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Posted 4/24/07
well no it isnt, see the point of mcdonalds is, people are worried about smoking killing you, well the fact is the convenience of mcdonalds has made the us the Fattest country in the world, where obesity is a major problem. see that was the main point to that, caffenine is bad for the liver and body, yet people are key word here addicted to caffenine, yet no one runs out says to the person you have a problem. starbucks poses another problem because of all the garbage it makes. im not sitting here saying the i should be allowed to smoke where ever the hell i please, that is not right i totally agree that, it not the answer. but me smoking in my car, at my house, on my porch, at a restaurant where there is a specific area that has been designated for smoking, is an infringement on peoples rights. see its a double edged sword, because letting me smoke infringes on the rights of a non-smoker in areas, but the saying i cant smoke is an infringement on my rights. the goal here is to find a common ground, and realize that saying stuff like you shouldnt smoke anyways, or smoking is bad so ban it, is not an actual solution, its an opinion which is biased and could not work.
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Posted 4/24/07

SeraphAlford wrote:


slowdanse wrote:

i guess to back up smokers' rights--of course everyone has been talking about how each individual smoker themselves should do it in the privacy of their own home, but a lot of those people have children of their own. they don't want to jeopardize their own children's lives because of second hand smoke nor give a bad influence. smokers usually know that they shouldn't be smoking... and a lot of them actually want to or have tried to quit. it gets hard because it's an addiction. i'm not saying they think smoking around OTHER children is alright, but if you ask a smoker to stop smoking because it bothers you... 75% of the time, they are considerate enough to account for others' preference. on the other hand, there are many rude smokers as well who don't give a rat's ass about who they're killing. i don't think it's right to group all smokers into one category of being inconsiderate selfish pricks because that's not the majority. i'm not a smoker myself, but i do sympathize with their needs to de-stress and addictive habits.



Right. So they should come out in public and jeopardize my children?!
Also..it's stupid to bann Mcdonalds...


no they should have the right just as your children and you, and banning mcdonalds read my other post. dont you get it, its called obesity, something that has been directly after your "children" and to which there are no bans or thinking of banning on.
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While I don't think they should entirely ban smoking in public (basically anywhere outdoors), I do support the ban in pubs. Scotland's pubs are smoke-free so I've never really thought about it, but after going to the pub in London - it's really unpleasant to be crowded into a tiny place with lots of people smoking and almost no ability to get fresh air.

Smoking on the streets should still be alright, but maybe have a certain radius away from places like bus stops, etc. Or at least some more responsibility to pick up butts. Improved cigarette technology, ie better filters might make second hand smoke less potent or aggravating to non-smokers.

Regarding McDonalds, you can't really blame that for an obesity problem. Eating McDonalds food in moderation is no better or worse for you than buying that bag of chips down at Iceland's and frying it up in your own home. As with any other food it's about moderation and it's your fault not the restaurants if you can't practice that.
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I heard the French outlawed smoking all together. =x
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Posted 4/24/07

voxsilenti wrote:

While I don't think they should entirely ban smoking in public (basically anywhere outdoors), I do support the ban in pubs. Scotland's pubs are smoke-free so I've never really thought about it, but after going to the pub in London - it's really unpleasant to be crowded into a tiny place with lots of people smoking and almost no ability to get fresh air.

Smoking on the streets should still be alright, but maybe have a certain radius away from places like bus stops, etc. Or at least some more responsibility to pick up butts. Improved cigarette technology, ie better filters might make second hand smoke less potent or aggravating to non-smokers.

Regarding McDonalds, you can't really blame that for an obesity problem. Eating McDonalds food in moderation is no better or worse for you than buying that bag of chips down at Iceland's and frying it up in your own home. As with any other food it's about moderation and it's your fault not the restaurants if you can't practice that.


