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The double standard behind double standards…
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Posted 4/19/07
The point of my post was to give reasonable suggestions why this double standard is the case. If you have a good idea of why it is, by all means post them. I don't want to respond to your 5 paragraphs point by point, but you seemed to misunderstand what I was trying to get across, for instance for 1) do you think men and women want a relationship with a man/women that is seeing another person (or more then one)? I think the vast majority do not. Problems with stds, other children, etc. Also the power thing is not so much about enforcing desire, but having the power to set social norms.

So, I'm more interested in your idea of what cause the double standard as well as what you meant by this "Also, please use better grammar in the future." as perhaps that lead to the misunderstanding.
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The fact that this topic is mostly made up of males starts raising questions like why females didn't want to discuss a serious issue.
Also, I feel some people are avoiding the main topic and shifting towards... toilet seats??? rofl but I get the point. But I feel bad for the person who started a serious topic.

Well, first of all, everything you said is very true, but you're in America right? and you're a caucasian too meaning you don't make up a minority group. [edit] OK so many hispanics outnumber caucasians now?? but the point is you're not an immigrant, at least not for a veery long time. So basically if whites started being over patriotic people would see that as self defeating on their own turf and even arrogant. Yes, yes, before you chuck rotten tomatoes at me, I do understand it seems unfair though.
But wow, you've noticed alot of discrimmination against white males?? Honestly I've never seen it happen, but it truly is unfair for the innocent people. If it makes you feel any better, it's far worse in asia... they're not exactly foreigner friendly.

I don't think I can agree with you on the insurance thing though because it mostly seems like a stereotype, and yes, women and male should be equal but it seems impossible to shift our thoughts. I dislike sexist men, but I do think it's unfair for good men out there to be labelled the same as the pigs. But it's true, more men do commit sexual assault than women. But it also seems surprisingly easy for a woman to accuse a man of rape and get him into legal trouble, and they take advantage of that.

I totally agree with you on the women being labeled as whores, and have you noticed? Most of the really bad swear words relate to women in some way:
motherfckrs, btches, sluts etc. and for promiscuous women there are a tonne of cusses, and what do we have for men? casanovas, players. That's it. The worst a promiscuous man would be called is a damn casanova in my opinion.
History's behind the sexism. We can't get rid of it so easily. It annoys me yes, but even look at female fantasies of being saved by the knight in shining armour, even portrayed in the media! Watch anything on crunchyroll and that's usually the case. It doesn't matter if the woman is portrayed as strong, she always must be saved by a man, and to top it all off, if she started off as an ugly turd, rules state that she has to transform into a beautiful woman before the man can accept her.

Does nobody have a problem with this besides me? Even females buy into this crap, how're we going to change views on sexism like that? I get ticked off by the hordes of women who insult our gender by playing into this crap. The dumb blonde whatever stereotype, it doesn't matter, that's not the big picture the fact that women are that unintelligent and yet males seem to treat them better than the intelligent ones piss me off to no end. It's almost as if women feel there is an incentive to being all pretty, perky and mostly ignorant. This is dominant in the media! It's hysterical I tell you.

It always pisses me off when I see this in anime or dramas too, women should be portrayed as thinkers. Not influence other girls to be shallow, concentrate solely on their looks, and sell that and not their brains! It seems like the easiest thing for women to sell their looks and make alot of money from hostessing or whatever, but I'm absolutely sick of women who continue to let this stereotype roll on, are some women so lazy to even learn and think for themselves? How're we going to stop this sexism like that?? It's partly the fault of some women themselves who aren't progressing.

I've drolled on enough about unrelated matters >_> the fact is double standards SUCK and that's one of the many facets of mankind. If it bums you out that much though, just remember that we haven't even overcome the physical hurdles like starving people and children in this day and age prevalent in Africa.
Well, the only solution is well... everybody's different, some are responsive to these things, some are too ignorant to give a damn. I just feel like the human race will never change and that we just have to cope with these injustices. It could be worse though right?
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I think i know what u mean. Double standards are seen in almost everywhere in the world. It just depends how deep it goes. Like over here , we are still being classed by our race and religion even in forms. And there are lots of privileges being a particular ethnicity for instances a status u get to tick in the box to get special privileges is u come from that ethnicity and religion status, as first class citizens while pretty much the rest are 2nd to 3rd class even when we are supposedly multiracial , multi cultured multi religion culture. From basic needs to workings. From buying a house to getting a project tendered.

They now have a 90% policy of the parcitular ethnicity in ur working environment, taxed less, and the so called New Economic Policy since the race riot a few decades ago.Our schools are slowly being segregated, our prejudice againts other ethnicity is getting worse as we are slowly imprinted in our minds by our own ethnicity about teh views of others n how unfair some policy is towards us.

