyed my dignity in your view
so in a way i have shufted your view a little bit, not much

The only thing you shifted was by increasing my hatred to people who follow religion and people who can't write properly.


Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE.

Unless you can give me what I want, the proof of the Christian God, don't bother posting. I think I'm getting an ulcer.
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makix wrote:


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

/facepalm
Go REREAD what I said where I proved your contradiction.


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

I hate that people who claim that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". You can't go around stating that some things exist simply because it cannot be disproved. Why? Because the crazier the idea, the harder it is to prove. If I say that I see spirits at 2 AM everyday and there's no one else who can see these ghosts other than me, I'm correct because you can't disprove me. That's utter bullshit and rhetoric. Not to mention, science has already disproved what the Bible says. You disprove the "God created the world in 7 days", the "Adam and Eve story", the "Noah's Ark" story - you pretty much shatter the whole Bible itself. If you consider yourself religious while denying that these stories are false, you're not even following a religion anymore - You're making shit up as you go. That's worse than believing in a fairy tale.


JJT2 wrote:
When the apply falls, its called gravity...a force that pulls things toward the center of the earth...and you call yourself a scienctist... Nobody denys the natural laws. I certainly dont. I live by them every day. What does gravity have to do with morality,religon,God? nothing. You keep ignoring that on purpose.Same reason you have yet to provide your so called "statistics", cause you are obviously smart enough to tell how stupid you sound

WOOOSH! You completely missed my point and it went over your head.

I used gravity because it's the easiest concept. The second easiest concept is carbon dating by measuring the half-life of the world. This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go.



JJT2 wrote:
Wheres you evidence that all Christians are illogical and stupid and deserve to die?

The fact that you believe that there was a 600 year old man by the name of Noah who put two of EVERY SPECIES into a wooden boat, the fact that you believe mankind was created by TWO people, the fact that you believe that all living things were made in one day. (And a DAY IS MEASURED BY WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SUN SETS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT BECAUSE OF A THING CALLED GRAVITATIONAL PULL BETWEEN TWO LARGE OBJECTS - THE SUN AND THE EARTH. THIS IS CALLED PHYSICS.)

Here's how I am disproving your religion:
I disprove all the "history" written in the Bible. One that's disproved, the other stuff in the Bible literally has no credibility. Then again, you amoebas mold yourself by stating shit up like "a day is a different measurement to God" when science has already disproved that a day cannot be shifted to a different definition because A DAY IS WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SETS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT.


JJT2 wrote:
Im not trying to win a thing, i just want ti get yiu ti understand not all Chrstians think the same thing.We are not all illogical either; and by your earlier post, you used the words "some""potiential""and "saved" rather then "all""does""and "kill"...you get the point not to mension you actually said i had "dignity" to lose i thought my beleif in God destroyed my dignity in your view
so in a way i have shufted your view a little bit, not much

The only thing you shifted was by increasing my hatred to people who follow religion and people who can't write properly.


Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE.

Unless you can give me what I want, the proof of the Christian God, don't bother posting. I think I'm getting an ulcer.

"This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go."
The Bible can be interpretated in many ways. Keep in mine the Bible has been translated so many times, ect. It may have taken more than a day, or perhaps God hadnt made the sun yet, we dont really know for sure. God can measure a day in a very different way than u can...perhaps the sun was created after the earth?How do you know the word day wasnt mistranslated?
same this with Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark. Ultimatly, it could have happened a different way from the translation of English. But humans had to start from 2 people right?i dont see ne illogical points in that...Maybe Noah carried relativly few species, or all the species of that area, we werent there, and it cant be taken to literal because of all the translations it went through...its not making shit up, its exploring other possiblities. Quatom physics does the same thing.

"Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE."
You already know God cant be proven/disproven.There is proof for Jesus. http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/historical-and-scientific-proof-of-jesus-faq.htm
proof of Jesus enough? As for the stories of the Bible, they can be interpreted in many ways. English was not the origional language the bible was translated in. Look at the original Bible for acutual proper translation if u can.peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:


makix wrote:


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

/facepalm
Go REREAD what I said where I proved your contradiction.


