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So since there has been posting on this topic on anothere thread. I thouth we should start one on it.
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The Bible's absolutely true..


It is one miracle God has given us...
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It is God's Love letter for us...
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I think its true, but people really take it out of its original context, misinterpret things, and fail to realize metaphors. It is one of th most difficult collections of texts in existence, and people to this day are probably no closer to fully understanding it. So yes, it is true, but it is difficult to find the history from the parabols and metaphors.
Posted 1/2/09
the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure
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the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???
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Well putting up a poll in a christian group is only going to get one outcome lol (which I happen to agree with but the results will be biased nonetheless). Maybe you should put this up in a general thread and see what Cr as a whole thinks rather than just BA.
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I believe the Bible is the word of God.
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Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth
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Kamahamaha wrote:


Ratman21 wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth


The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days.

Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies written in the old testament. The chance of one person fullfilling just 8 of the prophesies is 1 out of 10 to the 17th power. Imagine the state of texas filled with silver dollars. You mark one of those silver dollars with a red x and mix all those silver dollars up. And you have one chance to pull the silver dollar with a red x. That's the chances you have for one person fulfilling EIGHT of those prophesies. Now imagine if you would trying to fulfill 108 prophesies. The probability of fulfilling so many is lower than pulling one specific atom in the universe out of all the atoms in the universe.

Next, where the Bible mentions a town, pool, city or major landmark, Archaeologists have located it. One example is the Pool of Bethsaida, where people didn't believe it actually existed and said the Bible was wrong because, 'Ah, the pool doesn't exist, it is wrong!' Guess what, they found the pool of Bethsaida in 1888 when remodeling a house, or something like that.

Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again.

The whole Bible, on the other hand, was fervently copied by Monks in in the middle/dark Ages. One person would be given a verse or chapter. Then, if the verse held up under scrutiny, the page was passed onto another monk, who copied another verse/chapter. If even the slightest thing was wrong, the page of the Bible and all the monks' collective hard work was burned and they had to start again.

Trust me, the Bible is accurate and the real deal. There is less certainty about the writings of shakespheare in comparison to the Bible, and that is only a few hundred years old while the Bible is over a thousand years old. It can also be compared to ancient manuscripts. The Bible is remarkably well preserved over time.
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clearwateralchemist wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:


Ratman21 wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth


The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days.

Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies written in the old testament. The chance of one person fullfilling just 8 of the prophesies is 1 out of 10 to the 17th power. Imagine the state of texas filled with silver dollars. You mark one of those silver dollars with a red x and mix all those silver dollars up. And you have one chance to pull the silver dollar with a red x. That's the chances you have for one person fulfilling EIGHT of those prophesies. Now imagine if you would trying to fulfill 108 prophesies. The probability of fulfilling so many is lower than pulling one specific atom in the universe out of all the atoms in the universe.

Next, where the Bible mentions a town, pool, city or major landmark, Archaeologists have located it. One example is the Pool of Bethsaida, where people didn't believe it actually existed and said the Bible was wrong because, 'Ah, the pool doesn't exist, it is wrong!' Guess what, they found the pool of Bethsaida in 1888 when remodeling a house, or something like that.

Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again.

The whole Bible, on the other hand, was fervently copied by Monks in in the middle/dark Ages. One person would be given a verse or chapter. Then, if the verse held up under scrutiny, the page was passed onto another monk, who copied another verse/chapter. If even the slightest thing was wrong, the page of the Bible and all the monks' collective hard work was burned and they had to start again.

Trust me, the Bible is accurate and the real deal. There is less certainty about the writings of shakespheare in comparison to the Bible, and that is only a few hundred years old while the Bible is over a thousand years old. It can also be compared to ancient manuscripts. The Bible is remarkably well preserved over time.


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Posted 1/24/09

clearwateralchemist wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:


Ratman21 wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth


The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days.

Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies written in the old testament. The chance of one person fullfilling just 8 of the prophesies is 1 out of 10 to the 17th power. Imagine the state of texas filled with silver dollars. You mark one of those silver dollars with a red x and mix all those silver dollars up. And you have one chance to pull the silver dollar with a red x. That's the chances you have for one person fulfilling EIGHT of those prophesies. Now imagine if you would trying to fulfill 108 prophesies. The probability of fulfilling so many is lower than pulling one specific atom in the universe out of all the atoms in the universe.

Next, where the Bible mentions a town, pool, city or major landmark, Archaeologists have located it. One example is the Pool of Bethsaida, where people didn't believe it actually existed and said the Bible was wrong because, 'Ah, the pool doesn't exist, it is wrong!' Guess what, they found the pool of Bethsaida in 1888 when remodeling a house, or something like that.

Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again.

The whole Bible, on the other hand, was fervently copied by Monks in in the middle/dark Ages. One person would be given a verse or chapter. Then, if the verse held up under scrutiny, the page was passed onto another monk, who copied another verse/chapter. If even the slightest thing was wrong, the page of the Bible and all the monks' collective hard work was burned and they had to start again.

Trust me, the Bible is accurate and the real deal. There is less certainty about the writings of shakespheare in comparison to the Bible, and that is only a few hundred years old while the Bible is over a thousand years old. It can also be compared to ancient manuscripts. The Bible is remarkably well preserved over time.


While I do believe the general messages in the bible are true, I can't help but point out that some of the things you said here are slightly, well, wrong. You have to remember that there are many possible reasons for each of the things you mentioned.

"The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days"

While this may sound like the cynics answer you must accept that the bible has been modified over the centuries (which it has undoubtedly been unfortunately) so this is not surprising in the least. The accounts that didn't fit will have either been changed so they all fit together or will simply have been omitted over the years by various men in powerful positions who found such action convenient to their own purposes.

"Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again"

While this is true its actually irrelevant- the translation errors come when you, well, translate it, not when you simply copy the original as in this case. You will find that errors are inevitably made upon translating a text (particularly one as ambiguous as the bible) simply because there aren't always words for something or a way of saying precisely the same thing in the new language. In addition to get a perfect translation you need someone who perfectly understands the message being conveyed- in other words you need someone who understands the bible exactly and knows all the hidden messages and secrets in the words of God so that the messages aren't lost when its written in a different way. In other words they need to know exactly what God thinks, and know the 'true interpretation' if you will. I don't know of anyone who claims to know everything there is to know about the bible, do you? You also need to consider that even a tiny mistranslation can alter the whole meaning of a sentence. (for example, 'he eats, shoots, and leaves' changes meaning completely if you so much as forget the commas to 'he eats shoots and leaves') In a book like the bible there are so many uncertain interpretations to the point that a slight error could easily put people on the wrong track)

See my point?
Posted 1/24/09

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clearwateralchemist wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:


Ratman21 wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth


The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days.

Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies written in the old testament. The chance of one person fullfilling just 8 of the prophesies is 1 out of 10 to the 17th power. Imagine the state of texas filled with silver dollars. You mark one of those silver dollars with a red x and mix all those silver dollars up. And you have one chance to pull the silver dollar with a red x. That's the chances you have for one person fulfilling EIGHT of those prophesies. Now imagine if you would trying to fulfill 108 prophesies. The probability of fulfilling so many is lower than pulling one specific atom in the universe out of all the atoms in the universe.

Next, where the Bible mentions a town, pool, city or major landmark, Archaeologists have located it. One example is the Pool of Bethsaida, where people didn't believe it actually existed and said the Bible was wrong because, 'Ah, the pool doesn't exist, it is wrong!' Guess what, they found the pool of Bethsaida in 1888 when remodeling a house, or something like that.

Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again.

The whole Bible, on the other hand, was fervently copied by Monks in in the middle/dark Ages. One person would be given a verse or chapter. Then, if the verse held up under scrutiny, the page was passed onto another monk, who copied another verse/chapter. If even the slightest thing was wrong, the page of the Bible and all the monks' collective hard work was burned and they had to start again.

Trust me, the Bible is accurate and the real deal. There is less certainty about the writings of shakespheare in comparison to the Bible, and that is only a few hundred years old while the Bible is over a thousand years old. It can also be compared to ancient manuscripts. The Bible is remarkably well preserved over time.


While I do believe the general messages in the bible are true, I can't help but point out that some of the things you said here are slightly, well, wrong. You have to remember that there are many possible reasons for each of the things you mentioned.

"The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days"

While this may sound like the cynics answer you must accept that the bible has been modified over the centuries (which it has undoubtedly been unfortunately) so this is not surprising in the least. The accounts that didn't fit will have either been changed so they all fit together or will simply have been omitted over the years by various men in powerful positions who found such action convenient to their own purposes.

"Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again"

While this is true its actually irrelevant- the translation errors come when you, well, translate it, not when you simply copy the original as in this case. You will find that errors are inevitably made upon translating a text (particularly one as ambiguous as the bible) simply because there aren't always words for something or a way of saying precisely the same thing in the new language. In addition to get a perfect translation you need someone who perfectly understands the message being conveyed- in other words you need someone who understands the bible exactly and knows all the hidden messages and secrets in the words of God so that the messages aren't lost when its written in a different way. In other words they need to know exactly what God thinks, and know the 'true interpretation' if you will. I don't know of anyone who claims to know everything there is to know about the bible, do you? You also need to consider that even a tiny mistranslation can alter the whole meaning of a sentence. (for example, 'he eats, shoots, and leaves' changes meaning completely if you so much as forget the commas to 'he eats shoots and leaves') In a book like the bible there are so many uncertain interpretations to the point that a slight error could easily put people on the wrong track)

See my point?


