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Gundam Seed Is One Of The Best Mecha Series
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flamer4ever wrote:

lol i dont care about all of that, actually i already know about it, but who cares? we are talking here about whos the "BEST" not whos more original (or who did copy the other) and surely the oldest will be more original u know...


having over 80% of material taken from the older series does not make SEED/DESTINY the B3$T!!!
i doubt u actually know anything about the UC timeline ...

I dare say DESTINY is considered to be the WORST Gundam series in the ENTIRE gundam franchise, but SEED was moderate.

the best would be Original, Zeta, Victory and Turn A, fuck even the ppl in japan would probably agree with this (it funny how ALL of them are from the guy who created GUNDAM).

why do u think bandai still makes fuck load of models from the UC timeline?? plus even though ppl in japan doesnt know much about the UC timeline of Gundam, they STILL know who's Char Aznble is. That just proves UC timeline is considered BETTER than the crappy CE timeline can ever be


well if u say 80% of the material been taken, (which is definately wrong) and been combined into one series, doesnt it means that its the best?

and destiny wasnt the worst at all, i DARE TO SAY that After War Gundam X is the worst gundam ever been made, i was thinking to stop watching it from the first episodes -.-'' (at plus, destiny became really good at the later episodes)

i dont care what bandai thinks about, and not even what ppl in japan would say, and rather than checking what one country says, check what the whole world says, go to any global popular site like http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ and see for urself which one is better

Posted 11/10/08
I think it's so-so...Not really good, but then it's not really bad either
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flamer4ever wrote:


lol i dont care about all of that, actually i already know about it, but who cares? we are talking here about whos the "BEST" not whos more original (or who did copy the other) and surely the oldest will be more original u know...


lol... Okay, let's examine the combat capabilities of the grunts,ace pilots and their mobile suit of both UC and CE gundam universes

Cosmic Era Gundam
- SEED's grunts rarely or better yet, never dodged an attack whether it is a naturals or coordinators. They just stand there and die...
- SEED's grunts and ace pilots rarely uses tactics... Coordinators are supposibly smart, can't they think of a way to beat a gundam without resorting any kamikaze attacks?
- Kira Yamato relies too much on the gundam... I never see him using a generic mobile suit.
- SEED's nuclear powered gundam is highly unstable... Destroy the neutron jammer canceller, gundam is power down.
- SEED has almost unlimited ammo...They just keep beam and missile spamming almost without an end.

UC Gundam
- Watch the old UC gundam and some gundam evolve episodes and you can see clearly that UC grunts dodged an actual attack.
- UC grunts and ace pilots use tactics and teamwork to bring down a stronger foe.
- Amuro Ray and Char Aznable doesn't put too much faith on gundams. They rely on years of skill and experience that they gain in the battlefield.
- UC grunts can seriously damage a gundam.
- UC grunt and ace pilot doesn't hesitate in battle.
- Most UC ace pilots doesn't need a gundam to become a badass pilot.

You do realized SEED's technological advancement is equal to 160 years worth of UC technology and if you give both of them the same MS from another gundam universe, surely that Amuro pwn Kira with only wit and skills alone.
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Hello people, I guess it's time that I throw myself into this fight. Flamerforever was it? You show no respect for the great pieces of Gundam laid down before you. Your little mind can on encode the more recent uber flashly and posy Gundam titles. You even flamed my beloved Gundam X, how dare you. It contained some of the most wonderful and creative gundam and moble suit designs ever. Not to mention it was created to expose and teach viewers about NEWTYPES.

Seed was good, but pirated most of the storyline from previous Gundam titles. I know it's hard to be totally original these days, but praising it as the best ever Gundam is pushing it.

