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Vaccines - The Deadly "Cure"
Posted 10/16/08

shinto-male wrote:

how are we supposed to eradicate diseases without vaccines? because of vaccines we no longer have to worry about polio, smallpox, measles, etc


remove the mercury/thimerosol from the vaccines

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ok, as a medical professional in training, i have to say that this is the biggest load of bullshit i've heard in the last little while. Here's a REAL scientific paper that says Thimerosal has nothing to do with autism:

Bayer JP. (2008). Mercury, vaccines, and autism: one controversy, three histories. Am J Public Health. Feb;98(2):244-53. PMID:18172138.

Or, we could go and read "news" from prisonplanet.com, which crunchyrollnut thinks is a credible source.

Thiomersal has already been removed from vaccines since 2001, so even if you believe that it could cause autism (which it doesnt) don't let it stop you from getting vaccines! Vaccines save lives...don't go and believe some random conspiracy theory that you see on the internet.
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Vaccines save lives. That article is bullshit. nuff said.
Posted 10/16/08 , edited 10/16/08

pathogenesis wrote:

ok, as a medical professional in training, i have to say that this is the biggest load of bullshit i've heard in the last little while. Here's a REAL scientific paper that says Thimerosal has nothing to do with autism:

Bayer JP. (2008). Mercury, vaccines, and autism: one controversy, three histories. Am J Public Health. Feb;98(2):244-53. PMID:18172138.

Or, we could go and read "news" from prisonplanet.com, which crunchyrollnut thinks is a credible source.

Thiomersal has already been removed from vaccines since 2001, so even if you believe that it could cause autism (which it doesnt) don't let it stop you from getting vaccines! Vaccines save lives...don't go and believe some random conspiracy theory that you see on the internet.


so, you say no vaccine contains mercury anymore, since 2001?

please go to this web link;

"Bush To Veto Ban On Mercury In Vaccines"
"Clear links to neurological disorders ignored, removed from animal vaccines but fine for babies"

http://infowars.net/articles/july2007/200707Mercury.htm

why would Bush have to veto a ban on mercury in vaccines, if there was no mercury in vaccines in the first place?

the bill is for 2008, yet you claim mercury was removed in 2001?

i respectfully submit for the edification of our concerned crunchyroll readers, the following page quote:

"President Bush is to veto a bill that would ban mercury in flu vaccines for children despite its known links to autism and other neurological disorders and despite the fact that he pledged in 2004 to support such a move when campaigning for re-election.

The White House stated on Tuesday that President Bush would veto the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and "objectionable provisions" such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, a press release from Autism advocacy group Safe Minds on the PRNewswire-USNewswire states.

Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children's safety provision from the bill.

Safe Minds warns:

"Under the current administration, mercury has been and will continue to be knowingly injected into the youngest of American citizens. The controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by thousands of parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning and autism."

The flu vaccine, which continues to be manufactured with mercury, is recommended for all pregnant women, infants and children despite the fact that the Institute of Medicine in 2001 recommended against the policy of
exposing these same sensitive groups to thimerosal containing vaccines.

Mercury is the second most toxic metal known to man behind Uranium. Thimerosal is used in vaccines not because it is good for you, but purely because it prevents vaccine contamination. Yet some have questioned why thimerosal is even considered for vaccines because there are obviously safer alternatives to preventing contamination. Questions also remain about how pharmaceutical companies conduct vaccine research and how the government regulates those companies."

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according to this youtube vid, posted by a nurse who graduated with honors clear back in 1990, the vaccines do contain mercury, and it does cause autism;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCt8TYNRvrQ

the poster of the youtube vid, who is a nurse, comments:

"There is ample scientific proof that ethyl mercury, added to vaccines since the 1930's, causes brain damage.

The flu vaccine still contains the full load of mercury and is given to babies twice within their first year of life, then annually thereafter.

Would you rather see your child develop autism or the flu?"






