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The Anime Fansub Groups, Stealing From Anime Studio One Episode At A Time
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DemonWithin912 wrote:

Holy CARP

YTF in the forums.

/I'll edit when I read this.


you're like the 5th person to say that.....


It is because we care for you.

Yes I believe Fan-Subbing is taking away money from the industry.

I have talk/chat to many people who rather download an Anime and put it on a DVD/CDR/External then actually purchasing the item in question.

I also know of sites that have full quality dvds with custom typesets.

I believe people should support the industry :/
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thanks for telling me
I can't believe they did that
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It is because we care for you.



people usually do is. "oh its YTF....................................................." now who really does care for me?
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Erehe wrote:

Seriously, I don't think so, Since most anime that gets subbed these days are anime that are showing in Japan, and most of the people who download it are merely Gaijins who just want to watch the anime episode that's subbed, That's no different from watching it in Japan except for watching it late, If the fansubbing industry is killing an industry that is associated to anime, It would be the anime dubbing industry(which is quite evident after what happened to Geneon USA)


If you download anime, you have (the potential) to keep it forever, which will indefinitely affect DVD sales, unlike watching it one-time-only on TV. As for the dubbing industry, the creators still get money so thats not really a problem.


Same goes with Crunchyroll,Veoh and Anitube and what they have to offer, and btw:


indefinitely affect DVD sales

Seeing many gaijins ordering the Strike Witches DVD Box set even if it's expensive, I doubt it holds water(and yes, Majority of those who ordered has the series saved in their PCs)

To make things easier to understand, These damages to the anime industry you point out only affects those outside Japan, Theirs a reason why anime is not simultaneously shown in Japan and out, and that's because their priority is Japan, not us.
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Erehe wrote:


Furlong wrote:


Erehe wrote:

Seriously, I don't think so, Since most anime that gets subbed these days are anime that are showing in Japan, and most of the people who download it are merely Gaijins who just want to watch the anime episode that's subbed, That's no different from watching it in Japan except for watching it late, If the fansubbing industry is killing an industry that is associated to anime, It would be the anime dubbing industry(which is quite evident after what happened to Geneon USA)


If you download anime, you have (the potential) to keep it forever, which will indefinitely affect DVD sales, unlike watching it one-time-only on TV. As for the dubbing industry, the creators still get money so thats not really a problem.


Same goes with Crunchyroll,Veoh and Anitube and what they have to offer, and btw:


indefinitely affect DVD sales

Seeing many gaijins ordering the Strike Witches DVD Box set even if it's expensive, I doubt it holds water(and yes, Majority of those who ordered has the series saved in their PCs)

To make things easier to understand, These damages to the anime industry you point out only affects those outside Japan, Theirs a reason why anime is not simultaneously shown in Japan and out, and that's because their priority is Japan, not us.


This is actually needs more speculation, meaning numbers and statics, proof. I do remember posting something here on Strike Witches and sales, but I doubt that the number of import buyers are significant, yet.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-12/strike-witches-dvd-volume-1-sells-11000-copies
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Although you have a point, you're still barking at the wrong tree. People who actually care about what you're saying wouldn't be here in the first place. Gonzo's methods only serve to circumvent the situation and thus keep their losses to a minimum. Same goes for the the recent companies who're joining the fray.
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In my opinion, fansubbers arent stealing, its more like bringing content we might not even see from japan into other countries. If the anime gets dubbed here in america, do i buy the anime dvds? yea!
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zendude wrote:


This is actually needs more speculation, meaning numbers and statics, proof. I do remember posting something here on Strike Witches and sales, but I doubt that the number of import buyers are significant, yet.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-12/strike-witches-dvd-volume-1-sells-11000-copies


*looks at statistic*

Now I believe that if you put anime into the mainstream then it would sell well.

Though, many things related to the anime can either reduce/improve the sale, even if it is in the mainstream.

For Gonzo to put their anime on Youtube and Crunchyroll, it could help sale in America a whole lot more as well.


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that was a long read that i didnt intend to do..thanks to my lazyness i didnt!
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zendude wrote:


Erehe wrote:


Furlong wrote:


Erehe wrote:

Seriously, I don't think so, Since most anime that gets subbed these days are anime that are showing in Japan, and most of the people who download it are merely Gaijins who just want to watch the anime episode that's subbed, That's no different from watching it in Japan except for watching it late, If the fansubbing industry is killing an industry that is associated to anime, It would be the anime dubbing industry(which is quite evident after what happened to Geneon USA)


If you download anime, you have (the potential) to keep it forever, which will indefinitely affect DVD sales, unlike watching it one-time-only on TV. As for the dubbing industry, the creators still get money so thats not really a problem.