Have you stopped to see the UC timeline? The grunts are mobile that means they can dodge and even hurt the Gundam. They also didn’t have fancy digital colouring like in SEED, they had cell colouring and people still loved it. Gundam sell had lots of interesting things but all I found in the end was just poses. After every beam rifle shot, beam saber swipe, every ill the Gundam would always pose and show us his looks. In war do you have time to pose? Last time I checked even if you have hack skills like Kira you don’t have time to pose.
The beautiful stick men that pilot those Gundams, they are too frail to stand up against G forces. Stock footage is a director’s lifeline. If you really are as rich as Gundam seed you don’t need to show ORBS FATHER dying forthy times in a series. Also using stock footage for your final battles now?
That’s what make a good series right?
Bandai makes new models of older mobile suits because fans love those suits. That shows that demand is high for them it’s a fact all around the world. That’s why the original Gundam has been remade more than 10 times, and the Zaku is remade like 40 + with all their different packs and custom versions.

Fanservice ?? theres plenty… No problem with at but have you noticed that every time that the Archangel get roughed up a bit and shakes the Captains boobs giggle with a zoom in. Also miniskirts ? Yes do military allow one girl (Luna) have a miniskirt on?

Gundam seed was an attempt to RETELL the original story or GUNDAM to new generation of fans. They succeeded in that respect.

In the end Seed and destiny are just [email protected] because it has used storyline, pretty digital colouring, dumb grunts and aces (coordinators) in bots, to much posing after kills and shots, stickmen that, and finally a main character with hack Jesus/ Mosses/ Buddha powers that cant die in any situation and can survive multiple explosions (Jesus KIRA?????).



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Posted 11/11/08
never watched it..
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after seeing 00 i was turned off by the animation. i like the plotline and the mobile suits.
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gundam series
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I voted for 'It good' [is that rather 'it's good'?..] Actually, I really like it and I was about to click on to the first choice but I just had to elude the word attached to the 'YES'. Haha.. A very dumb head of me, just about that. But sorry, I really don't like the word. I mean, THAT MUCH to this point.
On the Gundam topic, Gundam Seed is my fave mech anime and my fave among the gundam series line. [P.S. I love Cagalli so much!]
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seed's just average for me, destiny?? don't ask.. though both of the series relied too much on (super powerful)gundams and grunts can never seem to hit main characters, correct me if i'm wrong.. so the battle mostly fought by ace vs. ace..


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flamer4ever wrote:


lol i dont care about all of that, actually i already know about it, but who cares? we are talking here about whos the "BEST" not whos more original (or who did copy the other) and surely the oldest will be more original u know...


lol... Okay, let's examine the combat capabilities of the grunts,ace pilots and their mobile suit of both UC and CE gundam universes

Cosmic Era Gundam
- SEED's grunts rarely or better yet, never dodged an attack whether it is a naturals or coordinators. They just stand there and die...
- SEED's grunts and ace pilots rarely uses tactics... Coordinators are supposibly smart, can't they think of a way to beat a gundam without resorting any kamikaze attacks?
- Kira Yamato relies too much on the gundam... I never see him using a generic mobile suit.
- SEED's nuclear powered gundam is highly unstable... Destroy the neutron jammer canceller, gundam is power down.
- SEED has almost unlimited ammo...They just keep beam and missile spamming almost without an end.

UC Gundam
- Watch the old UC gundam and some gundam evolve episodes and you can see clearly that UC grunts dodged an actual attack.
- UC grunts and ace pilots use tactics and teamwork to bring down a stronger foe.
- Amuro Ray and Char Aznable doesn't put too much faith on gundams. They rely on years of skill and experience that they gain in the battlefield.
- UC grunts can seriously damage a gundam.
- UC grunt and ace pilot doesn't hesitate in battle.
- Most UC ace pilots doesn't need a gundam to become a badass pilot.

You do realized SEED's technological advancement is equal to 160 years worth of UC technology and if you give both of them the same MS from another gundam universe, surely that Amuro pwn Kira with only wit and skills alone.


yeah, i agree with this.. although i watched seed/destiny first, i really find uc series plot more appealing esp. zeta.. only downside would be it's animation, can't help it though. that series was made years ago. remake it's animation up to date like 00 series and it will so freakin' awesome.