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Posted 10/16/08

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Oh so scary....but with less people on the planet less resources are being used....MUHAHAHA(jk)


vaccines don't kill people, only f**ks up their brains so they can't function normally in society. i did read an article on this though, and i think that this is the main reason. unfortunately, at least in the U.S., the power of the drug companies is such that researchers will probably never "find" evidence linking their vaccines to autism, especially since drug companies fund most of the research on their own drugs. all those ppl who donate to "find the cause and find the cure," are throwing their money away.



i was never vaccinated, we had to lie to the school system and told them i was

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Posted 10/16/08
inforwars is created by the same people who created prisonplanet
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Posted 10/16/08
dude.

fuck fox news. fuck billy o`reilly. and fuck everyone else that supports fox news and him
Posted 10/17/08 , edited 10/17/08
shinto-male posted this; "inforwars is created by the same people who created prisonplanet"

that is correct. i follow reasonably cross-verifiable or independently verifiable news wherever it leads to or comes from. i do not endorse this or that news information site, political person or agenda. i simply pursue the truth, T-R-U-T-H. i do it as respectfully as possible, although i am not always repaid in kind.

today, prisonplanet or infowars may support news or information which is independently verified by other web sites or info sources, preferably ones that are as reputable as possible. tomorrow, i may disagree with prisonplanet or infowars on some other issue.

as it happens, innocent children are being brain-murdered in the name of obscenely senseless mega-corporate profits by mercenary-minded professionals who have dollar signs for eyes and calculators for hearts.

on an alternate front, teenaged girls are having their honor slandered as well as their brains and bodies murdered or ruined by the HPV vaccine, again, in the name of obscene-minded profiteers, whether they happen to be politicians or industry moguls.

that said, here is the latest on the flu vaccine fiasco;

"Huge Protests As New Jersey Declares Flu Vaccines Mandatory"

"Parents seething over “requirement” that children get a flu shot in order to attend preschools and day-care centers"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/huge-protests-as-new-jersey-declares-flu-vaccines-mandatory.html

"Hundreds of concerned parents participated in demonstrations outside the New Jersey Statehouse yesterday in protest of the State’s decision to mandate flu vaccinations for young children."

everything i have reported so far in this thread still stands; mercury in the vaccines, skyrocketing childhood autism rates and pharmaceutical manufacturer's profits and politicians' bribes.

like the nurse said who i quoted a day ago; "Would you rather see your child develop autism or the flu?"
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Posted 10/17/08
Bah I don't know I was always pretty sure there was more to the mandatory shot then they were telling us I got to be a lab rat for a vaccine trial and let me tell you it isn't fun they are relatively safe when they have been in circulation to the public for awhile but the clinical testing portion has some lovely side effects......
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it may be true that there is no law to have your children vaccinated.. but it is truth that schools require your child to be vaccinated and require proof in order for them to be enrolled. just like you have to have your hepatitis B shots before you can enter college and have proof of it on your immunization record.

now for the flu shots?? i haven't had one for about 10+ years now and i've never gotten seriously sick to the point where i had to stay home. i think it all comes down to one's own immune system and how well they take care of their body. clean freaks that use lysol and disinfectants throughout the day are actually weakening their immune system. what's the point of having such a thing if you don't let it work? let your kids play dirty and catch colds when they're young, it'll benefit them in the long run.
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I see your point about the possible harms of vaccinations and people shouldn't be forced to take them.
What do you think about condemning contraception and safe sex on the account it "endangers your immortal soul" ? (or whatever they believe) Should parents have the right to deny their children of it? Should condoms and such be kept out of schools as per the communities request?
Posted 10/17/08

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crunchyrollnut wrote:

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I see your point about the possible harms of vaccinations and people shouldn't be forced to take them.
What do you think about condemning contraception and safe sex on the account it "endangers your immortal soul" ? (or whatever they believe) Should parents have the right to deny their children of it? Should condoms and such be kept out of schools as per the communities request?


you are discussing what amounts to 'apples & oranges', and i cannot comment at this time on what you asked about as it does not bear on this issue on which i wish to keep as close to pinpoint focus as possible. but thank you and have a great day.
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flu shots don't work
Posted 10/17/08 , edited 10/17/08

zephiria wrote:

it may be true that there is no law to have your children vaccinated.. but it is truth that schools require your child to be vaccinated and require proof in order for them to be enrolled. just like you have to have your hepatitis B shots before you can enter college and have proof of it on your immunization record.

now for the flu shots?? i haven't had one for about 10+ years now and i've never gotten seriously sick to the point where i had to stay home. i think it all comes down to one's own immune system and how well they take care of their body. clean freaks that use lysol and disinfectants throughout the day are actually weakening their immune system. what's the point of having such a thing if you don't let it work? let your kids play dirty and catch colds when they're young, it'll benefit them in the long run.