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

I hate that people who claim that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". You can't go around stating that some things exist simply because it cannot be disproved. Why? Because the crazier the idea, the harder it is to prove. If I say that I see spirits at 2 AM everyday and there's no one else who can see these ghosts other than me, I'm correct because you can't disprove me. That's utter bullshit and rhetoric. Not to mention, science has already disproved what the Bible says. You disprove the "God created the world in 7 days", the "Adam and Eve story", the "Noah's Ark" story - you pretty much shatter the whole Bible itself. If you consider yourself religious while denying that these stories are false, you're not even following a religion anymore - You're making shit up as you go. That's worse than believing in a fairy tale.


JJT2 wrote:
When the apply falls, its called gravity...a force that pulls things toward the center of the earth...and you call yourself a scienctist... Nobody denys the natural laws. I certainly dont. I live by them every day. What does gravity have to do with morality,religon,God? nothing. You keep ignoring that on purpose.Same reason you have yet to provide your so called "statistics", cause you are obviously smart enough to tell how stupid you sound

WOOOSH! You completely missed my point and it went over your head.

I used gravity because it's the easiest concept. The second easiest concept is carbon dating by measuring the half-life of the world. This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go.



JJT2 wrote:
Wheres you evidence that all Christians are illogical and stupid and deserve to die?

The fact that you believe that there was a 600 year old man by the name of Noah who put two of EVERY SPECIES into a wooden boat, the fact that you believe mankind was created by TWO people, the fact that you believe that all living things were made in one day. (And a DAY IS MEASURED BY WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SUN SETS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT BECAUSE OF A THING CALLED GRAVITATIONAL PULL BETWEEN TWO LARGE OBJECTS - THE SUN AND THE EARTH. THIS IS CALLED PHYSICS.)

Here's how I am disproving your religion:
I disprove all the "history" written in the Bible. One that's disproved, the other stuff in the Bible literally has no credibility. Then again, you amoebas mold yourself by stating shit up like "a day is a different measurement to God" when science has already disproved that a day cannot be shifted to a different definition because A DAY IS WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SETS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT.


JJT2 wrote:
Im not trying to win a thing, i just want ti get yiu ti understand not all Chrstians think the same thing.We are not all illogical either; and by your earlier post, you used the words "some""potiential""and "saved" rather then "all""does""and "kill"...you get the point not to mension you actually said i had "dignity" to lose i thought my beleif in God destroyed my dignity in your view
so in a way i have shufted your view a little bit, not much

The only thing you shifted was by increasing my hatred to people who follow religion and people who can't write properly.


Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE.

Unless you can give me what I want, the proof of the Christian God, don't bother posting. I think I'm getting an ulcer.

"This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go."
The Bible can be interpretated in many ways. Keep in mine the Bible has been translated so many times, ect. It may have taken more than a day, or perhaps God hadnt made the sun yet, we dont really know for sure. God can measure a day in a very different way than u can...perhaps the sun was created after the earth?How do you know the word day wasnt mistranslated?
same this with Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark. Ultimatly, it could have happened a different way from the translation of English. But humans had to start from 2 people right?i dont see ne illogical points in that...Maybe Noah carried relativly few species, or all the species of that area, we werent there, and it cant be taken to literal because of all the translations it went through...its not making shit up, its exploring other possiblities. Quatom physics does the same thing.

"Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE."
You already know God cant be proven/disproven.There is proof for Jesus. http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/historical-and-scientific-proof-of-jesus-faq.htm
proof of Jesus enough? As for the stories of the Bible, they can be interpreted in many ways. English was not the origional language the bible was translated in. Look at the original Bible for acutual proper translation if u can.peace over war


Did you even read what that so could evidence of yours said?
There was no evidence there.
On top of that you used a religious site witch use no backing to any of there claims.
'(try again..) I act as if I did not see you post the bad source and give you a chance to find some real evidence. (not that there is any, trust me I looked.)
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JJT2 wrote:


makix wrote:


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

/facepalm
Go REREAD what I said where I proved your contradiction.