Maybe u guys know which country it is , but i dont want the Internal Security Agency come kicking down my door n grabbing my @ss to indefinite detention under the Special Ordinance Act.

As for the US , i think its thier own democracy that my be slowly destroying itself. Its like how hardline muslims going over to US can have all the rights in removing sensitive religious objects or wordings removed becuase they view it as discrimitory while if u guys go over Iran n erect a church you will all get stoned to death in a matter of minutes.Dont even bother about ur rights there.

I think i am out of topic.

Oh oh.. and Ladies nights.. free drinks , free entry ..

where is the guys nights ? he he~ even at clubs with VIP status why do the girls get to cut cue n use the toilet while i get to line up? he he..


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sypris wrote:


queenbee wrote:

Poor Seraph! did u continue dating her??? did the girl know???

In my experience of the filipino culture as well there is one thing that i hate the most!!!
Teenage boys bragging and telling lies to each other that they had sex with a girl who they all know. Sometimes she's the girl they all have a crush on....but still single coz she rejected them all.
They act sooo immature and don't even realize that what they are doing is destroying that girl's reputation!!!

lolz! i told my friend that a fitting revenge for that is to go around and tell people how small their p****es are!!!


if you do that you jus bein like the rest of the guys


it aint cool to insult the insulter after all


Lolz! Chill! That was a joke....but personally if it was me i'd probably do it coz by that time my reputation is already torn to shreds so i don't give a damn about being cool and all that!!!
plus thats also a double standard in my opinion coz they tear ur reputation apart and u can't do the same? im not the type of person to just sit and take all that...


Oh oh.. and Ladies nights.. free drinks , free entry ..

where is the guys nights ? he he~ even at clubs with VIP status why do the girls get to cut cue n use the toilet while i get to line up? he he..


Coz in the clubs, they want to attract female customers more so they would get a good reputation as the club where all the hottest women go and thus attract more guys as well.....so they do promotions like free entries to entice them to come in...besides wouldn't it look weird if all the patrons are guys??? it'll be classed as a gay bar!!!
its good business sense really plus girls don't really drink as much as guys do and so when they have free drinks promo then its actually better for the guys coz then they don't have to buy the girls' drinks...
idk about the toilet thing...shouldn't they have separate ones???lolz!
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@Eros:

ACK! Kill that grammar thing. You have fine enough grammar! I don't know how that got there, but it was meant to be placed in an e-mail to somebody else I was talking to via the net.


As far as my ideas…I think it was caused because most prostitutes truly are women, and because it typically hurts a woman more when you call her a whore than it does a man. (People usually start calling each other whores when they want to offend each other.)

@App.

Reading over your post I think you yourself are most likely sexist. However, this is just judging by one post; moreover, I don’t think you read through my post properly. Of course on the latter mentioned of these two items I can’t blame you because my post was wildly long. Still, as I said in that post, I notice these discriminations because I’m a white male. None the less, I also notice and even mentioned other prejudices. I’m also a Christian, yet even I can admit that Jews are the most highly discriminated against religion. This being said I don’t think it is fair for you to judge that I only notice prejudices again my people. (You may not have been implying that, but it seemed like you were to a degree.)

Also, I AM TOO A MINORITY! In Oklahoma state Hispanics are the majority. We’re out numbered. In this part of the city there are more Hispanics than blacks, more blacks than whites. The only people we seem to out number are the Asians.

Yes. That insurance thing is a stereotyping thing. It’s a form of fascism, but I don’t think I said I agreed with it. If I did it was as a result of my poor choice in words, not my expression of opinion. I think it is sexist. Sexist=bad, if you ask me. (Though I’m not saying people are not free to be sexist if they please. Everyone is free to their beliefs and philosophies, however much I’m inclined against them. That’s my feelings.)

Man, way to make me feel dumb! Never realized how aloof I can be! I should certainly be more cognizant of these things, but yes, you’re right. Most cusswords do seem to refer to women in some way. However, there are also swears that do not directly refer to men but still have the connation of a man. @ss hole, bastard, and the likes. This being said, it’s clearly more prejudice against women than men.

Now for the female fantasy! You’re not a chick (according to the way you address the matter I am assuming this) so it’s not fare for you to judge women for having those kind of ideals. Likewise, it’s not fair for you to get mad at them. Some women believe that things are supposed to be that way. They are just as free to this belief as you are free to your belief that women should be portrayed as thinkers.