To me I think they should IMPROVE McDonald's foods. The food has this kind of taste (to me), that's just not a 'finishing' taste. I mean... it makes you want more because.. you feel like you're not 'finished'. I dunno.. It's what I guess... Also Smoking in public should be banned.
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Posted 4/24/07
I will support smoking in public if they join with me in opposing that silly "no drinking in public" law. I mean c'mon, what goes better with a cigarette in the park than your non-smoking friend (me) chilling with a forty?
Posted 4/24/07
it is stupid to ban something people will do illegally if they cant legally.banning it completely would put more money into organized crime since they would not only have the drug trade but also the ciggy trade.it would be just like prohibiton only more violent and the mafia with ever more power.they need to legalize things like drugs and have centers to smoke ciggys and drugs so people dont hurt others
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what does it matter. it keeps the smokers living longer since they cant smoke in a banned area
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Posted 4/24/07

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I understand the hazards of smoking and second hand smoke. But a public smoking ban in parks, streets, and OUTSIDE at restaurants is just little bit excessive. Whatever happened to a person's right to choose what he/she does.


In The United States of America, it is said your rights end where someone else's begins, you have a limit to your freedom, for example you cannot hurt another person because you're violating their rights, so that would be where your freedom/rights end and the other persons begins, so lets say you have the right to smoke, however by you smoking you harm others with second hand smoke, so that would also be where your freedom/rights end and the other persons begins. So this is why I support banning smoking in public where others can be harmed. Remember this in only my OPINION
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Posted 4/24/07
dont ban.. just increase the price until the price reaches the same price as mercedes benz .. then they'll go on strike.. but hey..you can still smoke
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Well in my city there is no smoking in public buildings. This includes Bars, Restraunts, Hotel rooms, everything except homes. You have to smoke on the street, in summer time no biggy its nice out. Winter on the other hand people will freeze.
I don't smoke but I am against the ban of it. My mother smoked when I was young and still does today I grew up with "harmful" second hand smoke and there is nothing wrong with me. There is no Concrete evidence that 2nd hand smoke is dangerouse. Are any of you scientists? If not your good sources of information for harmful effects of 2nd hand smoke. (I stole that from "Thank you for Smoking")
I don't see why they just dont put a thing of glass between smoking sections and non-smoking sections instead of banning it altogether.
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Posted 4/24/07

a1q2s3 wrote:


stryfe604 wrote:

I understand the hazards of smoking and second hand smoke. But a public smoking ban in parks, streets, and OUTSIDE at restaurants is just little bit excessive. Whatever happened to a person's right to choose what he/she does.


In The United States of America, it is said your rights end where someone else's begins, you have a limit to your freedom, for example you cannot hurt another person because you're violating their rights, so that would be where your freedom/rights end and the other persons begins, so lets say you have the right to smoke, however by you smoking you harm others with second hand smoke, so that would also be where your freedom/rights end and the other persons begins. So this is why I support banning smoking in public where others can be harmed. Remember this in only my OPINION


yes, but you have the right to go punch people in the face, it is apart of freedom. the consequences ensue afterwards. but the right to do it is still there. it is no different
Posted 4/24/07
Well, unless there's a strong wind, if you're smoking outside, the smoke doesn't just instantly disappear (though it is better than inside) so I can see where the no smoking outside at restaurants come from. One would think that some people would have the courtesy not to smoke in parks, because others often go to parks to breathe in some fresh air. Streets, whatever, it's fine with me. I think that these bans wouldn't be placed if more people had some consideration for the whiny people in the world, because if there are enough whiny people whining hard enough, something will happen. But I don't think that cigarettes will ever get banned straight out in the USA as long as the tobacco lobby is as strong as it is.
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One would think that some people would have the courtesy not to smoke in parks, because others often go to parks to breathe in some fresh air.


Are you kidding you live in the city. A park isn't going to make the air fresher its more of a treat for the eyes. If you want fresh air move to a farm or small town.
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^ LoL nice on Acer, right on the ball, parks are not meant to clean air, they are meant as eye candy. If you really have a problem with you wanting fresh air, get rid of cars. And look into global warming, smoking in public areas is not a cause.
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