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Armored Core can it take a Gundam?
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Nothing can take on a Gundam, ESPECIALLY if the pilot is Heero Yuy.
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id say an AC could easily take a Gundam.

like.. a human plus pilot (totally beyond any Gundam pilot) piloting a Nineball type AC... would utterly destroy a Gundam and its pilot.

like i love my mecha's... and watch gundam wing and played the game...

an AC in ac4 would pwn a gundam
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Canonically it's most likely the AC's move faster. Especially if you seen the cutscenes and trailers from every game. However, if you add in NewTypes and stuff they win. However a 'normal' human like Heero would probably lose. The heavy ACS would probably/definitly lose. Unless they do one of those super lock-on attacks.


Edit: Why are people over estimating Heero he's only good because of the Zero system or whatever some other pilots are definitly better than him an example is if Epyon didn't only have close combat weapons (Epyon has NO other weapons same as Talgeese III it still sucks when comparing to a Gundam-whatever) I'm not saying close combat is bad but when the opponent has a super blaster weapon it sucks. Domon with God Gundam (or Amuro in whatever he chooses) can easily take Heero; that's why it's GOD Gundam.
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A NEXT would pwn a gundam, an AC would get stomped....


Also, I'm sorry....I could take Heero in my NEXT, even in Wing Zero~


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Actually,


Given how powerful the standard weapons a Heavy NEXT can carry....it wouldn't need to charge or unleash a torrent of weaponry to take out the Gundam in one or two shots. And to top it off with Assault Armor, if the Gundam tried to close in they would find themselves with either a Kojima powered blade punching through the cockpit only to explode in a glowing eruption....OR. They'd be caught up in the supernova that is the Assault Armor explosion created by purposefully over clocking the generator and venting the stress through the various boosters all over the NEXT...
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Doh, the NEXT's Assault Armor counts? My God, alright, not even the NewType's stand a chance
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hell no! gundam owns all!!!!!!
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jay6811 wrote:

hell no! gundam owns all!!!!!!


i can tell you never played AC4. lol.

seriously though, you should check it out, great game.
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I will but i still think Gundam just owns
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Posted 5/8/09
it depends on the one piloting the mechs.,.,.,.
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SakakiNatsumaki wrote:

Yeah, an AC would own a gundam. Honestly, while gundams tore each other apart quickly, they never really had things like armor. The Kojima weapons would destroy them, the weapons such as Assault Armor and Kojima Cannons.... They destroy things QUICKLY. Gundams, they got purely laser weaponry, what are they gonna do when an AC comes up on them with anti-laser armor, huge amounts of primal armor, missles, and a bunch of solid shell weaponry that Gundams arnt equipped to block with their armor? Gundams were also never as maneuverable as the Armored Cores, or never seemed to it me. NEXT units can dodge in and out THROUGH a cluster missle strike with a good pilot, and i mean literally inches away from them type of thing, ive NEVER seen a gundam do that. Gundams do have a power advantage, or a seeming power advantage, until you really get into it. A NEXT unit would DESTROY a Gundam.





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In all reality, though I do like gundams. I have to agree with the fellow who mentioned Gundams losing this fight heavily.


The gundams seem to have the power advantage, but only to the people who know little to nothing about NEXTs...They don't have the mobility or agility that a NEXT does, and their weapons are straight shot power...What are they going to do with a missle they can't evade that has enough destructive impact force to take off at -least- two of it's limbs? Kojima would shred Gundams, as it is similar to Wing Zero's rifle in many aspects, except that it can be charged to make it even more powerful over time.

NEXTs have agility, speed, and almost equal power to the better population of most Gundam models. So over all, if the pilots were of equal skill, a NEXT would be the victor I'm afraid...


[And as a note, White Glint isn't that fast...my NEXT smokes it, horribly so. ]


NEXT Pilot~ FirewolfSaviour
Piloting~ EmberFlame


sorry for bumping and quoting 2 huge posts. but they just made me laugh. gundam are also fast, since most of them can handle a lot of g-force. victory 2 gundam has a max thruster acceleration of 20g in robo form. all the high end end gundams have super sheilds which is way superior to pa, eg: i-field, gn field, strike freedom shield. about armor most gundams have immunity towards ballistic weapons so missiles, guns and cannons are useless. weapons gundams win by a huge difference. gundams also have unique ability some can teleport everywhere, one can turn invisible, one has complete invulnerable armor ( yes this includes any en weaponary), one has a future prediction unit which tell the pilot where the enemy will attack from. maneuverability plzzz gundam are shown to have excellent maneuverability in shows where a gundam would dodge a beam or missiles at point blank range.
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Skeithcruor wrote:

Canonically it's most likely the AC's move faster. Especially if you seen the cutscenes and trailers from every game. However, if you add in NewTypes and stuff they win. However a 'normal' human like Heero would probably lose. The heavy ACS would probably/definitly lose. Unless they do one of those super lock-on attacks.