-Char/Quattro: I'll prove to you that mobile suits has limitation too...... w00t!!
-Setsuna: I am Gundam! You're not Gundam,idiot!
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Maou068 wrote:
GUNDAM FIGHT


GUNDAM WAR



I agree with flamer4 and the Maou

this is from my experience from watching gundam to the first to 00.


Old Gundam Lovers Flaws in New Series :

- The thing you guys are missing is that your saying seed and the new series have bad effects but the fighting is more advanced than the other series, newer suit, armors and weapons. Pretty digital coloring ?
it suppose to be like that they animation changes over the years.

- Seed is about the story not only about the battles all you guys are thinking about the battle, seed mode, coordinators but your not looking what the message is in the series. The story is the foundation of SEED.

- Your saying Coordinators are stupid but it reflects the world today in their way. Discrimination, Prejudice, Bias Point of Views, and Segregation. That means you think our world is stupid and the reason people around the world fight against these things is stupid. YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IT COPYS BUT IT'S NOT IT'S GOING DEEPER THAN THE OTHER SERIES, CONTINUING IT. Just like the Newtypes and the ordinary people it's the same as coordinators and natural. Didn't NEWTYPES HAVE POWERS TOO?

- The reasons for the similarity to old ones is to continue it and digging deeper, if it's alike how can you not respect it's not exactly the same it's retelling it in it's own way.

- OK THIS IS A MISTAKE FROM THE OLDER GUYS YOU CLEARLY HAVEN"T UNDERSTOOD THE SERIES YOU GUYS SADI"Coordinators are supposibly smart, can't they think of a way to beat a gundam without resorting any kamikaze attacks?" If you watched it Kira told Cagalli let me Cap this
"THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL OR COORDINATORS IT'S TRUE THAT THEY DON'T CATCH DEADLY DISEASE BUT WE NEED TO TRAIN, PRACTICE AND HONE OUR SKILLS, JUST AS NATURALS TO BE AS GOOD AS WE ARE"
The reason they were more advance b/c they had better technology have you seen their suits compared to the Earth Alliance the Justice, Freedom, Destiny and Neutron Jammer Cancellors ?

New Gundam Lovers Flaws in Old Series :

- It's true that most people in the new series Should have died and some how they miraculously survived after being blown up a thousand times and unscathed like Kira.

- the old ones are more original and realistic.

- Destiny was Crap it was EXACTLY THE SAME AS SEED as an all around gundam lover that ruined SEED don't even talk about it.

- Too much super weapons and fake grunts too, the battles in the older ones were more meaningful also there were alot more deaths in battles not only on the bad guys side which made it more emotional all together.

- alot of girls wearing skirts in military, alot of the female characters were a joke?

- All the suits u know now come from all the older series without you wouldn't have your Freedom, Justice or Exia.


THAT"S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW SINCE I'm TIRED XD
QUOTE ME TO CONTINUE IT


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blah, nothing much bout it.
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I don't know....
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Domom Kasshu: GUNDAM FIGHTO READEE GOOOOO!!!!


1234567890qaz wrote:
- The thing you guys are missing is that your saying seed and the new series have bad effects but the fighting is more advanced than the other series, newer suit, armors and weapons. Pretty digital coloring ?
it suppose to be like that they animation changes over the years.


No1 was talking dissing any other series EXCEPT SEED. No matter what angle you look at it, its only flashy battle scenes done with current technological graphic. Dont even compare it to Mobile Suit Gundam 00, they may have flashy battle scenes, but their battles are also strategic (which SEED freaking LACKS). Seroiusly who the f**k poses during freaking battle?!?!?! *cough* Kira *cough*


1234567890qaz wrote:
- Seed is about the story not only about the battles all you guys are thinking about the battle, seed mode, coordinators but your not looking what the message is in the series. The story is the foundation of SEED.


