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NEWS: Law Journal Article Supports Fansubs
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I guess this was bound to happen sooner or later, since most people prefer watching anime' subbed than dubbed. For me, I suppose this is topic is quite interesting.
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Realize that most of the public do want to watch dub not sub. I'm surprised, I like the sub but most ppl still ask for the dub. Most of the license for anime, outside of Japan is held by America.

What does the American public want ??
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This is rather interesting, because there are so many different arguments for and against Fansubbing and internet distrabution. We really need to consider the fact that most people using this site and other similar sites aren't paying for it, and still think they are supporting the anime business, when the best way to support it would be to buy the anime you liked when it comes out on DVD then the studios can continue making anime we enjoy... Correct? its all give/take
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Realize that most of the public do want to watch dub not sub. I'm surprised, I like the sub but most ppl still ask for the dub. Most of the license for anime, outside of Japan is held by America.

What does the American public want ??


Woah. That is something I didn't consider too much. Maybe I was so caught up with watching SUBs that I forgot about the mainstream and target audience. Well, things are changing now, so let's see what happens.
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ahh too lazy to read..... nyaa~
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sharunu_Shan wrote:

This is rather interesting, because there are so many different arguments for and against Fansubbing and internet distrabution. We really need to consider the fact that most people using this site and other similar sites aren't paying for it, and still think they are supporting the anime business, when the best way to support it would be to buy the anime you liked when it comes out on DVD then the studios can continue making anime we enjoy... Correct? its all give/take


You are correct, young lady. There's no positive recognition nor contribution gained by the anime studios from illegitimate fansubs. And think of it this way; if all anime studios had to do is maintaining minimal animation quality on flash media player, in order to satisfy the current anime fans who would rather watch illegitimate fansubs on website like crunchyroll. Then what's gonna stop them from making animation like Sponge Bob or Fairy Odd Parents, since the animations were all based on flash media.

And what's not to say that's already happened? Just take a look at Detroit Metal City as an example.
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sharunu_Shan wrote:

This is rather interesting, because there are so many different arguments for and against Fansubbing and internet distrabution. We really need to consider the fact that most people using this site and other similar sites aren't paying for it, and still think they are supporting the anime business, when the best way to support it would be to buy the anime you liked when it comes out on DVD then the studios can continue making anime we enjoy... Correct? its all give/take


You are correct, young lady. There's no positive recognition nor contribution gained by the anime studios from illegitimate fansubs. And think of it this way; if all anime studios had to do is maintaining minimal animation quality on flash media player, in order to satisfy the current anime fans who would rather watch illegitimate fansubs on website like crunchyroll. Then what's gonna stop them from making animation like Sponge Bob or Fairy Odd Parents, since the animations were all based on flash media.

And what's not to say that's already happened? Just take a look at Detroit Metal City as an example.


I guess that you answered my questions there.
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I would actually rather watch the quality stuff anyway, most of the time I really am just browsing just with the intent on buying the Manga/Anime, and Some DVDS are coming out not only Dubbed but also Subs as well....
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Well, you seem to know about this subject more than me, so I'll ask some questions.

Considering that the SUB version was the only released as some sort of a universal format (Region ALL, I guess), doesn't that cut on the production cost?
- Add the factors of less cost promotion of crunchyroll

Doesn't this plan seem some what advantageous to the Anime companies?
If not, why so?

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- About the IP addresses. I guess people could use proxy servers if they want it that badly.


It's impossible for anime studios to release region all titles, be it DVD or otherwise, as long as the studios registered as a company within a country. As soon as a Japanese animation studio wanted to release a series outside of Japan territory, the International Copyright Act will take in effect to protect the studio's creative work by requesting a licensing company to handle distribution outside of Japan. This is true for Gonzo, which chartered crunchyroll as a licensing company to distribute its titles over North American region via podcast on a North American bandwidth. Any other form of fansubbing are thereby illegal because they're distributed without Gonzo's intent. And without Gonzo's intent, they cannot claim recognition nor contribution on illegal fansubs. This will put not just Gonzo itself, but all anime studios at a great disadvantage.


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They're talkin' about some serious stuff here..





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Supporting subs.. high five for that..


And thank you for seriously ruining the anime industry by killing its source, the anime studios. Now high five to that, if you dare.
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It's impossible for anime studios to release region all titles, be it DVD or otherwise, as long as the studios registered as a company within a country. As soon as a Japanese animation studio wanted to release a series outside of Japan territory, the International Copyright Act will take in effect to protect the studio's creative work by requesting a licensing company to handle distribution outside of Japan. This is true for Gonzo, which chartered crunchyroll as a licensing company to distribute its titles over North American region via podcast on a North American bandwidth. Any other form of fansubbing are thereby illegal because they're distributed without Gonzo's intent. And without Gonzo's intent, they cannot claim recognition nor contribution on illegal fansubs. This will put not just Gonzo itself, but all anime studios at a great disadvantage.