JJT2 wrote:
"No you don't. Refer to my previous post."
i believe in Jesus and the stories of the Bible if that wasnt obvious already....

I hate that people who claim that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". You can't go around stating that some things exist simply because it cannot be disproved. Why? Because the crazier the idea, the harder it is to prove. If I say that I see spirits at 2 AM everyday and there's no one else who can see these ghosts other than me, I'm correct because you can't disprove me. That's utter bullshit and rhetoric. Not to mention, science has already disproved what the Bible says. You disprove the "God created the world in 7 days", the "Adam and Eve story", the "Noah's Ark" story - you pretty much shatter the whole Bible itself. If you consider yourself religious while denying that these stories are false, you're not even following a religion anymore - You're making shit up as you go. That's worse than believing in a fairy tale.


JJT2 wrote:
When the apply falls, its called gravity...a force that pulls things toward the center of the earth...and you call yourself a scienctist... Nobody denys the natural laws. I certainly dont. I live by them every day. What does gravity have to do with morality,religon,God? nothing. You keep ignoring that on purpose.Same reason you have yet to provide your so called "statistics", cause you are obviously smart enough to tell how stupid you sound

WOOOSH! You completely missed my point and it went over your head.

I used gravity because it's the easiest concept. The second easiest concept is carbon dating by measuring the half-life of the world. This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go.



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Wheres you evidence that all Christians are illogical and stupid and deserve to die?

The fact that you believe that there was a 600 year old man by the name of Noah who put two of EVERY SPECIES into a wooden boat, the fact that you believe mankind was created by TWO people, the fact that you believe that all living things were made in one day. (And a DAY IS MEASURED BY WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SUN SETS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT BECAUSE OF A THING CALLED GRAVITATIONAL PULL BETWEEN TWO LARGE OBJECTS - THE SUN AND THE EARTH. THIS IS CALLED PHYSICS.)

Here's how I am disproving your religion:
I disprove all the "history" written in the Bible. One that's disproved, the other stuff in the Bible literally has no credibility. Then again, you amoebas mold yourself by stating shit up like "a day is a different measurement to God" when science has already disproved that a day cannot be shifted to a different definition because A DAY IS WHEN THE SUN RISES AND SETS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT.


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Im not trying to win a thing, i just want ti get yiu ti understand not all Chrstians think the same thing.We are not all illogical either; and by your earlier post, you used the words "some""potiential""and "saved" rather then "all""does""and "kill"...you get the point not to mension you actually said i had "dignity" to lose i thought my beleif in God destroyed my dignity in your view
so in a way i have shufted your view a little bit, not much

The only thing you shifted was by increasing my hatred to people who follow religion and people who can't write properly.


Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE.

Unless you can give me what I want, the proof of the Christian God, don't bother posting. I think I'm getting an ulcer.

"This alone proves that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the world's existent history and life as we know it.

Fossils have been measured through carbon dating and it disproved the fact that all life was made in one day by God. And stating that "the measurement of a 'day' is different" to God is also the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Again, that's making shit up as you go."
The Bible can be interpretated in many ways. Keep in mine the Bible has been translated so many times, ect. It may have taken more than a day, or perhaps God hadnt made the sun yet, we dont really know for sure. God can measure a day in a very different way than u can...perhaps the sun was created after the earth?How do you know the word day wasnt mistranslated?
same this with Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark. Ultimatly, it could have happened a different way from the translation of English. But humans had to start from 2 people right?i dont see ne illogical points in that...Maybe Noah carried relativly few species, or all the species of that area, we werent there, and it cant be taken to literal because of all the translations it went through...its not making shit up, its exploring other possiblities. Quatom physics does the same thing.