Which, of course, brings me to one of your own prejudice ideas. Why should women be portrayed as thinkers? Women are just as capable as thinking as men, no more, no less. (Though statistical studies, {or wastes of money as I call them} show that the average woman scores higher on the IQ test than the average man. It also shows that men are more inclined to reach levels of genius.) At the same time they are also capable of acting. To be honest with you I have this fantasy of some beautiful sylph coming and rescuing me from all the temptations of the sluts around me. (Forgive me my language. I notice that some of what I am saying is considered swearing by some, but I was raised differently. Message me if you would like me to watch my tongue a bit more.)

Besides that, I don’t think that ALL movies, anime, shows, ext treat women as damsels in distress. Let’s see a movie… that one… What’s it called? Well, this little girl is kidnapped while her mother is on a plane. The plane is being hijacked and the hijackers frame the mother. They try to convince her that her daughter is dead and she is insane. The mother manages to outsmart and ultimately defeat the hijackers.

An anime… Naruto at times. (Though this show goes both ways.) There is an episode where Naruto gets his butt kicked and Hinata saves his life by defeating the ninja that beat him into a pulp. Chobits has an episode where Heideki is within a video game world and is about to be slain when Chii shows up and destroys the evil monster. Blood + features an amazingly powerful female warrior who seems to do most of the saving…

Well, this all being said you summed everything up in your last paragraph. Taking that to be your central message I’ll say I agree with you. Double standards suck. Though the Africa stuff seems a bit off topic. Well, yes, it is true that we’ve been spoiled here in America. However, that does not mean that we should spend all our time being grateful that we’re not starving and thus forget to solve the less problems that we do have. That’s how I feel…








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Your post appeared while I was writing mine, Bad. To adress you: I'm sorry to hear about your homeland. I have an idea where you are but I'm not sure and wont verbalize.

Well, I hope things work out in the long run for your nation. All together your post is so alarming to me that I don't know exactly how to react to it...I might get back to you later.
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Oh oh.. and Ladies nights.. free drinks , free entry ..

where is the guys nights ? he he~ even at clubs with VIP status why do the girls get to cut cue n use the toilet while i get to line up? he he..


Coz in the clubs, they want to attract female customers more so they would get a good reputation as the club where all the hottest women go and thus attract more guys as well.....so they do promotions like free entries to entice them to come in...besides wouldn't it look weird if all the patrons are guys??? it'll be classed as a gay bar!!!


Ya i know.. but it would be nice to know there is a Guys Night., LOL! i have a club/lounge too but.. i also wont have a Guys Night.. he he.. u wont see me there too.lol! becomes a Gay Night later.. damn!

Posted 4/19/07
There are definitely double standards against both males and females. The ones that come to my mind right away...
For Men: The expectation to be a "modern man" and not be afraid to show emotion and cry, etc. while still being told "to be a man and rub some dirt in it" or something like that.
For Women: Women and encouraged and applauded when in positions of power and authority, but are often criticized for being to masculine when they have to be assertive and make their opinion well known as it is often needed in positions of power.
But that's just my opinion, and there are many other double standards of course.
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As much as I would love o see double standards become a thing of the past, this is simply not possible. It is human emotion, one can even call it human instinct to judge all those around him or herself. as such it is impossible to leave out double standards due to something we all know, the 7 sins:
pride
lust
greed
vanity
sloth
gluttony
wrath

Now, I am certainly not a biblical person, nor am I saying these "sins" are your only problem, it's something we'll have to live with.


Now here's something interesting though, I'd say in about 100 years or so, maybe a bit more, the current double standards are as good as gone, replaced by new double standards, a whole new form of prejudice will be found and the current racism will be altered. it was like that 100 years ago, and 100 years before that, etc.

So what can we do about these double standards, honestly speaking, very little, the Russian Communism was very close to minimizing double standards, but it proved to be too frail in actual practice.
Posted 9/16/09


Feminism...^^ nice!
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Posted 9/16/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

Here’s another double standard that bothers me. Boy gets girl pregnant. Girl=whore, guy=guy. Right?

Similar to this they say that guys can sleep around and their “big men” (in my definition whores.) but girls sleep around and they are whores. I don’t think this one is a direct double standard. I think it something that has developed because people know that if they call a man a whore it most likely wont hurt his feelings. Typically a guy would brag about something like that, but a woman would be hurt. (This is a matter of generalization.)



Also someone had said to me that it's more difficult to get girls than it is to get guys, because guys in general tend to be a lot less reserved about how many people they'll sleep with.
Which is true I guess. But after thinking it over, I know so many loose women that being a "player" really isn't much of an accomplishment.
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i'm completely agreed. i'm pure asian though
Posted 9/16/09
Too long. Way too long, I skimmed through this whole thread. Well, overall I agree. That's all I gotta say. :]
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Posted 9/16/09
although it is quite late, shouldn't it be in the E.D.
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