Well, in your opinion, what actions should Anime companies take to rise revenues?
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aidannwn wrote:

Realize that most of the public do want to watch dub not sub. I'm surprised, I like the sub but most ppl still ask for the dub. Most of the license for anime, outside of Japan is held by America.

What does the American public want ??


Woah. That is something I didn't consider too much. Maybe I was so caught up with watching SUBs that I forgot about the mainstream and target audience. Well, things are changing now, so let's see what happens.


well, we sub-fans might benefit but the licensing companies might also loose a lot of money from that.
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aidannwn wrote:


zendude wrote:


aidannwn wrote:

Realize that most of the public do want to watch dub not sub. I'm surprised, I like the sub but most ppl still ask for the dub. Most of the license for anime, outside of Japan is held by America.

What does the American public want ??


Woah. That is something I didn't consider too much. Maybe I was so caught up with watching SUBs that I forgot about the mainstream and target audience. Well, things are changing now, so let's see what happens.


well, we sub-fans might benefit but the licensing companies might also loose a lot of money from that.


Well, I was thinking about the market potential.
From an article I read, there is a rise in participation of people going to Anime conventions since streaming became more popular. Does this somewhat indicate a gain for the Anime industry?
Posted 10/27/08
lol, americans huh! always something to shout about
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zendude wrote:


Well, in your opinion, what actions should Anime companies take to rise revenues?


Let's take a look at this young lady here as an example:


sharunu_Shan wrote:

I would actually rather watch the quality stuff anyway, most of the time I really am just browsing just with the intent on buying the Manga/Anime, and Some DVDS are coming out not only Dubbed but also Subs as well....


If what she claim is true, then what crunchyroll can become is a North American regional podcast community that specialize in legal anime sample on a flash media quality straight from the Japanese anime studios. This will provide an inexpensive marketing strategy for anime industry and offer an unique chance for the North American audiences and the industry to interact with each other online. However, in order for crunchroll to appeal itself as a potential advertisement strategy to anime industry, it must obey International Copyright Act by not providing a platform for illegitimate fansubs.

Once each region has its own podcast community, the anime studios can then target each region accordingly while still obey the Copyright Act. And once proper communication is established between the audiences and the industry, with positive recognition and contribution, the community can ensure a high quality finished media will be available per regional request. Basically, this means anime series with quality production value just as the costumers ordered.

Fansub groups can choose to act as agents working with either the podcast community or with the anime studios themselves to help with the legalized sub releases. They can have proper recognition by actually contributing the anime industry. But the general audiences must understand that licensing doesn't automatically means dubbing, and fansubbing doesn't help anime studios, the backbone of anime industry, to survive.
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DomFortress wrote:


zendude wrote:


Well, in your opinion, what actions should Anime companies take to rise revenues?


Let's take a look at this young lady here as an example:


sharunu_Shan wrote:

I would actually rather watch the quality stuff anyway, most of the time I really am just browsing just with the intent on buying the Manga/Anime, and Some DVDS are coming out not only Dubbed but also Subs as well....


If what she claim is true, then what crunchyroll can become is a North American regional podcast community that specialize in legal anime sample on a flash media quality straight from the Japanese anime studios. This will provide an inexpensive marketing strategy for anime industry and offer an unique chance for the North American audiences and the industry to interact with each other online. However, in order for crunchroll to appeal itself as a potential advertisement strategy to anime industry, it must obey International Copyright Act by not providing a platform for illegitimate fansubs.

Once each region has its own podcast community, the anime studios can then target each region accordingly while still obey the Copyright Act. And once proper communication is established between the audiences and the industry, with positive recognition and contribution, the community can ensure a high quality finished media will be available per regional request. Basically, this means anime series with quality production value just as the costumers ordered.

Fansub groups can choose to act as agents working with either the podcast community or with the anime studios themselves to help with the legalized sub releases. They can have proper recognition by actually contributing the anime industry. But the general audiences must understand that licensing doesn't automatically means dubbing, and fansubbing doesn't help anime studios, the backbone of anime industry, to survive.


Looking at this at another angle, this kind of illegal/legal middle ground that crunchyroll has might be that push that the Anime industry needs, like the example of Napster and down loadable music. In some way, crunchyroll is starting compromise and cleaning up it's act, though it is still a stretch from your description.

I am aware of pay per view sites for Anime, but looking at the numbers there, it is a dwarf to the potential that crunchyroll is presenting. Using evolution as a model, some sort of process in the middle needs to happen in order for Anime to gain the monetary that it wants; this goes back to my first statement. Sure the Anime industry is down, but I have some (I said "some") faith with what is happening right now.

Notes:
- It is sort of funny how the Toei Anime here has American commercials. So how much is Toei actually getting from this deal?
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