"Listen to me. Find me ONE evidence that isn't a hoax or utter BS on the proof that Jesus or God exists OTHER THAN THE BIBLE."
You already know God cant be proven/disproven.There is proof for Jesus. http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/historical-and-scientific-proof-of-jesus-faq.htm
proof of Jesus enough? As for the stories of the Bible, they can be interpreted in many ways. English was not the origional language the bible was translated in. Look at the original Bible for acutual proper translation if u can.peace over war


Did you even read what that so could evidence of yours said?
There was no evidence there.
On top of that you used a religious site witch use no backing to any of there claims.
'(try again..) I act as if I did not see you post the bad source and give you a chance to find some real evidence. (not that there is any, trust me I looked.)

well, ultimatly im trying to prove that guy is an athiests extremists because he has racist-like ideas of Christians.
You know there is no proof of God. That is outside the relm of science. there will never be a time of being able to prove/disprove God. as for Jesus, until you can find evidence of him not existing, then he really cant be proven not to have existed either. And that guy is an athiets extremist. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/The_lefts_own_religious_whackjobs_0422.html
read this. That guy used at leasts each of those claims twice.peace over war
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Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)


im not trying to convert any athiests. I respect all beliefs. What im trying to destroy are racists-like views of Christians.It has nothnig to do with the religion, but the people who follow it.All im trying to say is not all Christians are bad people.This is mainly dierected at that athiest extremists who i was argueing with.I hate extremists views, both religous and non religious.

As for your quesion, it's hard to define a god, what makes a god a god? If these gods came down and showed awsome power, they wouldn't disprove my God, because it can be said my God sent them down to earth for a reason.We wouldnt know that reason, but it wouldnt matter. Ultimatly though, if they started destroying things and crap i would personaly caraterise them as powerful demons.and, since i am a soldier of God, it would be my responsibility to take them out.Im also sure whats left of the military would agree.So would everyone else...And if they came to earth to heal people and be good and all that stuff, i can caraterise them as angels, sent by God.Maybe the angels were ordered not to tell the humans about thier God.I would see why. But you see, because there is no evidence of my God, it can only serve to prove how much more mysterious he is. My God doesnt have a physical body and is not of the physical world. He has never showed himself to be either peace over war
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)


im not trying to convert any athiests. I respect all beliefs. What im trying to destroy are racists-like views of Christians.It has nothnig to do with the religion, but the people who follow it.All im trying to say is not all Christians are bad people.This is mainly dierected at that athiest extremists who i was argueing with.I hate extremists views, both religous and non religious.

As for your quesion, it's hard to define a god, what makes a god a god? If these gods came down and showed awsome power, they wouldn't disprove my God, because it can be said my God sent them down to earth for a reason.We wouldnt know that reason, but it wouldnt matter. Ultimatly though, if they started destroying things and crap i would personaly caraterise them as powerful demons.and, since i am a soldier of God, it would be my responsibility to take them out.Im also sure whats left of the military would agree.So would everyone else...And if they came to earth to heal people and be good and all that stuff, i can caraterise them as angels, sent by God.Maybe the angels were ordered not to tell the humans about thier God.I would see why. But you see, because there is no evidence of my God, it can only serve to prove how much more mysterious he is. My God doesnt have a physical body and is not of the physical world. He has never showed himself to be either peace over war
So if they came and heal the people you think of them is only angles yet they point out over and over the god of your faith is not real. Evin if God that used to be real fames, came to you and pointed this out and was willing to prove there power to you, you rather believe in a god that did not do anything for you, nore give you any evidence at all for his self? Are you saying no matter what you always believe in something, even if it was proven to be fake?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)


im not trying to convert any athiests. I respect all beliefs. What im trying to destroy are racists-like views of Christians.It has nothnig to do with the religion, but the people who follow it.All im trying to say is not all Christians are bad people.This is mainly dierected at that athiest extremists who i was argueing with.I hate extremists views, both religous and non religious.