"Parents Kept In Dark About Vaccine Waiver"

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/vaccines_parents_kept_in_dark_about_waiver.htm

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Parents Kept In Dark About Vaccine Waiver
Religious and personal objection forms not included in information pack, police followed advocacy reporters to bathroom, kids herded in line to take shots with no regard to medical or vaccine history

Prison Planet | November 19, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson

Parents of children in Prince George's County Maryland were kept in the dark about their right to opt out of vaccines as over a thousand kids were herded into a courthouse to be injected while authorities kept a close watch on advocacy groups and reporters who tried to inform parents that there was no law to mandate the shots.

Parents were threatened with fines and jail time last week if they failed to have their children immunized, after schools kicked out kids for not taking the Hepatitis B vaccine.

According to observers who were able to gain access to the courthouse, children with a history of medical issues were not properly screened as parents were simply told to get in line and have their kids take the shots.

"Many of those in line said their children were properly immunized, but the school system had misplaced the records. They said efforts to get the paperwork straightened out beforehand had been futile," reported the Associated Press .

In the following video, [see link] Kelli Ann Davis, a member of SafeMinds, a national autism advocacy organization, whose son Miles was diagnosed with autism in 2002 as a result of mercury poisoning from vaccines, relates how she was also followed by police with dogs to the bathroom after being told she "was not one of them".

She also explains how the information packs handed out to parents before they lined up to have their kids take the shots failed to include waiver forms giving parents the right to opt out due to personal, religious or medical reasons.

[video link on web page appears here; see link to see vid]

State Attorney Glenn Ivey, who admitted during a radio interview last week that no law mandated the shots and also that he had chosen not to give his kids the vaccines, confirmed that exemption forms were available from the back of the room. However, when asked if they were aware of the right to opt out, parents were miffed. News reports failed to cite any cases where parents had opted out as a result of signing waiver forms.

According to an Associated Press report , over a thousand children were vaccinated on Saturday, leaving around 1100 who did not show up to the courthouse. The fact that mandatory shots were being doled out in court after parents had been threatened with arrest, reminiscent of some nightmarish science fiction horror movie, and potentially dangerous in itself, was also overlooked by mainstream news coverage.

On Friday, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons condemned the case as a "vaccine roundup."

"This power play obliterates informed consent and parental rights," said Kathryn Serkes, director of policy for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), one of the few national physician groups that refuse corporate funding from pharmaceutical companies. In a scenario reminiscent of cattle round-ups, the state's attorney has issued summons to more than 1600 parents of children who have not provided certificates of immunization for their children. But instead of toting a cattle prod, this state's attorney chooses to wield a syringe to keep the "herd" in line.

Children should be carefully screened, medical records taken and decisions made carefully - not in an ad hoc assembly-line clinic in a county courtroom and under the brutal watch of law enforcement. This is a man-made disaster ready and waiting to detonate. Children could receive a dangerous cocktail of several vaccines without proper examinations. "The procedure is reckless and subjects children to the risk of severe reactions. Physicians would not be allowed to treat children in this way, without individual histories and physical exams - or informed consent," said Jane M. Orient, M.D., AAPS Executive Director.

AAPS also pointed out a blatant conflict of interest, highlighting the fact that the school district is set to lose a windfall in state funding unless students comply with the vaccine order.

With the state still hell-bent of getting over a thousand other children to take the shots, this case is far from over, and charges that parents have been subject to an intimidation campaign while not being properly informed of the exemption process will continue.

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"Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html

The bottom line is what the title posted here says; "Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court".

IOW, the government admitted a vaccine-autism link in a court of law. Do please check out the article.
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