The only way the Bible has benn "modified" is for easier translations. If you look at the original pages (which we do have) you will be surprised how accurate they are to the bibles we have today
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SaintMacki wrote:


clearwateralchemist wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:


Ratman21 wrote:


Kamahamaha wrote:

the bible that we have now is not the REAL REAL one but its close enough to teach us and to understand his word. But I wonder why god did that. "His plan maybe" but the bible IS trure


What do you mean by the REAL REAL one???


The real bible is lost or gone, the bible that we have is close to it, that all am saying, I just wanted to say that but I know that the word of god is the truth


The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days.

Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies written in the old testament. The chance of one person fullfilling just 8 of the prophesies is 1 out of 10 to the 17th power. Imagine the state of texas filled with silver dollars. You mark one of those silver dollars with a red x and mix all those silver dollars up. And you have one chance to pull the silver dollar with a red x. That's the chances you have for one person fulfilling EIGHT of those prophesies. Now imagine if you would trying to fulfill 108 prophesies. The probability of fulfilling so many is lower than pulling one specific atom in the universe out of all the atoms in the universe.

Next, where the Bible mentions a town, pool, city or major landmark, Archaeologists have located it. One example is the Pool of Bethsaida, where people didn't believe it actually existed and said the Bible was wrong because, 'Ah, the pool doesn't exist, it is wrong!' Guess what, they found the pool of Bethsaida in 1888 when remodeling a house, or something like that.

Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again.

The whole Bible, on the other hand, was fervently copied by Monks in in the middle/dark Ages. One person would be given a verse or chapter. Then, if the verse held up under scrutiny, the page was passed onto another monk, who copied another verse/chapter. If even the slightest thing was wrong, the page of the Bible and all the monks' collective hard work was burned and they had to start again.

Trust me, the Bible is accurate and the real deal. There is less certainty about the writings of shakespheare in comparison to the Bible, and that is only a few hundred years old while the Bible is over a thousand years old. It can also be compared to ancient manuscripts. The Bible is remarkably well preserved over time.


While I do believe the general messages in the bible are true, I can't help but point out that some of the things you said here are slightly, well, wrong. You have to remember that there are many possible reasons for each of the things you mentioned.

"The Bible was written by 33 different authors in all walks of life (happiness, sorrow, angery, etc), over a period of a couple thousand years. All 33 authors tell pretty much the same story. You can't get 4 people who saw a car accident to give such a succent (similar) account in a court of law these days"

While this may sound like the cynics answer you must accept that the bible has been modified over the centuries (which it has undoubtedly been unfortunately) so this is not surprising in the least. The accounts that didn't fit will have either been changed so they all fit together or will simply have been omitted over the years by various men in powerful positions who found such action convenient to their own purposes.

"Now, you might say there were translation errors. That is incorrect. Throughout history, from ancient to modern, The Tora (old testament) has been fervently copied by Jewish scholars. If even the slightest thing is wrong, the text is thrown out and they have to start again"

While this is true its actually irrelevant- the translation errors come when you, well, translate it, not when you simply copy the original as in this case. You will find that errors are inevitably made upon translating a text (particularly one as ambiguous as the bible) simply because there aren't always words for something or a way of saying precisely the same thing in the new language. In addition to get a perfect translation you need someone who perfectly understands the message being conveyed- in other words you need someone who understands the bible exactly and knows all the hidden messages and secrets in the words of God so that the messages aren't lost when its written in a different way. In other words they need to know exactly what God thinks, and know the 'true interpretation' if you will. I don't know of anyone who claims to know everything there is to know about the bible, do you? You also need to consider that even a tiny mistranslation can alter the whole meaning of a sentence. (for example, 'he eats, shoots, and leaves' changes meaning completely if you so much as forget the commas to 'he eats shoots and leaves') In a book like the bible there are so many uncertain interpretations to the point that a slight error could easily put people on the wrong track)

See my point?


The only way the Bible has benn "modified" is for easier translations. If you look at the original pages (which we do have) you will be surprised how accurate they are to the bibles we have today


Unfortunately that isn't true (no matter how much I want to be wrong on this I'm not) There is significant historical evidence that shows that Christianity as a religion was heavily modified by the Romans when it became their state religion. It was made to be much more like the traditional roman system so as to avoid alienating those who still held true to their old belief system. Feel free to look this up, you don't need to take my word for it.
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