As for your quesion, it's hard to define a god, what makes a god a god? If these gods came down and showed awsome power, they wouldn't disprove my God, because it can be said my God sent them down to earth for a reason.We wouldnt know that reason, but it wouldnt matter. Ultimatly though, if they started destroying things and crap i would personaly caraterise them as powerful demons.and, since i am a soldier of God, it would be my responsibility to take them out.Im also sure whats left of the military would agree.So would everyone else...And if they came to earth to heal people and be good and all that stuff, i can caraterise them as angels, sent by God.Maybe the angels were ordered not to tell the humans about thier God.I would see why. But you see, because there is no evidence of my God, it can only serve to prove how much more mysterious he is. My God doesnt have a physical body and is not of the physical world. He has never showed himself to be either peace over war
So if they came and heal the people you think of them is only angles yet they point out over and over the god of your faith is not real. Evin if God that used to be real fames, came to you and pointed this out and was willing to prove there power to you, you rather believe in a god that did not do anything for you, nore give you any evidence at all for his self? Are you saying no matter what you always believe in something, even if it was proven to be fake?


If God could be proven fake, i wouldnt start worshipping these "new gods", i would just try to learn from them and try to gain thier power and surpass them. When i surpass them i will kill them and start believing in a higher power again. what? having physical gods is dangerous...what if they get angry and start killnig people and controling them to do evil things?thats a frightening though peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)


im not trying to convert any athiests. I respect all beliefs. What im trying to destroy are racists-like views of Christians.It has nothnig to do with the religion, but the people who follow it.All im trying to say is not all Christians are bad people.This is mainly dierected at that athiest extremists who i was argueing with.I hate extremists views, both religous and non religious.

As for your quesion, it's hard to define a god, what makes a god a god? If these gods came down and showed awsome power, they wouldn't disprove my God, because it can be said my God sent them down to earth for a reason.We wouldnt know that reason, but it wouldnt matter. Ultimatly though, if they started destroying things and crap i would personaly caraterise them as powerful demons.and, since i am a soldier of God, it would be my responsibility to take them out.Im also sure whats left of the military would agree.So would everyone else...And if they came to earth to heal people and be good and all that stuff, i can caraterise them as angels, sent by God.Maybe the angels were ordered not to tell the humans about thier God.I would see why. But you see, because there is no evidence of my God, it can only serve to prove how much more mysterious he is. My God doesnt have a physical body and is not of the physical world. He has never showed himself to be either peace over war
So if they came and heal the people you think of them is only angles yet they point out over and over the god of your faith is not real. Evin if God that used to be real fames, came to you and pointed this out and was willing to prove there power to you, you rather believe in a god that did not do anything for you, nore give you any evidence at all for his self? Are you saying no matter what you always believe in something, even if it was proven to be fake?


If God could be proven fake, i wouldnt start worshipping these "new gods", i would just try to learn from them and try to gain thier power and surpass them. When i surpass them i will kill them and start believing in a higher power again. what? having physical gods is dangerous...what if they get angry and start killnig people and controling them to do evil things?thats a frightening though peace over war

Hold on a sec.. Did not your god Kill off billions of people in the world wide flood? Did not your god kill a group of kids for laughing at a bald guy? Did not your god thousands of kids slowly and painfully, just because they did not believe in him in Egypt? 'At that kill count for people you god gas killed in the bibles them self is well over billions.
I don't think giving a god a body will make them any more Bad. if anything it may make them more available to ask the big questions. Like why did they make Humans? OR DID THEY! How did gods come to be? If there around in some form, that gives you someone communicate to, and not have to talk to some middle man that has been dead for 1000 years, and try to understand what God really wanted.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Types of Evidence
- Eyewitness testimony
- Is the eyewitness reliable? Biased?
- Supporting testimony
- Can you find a neutral party to confirm some part of the testimony ?
- Material evidence
- Any evidence that confirms what really happened?


This is really what is needed for any Atheist to be converted.


I have a question for anyone that like to answer it. If Thor god of Thunder, and Odin his father, and Rey all came down and claimed that they are the true Gods! And the Christian God is not real.
What would it take for you to believe them.
Say they wipe out all the militarize powers on earth, would you then convert to Norse Paganism?

