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Posted 6/8/07
some organism cells got it going on and poof! here we are...
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Posted 6/9/07
Well, i cant assume there's no God, but hypothetically, I'd say big bang.
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Posted 6/9/07
It has to be a combination of big bang specifically evolutionary process on earth but having a God complicates things as i MY personal belief of the whole Genesis 7 day world kinda idea.... it just gets very messy and all of it is just theory
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Posted 6/9/07
i forgot where it was mentioned exactly, but in the bible it says that one day in heaven is like a zillion years on earth. could it be that evolution was taking place over billions of years on earth as God made the entire universe "in seven days" in heaven?

As with genesis 1, when each of the creatures of the sea, land and air appeared one by one, could they have been evolving from single-celled organisms to fish, then to amphibians, reptiles, birds and then eventually mammals?

my two cents. feel free to reply.
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Posted 6/9/07
There was a mathmatician who talked about the probability of the big bang. he said that the probability is equal to having a disassembled rolex watch in a bag, throwing the bag with the watch in the air and catching hit perfectly assembled. personally I beleive in god and that he created everything; the world just seems too perfect and beautiful. all things witness of god and his creation. I beleive in micro-evolution but macro-evolution, even from a purely, scientific perspective lacks any evidence. No where has it being observed of one species becoming another, even historically. what is being observed is the formation of sub-species within a species. for example the great variety in types of dogs; they're still dogs, not cats, not pigs but still dogs all of them but there are hundreds of different sized dogs with different colors in different parts of the world. the k-nine species has broken adapted to within itself breaking down into different varieties and niches but always remain dogs none the less. so that's what I beleive.
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Posted 6/9/07
The whole bible and evolution is very confusing.... I'm still working at it.. so all I can go on is what i have. The main question is whether or not you believe in the sovereignty of man over animals.

That means whether you believe man fundamentally is just an animal or something else ie a animal made in the image of God.

I think when you have answered that you then can add bits and pieces of sub species evolution to the picture and maybe came to a happy understanding. But for me once I answered the above question I was happy. Anyway in the end we will never know so we can only ask God when we get there but there's plenty out there in term on Christian philosophers who have done really extensive research and come up with some really good points, and who have load of time for really complex and deep thought.
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Posted 6/9/07

brtl33 wrote:

There was a mathmatician who talked about the probability of the big bang. he said that the probability is equal to having a disassembled rolex watch in a bag, throwing the bag with the watch in the air and catching hit perfectly assembled. personally I beleive in god and that he created everything; the world just seems too perfect and beautiful.


How about some strong anthropic principle for ya?

@jamehze: I'm lacking in biology, but in your first post you talked about the evolution of proteins, right after stating that they couldn't reproduce. I thought the chain of life went:
Self supporting chemical reactions -> Growing complexity in the reactions -> organisms without DNA (sufficiently complex self reproducing reactions) -> organism that use DNA -> Monkeys -> Us
Could you explain your post?

@mauz15: Ockham's razor is a tricky thing. The scope of the M-theory is entirely different then the other things proposed. The M-theory rose up to explain certain things that couldn't be explained with our current laws. 5 competing theories to explain those glitches were unified into one theory (M//Unified String Theory), which postulated the existence of more universes that interacted with ours. Other ideas came around to solve the discrepancies, but none of them have the grace of the M Theory (So I'm told, of course). They are patchwork fixes. So, if in the future more evidence is given in favor of the M Theory, it could be the smallest number of assumptions to explain a solution. It's premature to decide anything.

I've always found life to be even more beautiful because of it's rarity. The knowledge that just a little more or less initial energy would have prevented our existence, without a belief in an intentional design.

On the other hand, I would respect the mighty compression algorithm of god for being to create exactly what he wanted from a ball of energy. Maybe we're just a giant potluck, some Chinese wax throwing to predict the future.
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Posted 7/8/07
i ont beleive in god so i mostly believe in he big bang, i dont beleive in that much either.
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Posted 7/8/07
If god created the universe that would destroy some of the fundamental things of the laws of physics and chemistry.