Same goes with Crunchyroll,Veoh and Anitube and what they have to offer, and btw:


indefinitely affect DVD sales

Seeing many gaijins ordering the Strike Witches DVD Box set even if it's expensive, I doubt it holds water(and yes, Majority of those who ordered has the series saved in their PCs)

To make things easier to understand, These damages to the anime industry you point out only affects those outside Japan, Theirs a reason why anime is not simultaneously shown in Japan and out, and that's because their priority is Japan, not us.


This is actually needs more speculation, meaning numbers and statics, proof. I do remember posting something here on Strike Witches and sales, but I doubt that the number of import buyers are significant, yet.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-12/strike-witches-dvd-volume-1-sells-11000-copies


Seeing that SW season 1 DVD boxes are on hold for Gaijins, The orders are there, but the delivery is yet to come.
Posted 11/2/08

gondola_wuv wrote:

Although you have a point, you're still barking at the wrong tree. People who actually care about what you're saying wouldn't be here in the first place. Gonzo's methods only serve to circumvent the situation and thus keep their losses to a minimum.


If I only want to be with people like myself, then no, I wouldn't be here. But that's not why I'm here for. I'm here to support the anime subculture that I feel passionate about, and that's to tell it as it is.

If my passion can generate even one good point by informing this user here, then why should I stop.


daisuke_dark wrote:

thanks for telling me
I can't believe they did that
*shocked*



ps2xgmr wrote:

In my opinion, fansubbers arent stealing, its more like bringing content we might not even see from japan into other countries. If the anime gets dubbed here in america, do i buy the anime dvds? yea!


But when statistic even showing that US audiences aren't into buying anime DVD, while anime studios are hoping to break-even by streaming anime onto internet podcast sites. Fansub groups that are releasing illegitimate copies on the internet are what's killing the anime studios by overpopulating the internet market. Remember, anime aren't made by fansub groups, they're made buy the anime studios.
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DemonWithin912 wrote:


zendude wrote:


This is actually needs more speculation, meaning numbers and statics, proof. I do remember posting something here on Strike Witches and sales, but I doubt that the number of import buyers are significant, yet.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-12/strike-witches-dvd-volume-1-sells-11000-copies


*looks at statistic*

Now I believe that if you put anime into the mainstream then it would sell well.

Though, many things related to the anime can either reduce/improve the sale, even if it is in the mainstream.

For Gonzo to put their anime on Youtube and Crunchyroll, it could help sale in America a whole lot more as well.




Well, since it is the first of its kind, a legitimate company sub stream (sorry for the use of long adjective), it is something worth taking note of. The Anime itself is second rate, but again, the popularity and fuss over it might have played a factor on the sales.

Something that is needs to be taken note of is how many on the podcast sites, other than Japan, more specifically North America, actually watched the series on Youtube, crunchyroll, and BOST tv. How much market potential does this Anime actually have outside of Japan?

I actually don't know if countries like the Philippines and Asian countries got the opportunity to watch Strike Witches. Even if they did and want the DVD, the best that they could obtain the DVDs is through importing.
Posted 11/2/08

Erehe wrote:


zendude wrote:


Erehe wrote:


Furlong wrote:


Erehe wrote:

Seriously, I don't think so, Since most anime that gets subbed these days are anime that are showing in Japan, and most of the people who download it are merely Gaijins who just want to watch the anime episode that's subbed, That's no different from watching it in Japan except for watching it late, If the fansubbing industry is killing an industry that is associated to anime, It would be the anime dubbing industry(which is quite evident after what happened to Geneon USA)


If you download anime, you have (the potential) to keep it forever, which will indefinitely affect DVD sales, unlike watching it one-time-only on TV. As for the dubbing industry, the creators still get money so thats not really a problem.


Same goes with Crunchyroll,Veoh and Anitube and what they have to offer, and btw:


indefinitely affect DVD sales

Seeing many gaijins ordering the Strike Witches DVD Box set even if it's expensive, I doubt it holds water(and yes, Majority of those who ordered has the series saved in their PCs)

To make things easier to understand, These damages to the anime industry you point out only affects those outside Japan, Theirs a reason why anime is not simultaneously shown in Japan and out, and that's because their priority is Japan, not us.


This is actually needs more speculation, meaning numbers and statics, proof. I do remember posting something here on Strike Witches and sales, but I doubt that the number of import buyers are significant, yet.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-12/strike-witches-dvd-volume-1-sells-11000-copies


Seeing that SW season 1 DVD boxes are on hold for Gaijins, The orders are there, but the delivery is yet to come.


I would like to point out that Gaijin/外人 is a Japanese word meaning "foreigner" or "non-Japanese". Erehe here is using this phrase to refer the people that's outside of Japan.
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