(this is just a friendly question.)


im not trying to convert any athiests. I respect all beliefs. What im trying to destroy are racists-like views of Christians.It has nothnig to do with the religion, but the people who follow it.All im trying to say is not all Christians are bad people.This is mainly dierected at that athiest extremists who i was argueing with.I hate extremists views, both religous and non religious.

As for your quesion, it's hard to define a god, what makes a god a god? If these gods came down and showed awsome power, they wouldn't disprove my God, because it can be said my God sent them down to earth for a reason.We wouldnt know that reason, but it wouldnt matter. Ultimatly though, if they started destroying things and crap i would personaly caraterise them as powerful demons.and, since i am a soldier of God, it would be my responsibility to take them out.Im also sure whats left of the military would agree.So would everyone else...And if they came to earth to heal people and be good and all that stuff, i can caraterise them as angels, sent by God.Maybe the angels were ordered not to tell the humans about thier God.I would see why. But you see, because there is no evidence of my God, it can only serve to prove how much more mysterious he is. My God doesnt have a physical body and is not of the physical world. He has never showed himself to be either peace over war
So if they came and heal the people you think of them is only angles yet they point out over and over the god of your faith is not real. Evin if God that used to be real fames, came to you and pointed this out and was willing to prove there power to you, you rather believe in a god that did not do anything for you, nore give you any evidence at all for his self? Are you saying no matter what you always believe in something, even if it was proven to be fake?


If God could be proven fake, i wouldnt start worshipping these "new gods", i would just try to learn from them and try to gain thier power and surpass them. When i surpass them i will kill them and start believing in a higher power again. what? having physical gods is dangerous...what if they get angry and start killnig people and controling them to do evil things?thats a frightening though peace over war

Hold on a sec.. Did not your god Kill off billions of people in the world wide flood? Did not your god kill a group of kids for laughing at a bald guy? Did not your god thousands of kids slowly and painfully, just because they did not believe in him in Egypt? 'At that kill count for people you god gas killed in the bibles them self is well over billions.
I don't think giving a god a body will make them any more Bad. if anything it may make them more available to ask the big questions. Like why did they make Humans? OR DID THEY! How did gods come to be? If there around in some form, that gives you someone communicate to, and not have to talk to some middle man that has been dead for 1000 years, and try to understand what God really wanted.

Ultimatly our human values of good and evil mean nothing to God.God isnt human.Thats like trying to prove an animal is evil, cant happen. Good and evil doesnt exists in nature. In the Bible he chooses whats good/bad. What are we with limited knowlege to challange him? We are all born into sin and are as evil as evil it's self. how can we judge what's true jutstice and not?All that lives must die.And killing has to be a part of this world.Our governemts are not perfect either. We still have people starving in the street and innocent lives are taken/jailed mistakenly every year.Our justice is oviously flawed.We are limited.
Physical Gods would just make things more complicated. People will disagree with those gods, have different views, and try to chanlange them.Athiest will still rise and try to prove those physical gods to be abusing power.Our understanding of god will remain as mysterious as before.Because out knowledge is limited. We dont know what fair is nor do we know what true perfected justice is.Perfection doesnt exists in this world.So we wouldnt know what it is if it hit us in the face.If Gods were physical, the same problems would still occur.How can we understand that which "passeth all understanding"?-BIble peace over war


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The One True God says He doesn't enjoy the death of the wicked. Eze 18:26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. 27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live! God clearly says that He does not take pleasure in the death of anyone, even the wicked. But, because God is Holy, the wicked will be judged. All of the Bible is inspired by God's Holy Spirit. To understand and know God, you have to take all scripture into account, when the Lord judges people and they die, it doesn't please Him, and He doesn't enjoy having to do it. It is my God Who is Holy and just. We as man have sinned and deserve hell, yet my God is merciful to all who repent. This is the goodness of God, and it cannot be understood until one softens their heart and listens to the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
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