Making matter from nothing is as we know.. not possible. Hell there is no answer to this yet. I'm curious about the big bang and its theories but I refuse to believe that some higher being created everything. If so, who created the higher being?

Hehe, I suddenly remembered the ending of Men in Black one and how we can be just be liked trapped inside of a globe in a bigger world filled with gigantic beings
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Posted 7/8/07
Would one of the mods care to look at chris74742. He is dredging up month's old threads to make one sentence state about his disbelief of god, or http://www.crunchyroll.com/showforumtopic?id=3243&pg=1.

@happyxix, if a higher being created the universe, he coud have easily designed it so it ran by a set of laws (ie. physics, chemistry).


but I refuse to believe that some higher being created everything. If so, who created the higher being?


The higher being has existed forever? Not really that hard to wrap your mind around (or to be more precise it's too difficult to never be comprehended). Time is in itself an infinite variable, and one that is beyond comprehension, (so why try?)
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Hmmm. I'm not into God, though, I have to ask, if we are around and created by God in the bible, Did God have a Mom and Dad? How was God created then, huh? As I remember it, God wanted to destroy mankind except his son kept him from blowing us all up. So, I can't believe in God. God's son Jesus, yes. Which bring us down to this: Is God really someone from our future trying to rewrite history? Think about that. The Big Bang thing, huh? Well, we can't prove it's wrong just yet. The line curve thingy? Who knows for sure until we try it, if that can be done. Never stop trying til you get an answer and you might not like the answer when it runs over all your beliefs or what you think you know at the time. Science over God or magic or all of the above? Hmmm. Life throws curve balls at us all and are we human enough to deal with it when it happens? Hmmmm.
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Posted 2/23/10
It all speculative really.
No one knows.
Maybe that in itself is the answer.
It all exist because of one unanswered question.
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Posted 2/23/10 , edited 2/23/10
'First I like to add some factors in...' Matter, matter can take on many forms and change its form as well. It is not fixed, it can change.
So if this matter has always been in one form or another, and Gravity is the factor to how things got started. Its gravity that forms suns its the suns that create heavy forms of matter from lighter forms of matter, creating planets. (ok got past that part..)

Now life how did it get it start?

jamehze wrote:

Ah yes the beginnings of life. As usual I'll take a complete biological approach to it. If we take into consideration the Miller Urey experiment, then we can assume that organic molecules can instantaneously form to create organic molecules.

Here's a diagram for it:

Basically inorganic molecules that were emitted form volcanoes and vents expelled the initial elements needed. Then various factors such as heat, pressure and radiation caused the synthesis of of methane, hydrogen gas, ammonia, etc. Further research also shows that organic polymers of primitive amino acids and proteins spontaneously bonded together to introduce polymers.

Then comes the idea of "protobionts". These were the early predecessors of living cells and organisms. They weren't able to reproduce, but they had certain properties of life. The most important aspect is that they were able to form by themselves from abiotically produced organic molecules. These protobionts were able to create a separate internal environment that allowed for the various processes to happen. Within these isolated environments, voltage potential and pH were different from the outside. Thus synthesis and decomposition reactions began to occur.

Now through natural selection, certain protobionts with RNA or DNA had a higher survival rate and then proliferated freely continuing on to the modern day organisms.

Here's a small link that discusses it very superficially though:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/biog105/pages/demos/106/unit04/3a.protobionts.html
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Here's the abstract to the journal article about it. Sorry I can't get the full article off the net.
http://xrl.us/vtvv (Link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
* I shortened your link because it was too long.

~mauz15


Basically Jamehze got the ideal of the start of life right. So from their how did life get to wear it is now?
Simply put, evolution is the result of changes in genetic code. The genes encode the basic characteristics a life form will have, and there is no known mechanism that would prevent small changes (microevolution) from ultimately resulting in macroevolution. While genes can vary significantly between different life forms, the basic mechanisms of operation and change in all genes are the same.
With enough time you have the world we have today. Given more time humans if separated from each other into two groups for a long enough will become to different species them selves. (future.)
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