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Alright, I’m curious about different peoples beliefs and explanations on this. Now, some of us may have to play devil’s advocate on this, (myself included) but let us assume there is no God. No Goddess. No deity.

How, then, did it all start? Time, reality, life, creation? How does all of this exist?

Just curious.

P.S, forgive me for putting out two threads so close together. I had actually tried to put my previous thread out earlier today but it failed. I then came up with this thread and realize my blunder. (Though I’m still not sure what exactly I did to make the thread not appear… Maybe clicked the wrong think before X-ing out?) Still, I wanted to start both threads so I did. Their not spam, and actually contribute something, so I figured nobody would mind. Srry if I bugged anyone. Don’t mean to be a noob. :p


Edit: Well, for the sake of keeping the thread alive with insightful and interesting conversation I guess I'll revise it a bit. Rather than just discuss how things could have happened without God go ahead and give your theory for the dawn of time. Scularly or not.

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Big bang maybe? I believe that after the creation of the planet, a stable condition for organisms to exist occurred. After that the first microorganism came to be, it reproduced, and several of several years later evolution took place . I don't wanna say anything else because I don't really have any scientific background to base my statements on, but yeah....you kinda get it, don't you? I'm not very good when it comes to this.
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I don't really understand? Do u wan't us to explain our view of Creation from a non-Christian point?
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Big bang maybe? I believe that after the creation of the planet, a stable condition for organisms to exist occurred. After that the first microorganism came to be, it reproduced, and several of several years later evolution took place . I don't wanna say anything else because I don't really have any scientific background to base my statements on, but yeah....you kinda get it, don't you? I'm not very good when it comes to this.


But what created that organism? What allowed it to exist?




I don't really understand? Do u wan't us to explain our view of Creation from a non-Christian point?


Not at all. I’m just curious about peoples theories about how everything could have been created if there was no God. So if you’re an atheist you can just share your personal views, if your not then you can just speak hypothetically. I’m not asking anyone to deny God or anything, I just don’t understand how somebody can believe that there is -no- divine being, no father of creation, no all powerful entity, no God. I want to be educated in peoples views, beliefs, or in the case of religious individuals theories.

I would also like to give atheists a chance to explain their beliefs, cuz I'm curious.
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well, I really only do believe in Biblical Creation. I don't think anything else is true. But if I was an athiest I would probably go with a slightly different view of evolution. I would think that life didn't origionate from matter. But from energy.
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^^But that wouldn't be very fun, now would it? If you don't want to us to involve religion in this then what else could we use? If God didn't create the first organism, then it had to begin with natural components such as carbon, which allowed it to live in the harsh environment created by our newly formed planet. From then on, this discussion won't go very far since it would be mostly based on scientific theories.
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The most successful description of the origin of the universe comes from the big bang theory. The vast majority of what came out from the big bang was hydrogen. It cooled down, atoms began to form and so on.

We can only guess what happened before that.



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Ok....so am I the only one who thinks this thread won't move any further?
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^ yep.. exactly wat im thinking..
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...That's true. I s'pose I don't care if people throw in their religion then.
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Ah yes the beginnings of life. As usual I'll take a complete biological approach to it. If we take into consideration the Miller Urey experiment, then we can assume that organic molecules can instantaneously form to create organic molecules.

Here's a diagram for it:

Basically inorganic molecules that were emitted form volcanoes and vents expelled the initial elements needed. Then various factors such as heat, pressure and radiation caused the synthesis of of methane, hydrogen gas, ammonia, etc. Further research also shows that organic polymers of primitive amino acids and proteins spontaneously bonded together to introduce polymers.

Then comes the idea of "protobionts". These were the early predecessors of living cells and organisms. They weren't able to reproduce, but they had certain properties of life. The most important aspect is that they were able to form by themselves from abiotically produced organic molecules. These protobionts were able to create a separate internal environment that allowed for the various processes to happen. Within these isolated environments, voltage potential and pH were different from the outside. Thus synthesis and decomposition reactions began to occur.

Now through natural selection, certain protobionts with RNA or DNA had a higher survival rate and then proliferated freely continuing on to the modern day organisms.

Here's a small link that discusses it very superficially though:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/biog105/pages/demos/106/unit04/3a.protobionts.html
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Here's the abstract to the journal article about it. Sorry I can't get the full article off the net.
http://xrl.us/vtvv (Link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
* I shortened your link because it was too long.

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Damn, you made my statements sound as nothing but gibberish compared to your own.
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Posted 4/18/07
Thanks a load Jam. That's just the kind of stuff I was looking for! Now I can educate myself!
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Posted 4/18/07
^ Yea I think I kind off killed this thread with all the science I put into that post. Sigh oh well. Continue chatting about religion then.
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Yes, I s'pose you may have. I'm not educated enough on the topic to revive it either... *Sigh* You also messed up my screen. Now I have to scroll left to get the end of your posts... Still, I'm much obliged.
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