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Oh my God...I would personally consider it a travesty if Shakespeare was to be taken out of high school. There's no fear of it being taken out of university level as long as there are english majors (like me) out there. Shakespeare should definiately be taught to high school students if only to demonstrate the use of language. His diction is flawless. Reading his work and having to puzzle through the imagry and allusion present in his writing is essential to learning the foundations of modern literature. Taking him out of the curriculum is just another way for the school system to further cripple our children. It's bad enough that most high schools' exit exams only amount to eighth grade equivalency as it is.

As for kawaiichan's comment about reading to kill a mockingbird as a means of learning about race relations...I suggest you read Othello which is about interracial marriage and the hardships that those couples face. It also deals with the centrals themes of trust and betrayal...not to mention a fair share of karmic values thrown in for good measure.

Ktito, your comments on Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet, and Hamlet I just don't get. If Romeo and Juliet was so damn boring then why do people keep remaking it...westside story, titanic, and just about any love story has element borrowed from R&J. Macbeth, a cautionary tale about the dangers of ambition and pride...it's an important piece to study because it draws upon the Greek theatrical tradition of hubristic tradegy. And Hamlet?!?!? How can you not see that as a great work of literature...did you like the Lion King...it's basically the same story just dumbed down for kids and given a happy ending. That is a freakin' masterpiece. By the way, your argument of studying other works by Shakespeare...while I would have loved reading his collection of sonnets, when I went to high school poetry was absolutely not taught because "it doesn't interest students."

And I'm sorry, but cliche? How so? Romeo and Juliet only seems cliche because it's the archetype for all other mordern love stories...translation: everyone copies it. Honestly, how many people out there really know that R&J was loosley based on Pyramis and Thisbe? Not too many I'm sure, but that fact that Shakespeare retold an old myth with his own twist in order to truly capture what it is to love someone beyond yourself...classic. And how is Macbeth cliche? Or Hamlet for that matter. And please, show me one other piece of literature that's remotely similar to A Midsummer Night's Dream. Things only seem cliche in retrospect...and if you look back far enough you'll find the Bard's work is the source material for a lot of today's fiction.

Honestly, the only problem that I have with teaching Shakespeare is that for the most part no one knows how to teach it. Plays are not meant to be read like fiction. They are meant to be spoken, acted, lived. But I think I may have ranted enough for now.
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It's good to have a little bit of Shakespeare in the schools but not to the extent that they have it here. We had to do a Shakespere play for every grade in high school. I think that it should be restricted to one play only, not one play each year. They should use some of the plays of the playwrights that exist today. At least then the students would understand what the characters are actually saying...
Posted 4/24/07
WOOOOOOHOOOOOO finally that son of a bitch is gone
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Ktito, your comments on Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet, and Hamlet I just don't get. If Romeo and Juliet was so damn boring then why do people keep remaking it...westside story, titanic, and just about any love story has element borrowed from R&J. Macbeth, a cautionary tale about the dangers of ambition and pride...it's an important piece to study because it draws upon the Greek theatrical tradition of hubristic tradegy. And Hamlet?!?!? How can you not see that as a great work of literature...did you like the Lion King...it's basically the same story just dumbed down for kids and given a happy ending. That is a freakin' masterpiece. By the way, your argument of studying other works by Shakespeare...while I would have loved reading his collection of sonnets, when I went to high school poetry was absolutely not taught because "it doesn't interest students."


I don't think that you thouroughly read my post. I clearly stated that in my opinion those works were boring and that schools could use different literary works to teach students about whatever the hell those plays teach. If I sounded factual, then excuse my bluntness. The only reason why I stated my opinion like that was because I didn't learn anything from Shakespeare or his writings yet, neither academically or on a personal level.
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In my personal opinion there is no point studying shakespeare if you don't actually go and watch the plays being performed. Remember, they are plays. Not books. They wern't really meant to be read, they were written to be performed.
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You guys only had to read 3 Shakepear stories? Oh man I had to read 5: Romeo Juilet, Macbeth, Ceaser, Hamlet and A midsummers night dream. But you aren't reading to learn really. Don't you just summerize the Acts and Scenes? We also did Chaucer but that was for the origin of modern laungage.

If you have to read something you might as well make it a highclass play. Right?

Edit: By the way I would rather read a shakespear play then have to read Catcher in the Rye again. It was the most painfully boring book I ever read. I told my teacher and he even agreed that it was a waste of time but part of the curriculum.
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I think shakespeare is overrated, I admit, but I think his works should be covered in class. If not his works, at least broaden the horizon with other olde english novels. It bothers me that teachers are sometimes limited to his works. There is more out there. I don't think it is fair to stop studying works based on a personal opinion on some of the plays. In high school half of the class doesn't read it anyway. Olde english should still be in the class as well as many other thought provoking works. (1984, Slaughterhouse 5, Sons and Lovers, All Quiet on the Western Front)

Also I think you many underestimate the challenge of teching a book in class. The teacher must write countless papers and go through many board meetings to prove the book is worthy. It's certainly something that takes time and with all the space Shakespeare takes up... he's not going anywhere for a while.

As for Romeo and Juliet, I don't hate it because it was cliche. I can see where others can see it that way. I dislike it beacause I do not believe they were in love. It was too teenage melodrama for me.
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The only thing I liked about Shakespeare was his sonnets.
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really?? i just read ROMEO & JULIET in my english class today
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no its only the beginning

theres more books from shakespare

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^^ mee too. im on act III O_O i hate reading it though cos i have NO IDEA what the hell they're talking about >.> thou, thy, thee, etc.... i like the movie though.
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i find your posts extremely annoying.

1) you never post anything worth posting
2) you seem to post just accumulate more cr points.
3) dont double post.
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granted not all of his works are very oringinal but he is still brilliant an and was an anacranism for his time. the subplots and pokes at society are well complex. take merch. of venis. what is he trying to say about jews in it. i really dont feel like going on about this right now.
ps. my favorite line from r & j was " oh happy dagger i am thy sheath!" then juliet dies....i laughed at that in school and in the theater.
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I just read The Tragedy of Julius Caesar this year. Did I understand the play without using sparknotes.com? Hell no, but I do enjoy some of his stories, when someone describes them to me in present day English.

Now I'm hearing people say that Shakespeare never existed. They say that it was someone else using "William Shakespeare" as their pen-name.
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Posted 4/24/07
Any Hamlet fans in the house? I adapted it with puppets for my final 16mm project. I edited it for time and changed the ending a bit (added more fire) but I found my spoon fed education slightly useful. The Bard's sonnets have helped more people get laid than the afro in the 70's.
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