Hate to admit, but I do agree with you on this point. Although I've seen better storyplot done in Universal Century.


1234567890qaz wrote:
- Your saying Coordinators are stupid but it reflects the world today in their way. Discrimination, Prejudice, Bias Point of Views, and Segregation. That means you think our world is stupid and the reason people around the world fight against these things is stupid. YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IT COPYS BUT IT'S NOT IT'S GOING DEEPER THAN THE OTHER SERIES, CONTINUING IT. Just like the Newtypes and the ordinary people it's the same as coordinators and natural. Didn't NEWTYPES HAVE POWERS TOO?


Its not like Universal Century havent done already. Fuck that was one of the key points of UC timeline also ...
I find the idea of Coordinators to be quite good. Aside from the main MAIN Coordinators, most of them suck HARD.

*Up comes the Freedom
Kira: aimbot systems activate. FIRE!
*Burst of engergies slices through the air
ZAFT pilots: Woooo pretty!
*Boom goes the ZAFT pilots


1234567890qaz wrote:
- The reasons for the similarity to old ones is to continue it and digging deeper, if it's alike how can you not respect it's not exactly the same it's retelling it in it's own way.


Originally many UC fans like me respected the series for having HOMEAGE to UC timeline. Afterwards it didnt really go any deeper other than taking numerous elements from the older series.


1234567890qaz wrote:
- OK THIS IS A MISTAKE FROM THE OLDER GUYS YOU CLEARLY HAVEN"T UNDERSTOOD THE SERIES YOU GUYS SADI"Coordinators are supposibly smart, can't they think of a way to beat a gundam without resorting any kamikaze attacks?" If you watched it Kira told Cagalli let me Cap this
"THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL OR COORDINATORS IT'S TRUE THAT THEY DON'T CATCH DEADLY DISEASE BUT WE NEED TO TRAIN, PRACTICE AND HONE OUR SKILLS, JUST AS NATURALS TO BE AS GOOD AS WE ARE"
The reason they were more advance b/c they had better technology have you seen their suits compared to the Earth Alliance the Justice, Freedom, Destiny and Neutron Jammer Cancellors ?


I think YOUR the one who havent clearly understood the series! So being Genetically more ADVANCE compare to a Earthling means nothing to you ?


1234567890qaz wrote:
- the old ones are more original and realistic.


Well arent you Miss Obvious. Its okay to copy some material and modified it bit, but they still had to make it UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAY (which SEED was doing at first, however failed at doing it half way).


1234567890qaz wrote:
- Destiny was Crap it was EXACTLY THE SAME AS SEED as an all around gundam lover that ruined SEED don't even talk about it.


Destiny was indeed crap, on the other hand its still created by the SAME creator. Whether you like it or not, its STILL considered to be SEED's sequel.


1234567890qaz wrote:
- Too much super weapons and fake grunts too, the battles in the older ones were more meaningful also there were alot more deaths in battles not only on the bad guys side which made it more emotional all together.


Wait... Wha ??? Are you also implying the older series' grunts having the same skill as those retarded grunts in Cosmic Era as well?


1234567890qaz wrote:
- alot of girls wearing skirts in military, alot of the female characters were a joke?


Fanservice much? There's a reason why Gundam is considered REAL robot (G. Gundam is a exception). Regardless of how much of a joke it is, they still have to follow the basic military rules.


1234567890qaz wrote:
- All the suits u know now come from all the older series without you wouldn't have your Freedom, Justice or Exia.


and so your point is???



Posted 11/26/08
DUDE someone backed me up yay. Lets not stray from the point here people.
1) Seed was good till you got plot Hacks and aim bots
2) Kira never ran out of ammo after the Freedom showed up
3) Can he ever die???
4) Sadly to say the director was a super-robot director in the past
5)Plot was taken and used fairly well
6) Overuse of social outtakes to justify discrimination
7) UC is the father of Gundam timelines, and will always be!
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