Edit: Why are people over estimating Heero he's only good because of the Zero system or whatever some other pilots are definitly better than him an example is if Epyon didn't only have close combat weapons (Epyon has NO other weapons same as Talgeese III it still sucks when comparing to a Gundam-whatever) I'm not saying close combat is bad but when the opponent has a super blaster weapon it sucks. Domon with God Gundam (or Amuro in whatever he chooses) can easily take Heero; that's why it's GOD Gundam.





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Actually,


Given how powerful the standard weapons a Heavy NEXT can carry....it wouldn't need to charge or unleash a torrent of weaponry to take out the Gundam in one or two shots. And to top it off with Assault Armor, if the Gundam tried to close in they would find themselves with either a Kojima powered blade punching through the cockpit only to explode in a glowing eruption....OR. They'd be caught up in the supernova that is the Assault Armor explosion created by purposefully over clocking the generator and venting the stress through the various boosters all over the NEXT...





Skeithcruor wrote:

Doh, the NEXT's Assault Armor counts? My God, alright, not even the NewType's stand a chance


assault armor has nothing on moon light butterfly, search it up. heero is said have skill equal to a newtype. half of these people haven't even seen a gundam show properly . With the size of beam saber a gundam doesn't even need to be close to a next to kill it. booster come on its not like gundams don't have it. god gundam is just a name. turn a gundam is the strongest gundam there is. that thing is so damn overpowered. turn a > ac universe. like i said watching one gundam series doesn't make you a person with knowledge regarding gundam. about people ranting on assault armor and what not, gundamnium armor is extremely resistant to energy weapons and ballistics weapons.
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spartan0047 wrote:


Skeithcruor wrote:

Canonically it's most likely the AC's move faster. Especially if you seen the cutscenes and trailers from every game. However, if you add in NewTypes and stuff they win. However a 'normal' human like Heero would probably lose. The heavy ACS would probably/definitly lose. Unless they do one of those super lock-on attacks.


Edit: Why are people over estimating Heero he's only good because of the Zero system or whatever some other pilots are definitly better than him an example is if Epyon didn't only have close combat weapons (Epyon has NO other weapons same as Talgeese III it still sucks when comparing to a Gundam-whatever) I'm not saying close combat is bad but when the opponent has a super blaster weapon it sucks. Domon with God Gundam (or Amuro in whatever he chooses) can easily take Heero; that's why it's GOD Gundam.





QuickFlames wrote:

Actually,


Given how powerful the standard weapons a Heavy NEXT can carry....it wouldn't need to charge or unleash a torrent of weaponry to take out the Gundam in one or two shots. And to top it off with Assault Armor, if the Gundam tried to close in they would find themselves with either a Kojima powered blade punching through the cockpit only to explode in a glowing eruption....OR. They'd be caught up in the supernova that is the Assault Armor explosion created by purposefully over clocking the generator and venting the stress through the various boosters all over the NEXT...





Skeithcruor wrote:

Doh, the NEXT's Assault Armor counts? My God, alright, not even the NewType's stand a chance


assault armor has nothing on moon light butterfly, search it up. heero is said have skill equal to a newtype. half of these people haven't even seen a gundam show properly . With the size of beam saber a gundam doesn't even need to be close to a next to kill it. booster come on its not like gundams don't have it. god gundam is just a name. turn a gundam is the strongest gundam there is. that thing is so damn overpowered. turn a > ac universe. like i said watching one gundam series doesn't make you a person with knowledge regarding gundam. about people ranting on assault armor and what not, gundamnium armor is extremely resistant to energy weapons and ballistics weapons.


You know a lot about gundam serieses, but what about the AC series? I would really love to see a gundam take on AF Answerer. A NEXT can take of AF Answerer, and can do it easily if the pilot is good.

Kojima technology is easily stronger than the beam weaponry in Gundam. Kojima technology was the next step up, they already had beam and laser tech in AC, and now Kojima energy is the thing. Kojima tech compared to beam tech from gundam is easily better. Cmon, think about it. I have never seen a beam sword take out a mobile fortress in one or two swipes, but thats just part of why people use Kojima blades in armored core.

Assault armor alone wouldnt kill a gundam, but if you hit the gundam right up close with it, it would erode armor, and do damage, enough that any other powerful weapon that they use would be, to quote pokemon, super effective. You have to admit that Armored Core's power sources have to be absolutely top notch, extreme amounts of energy pouring out at end game models, and purposely overloading then venting the systems would screw anything over, AC or Gundam.

Then, take in Primal Armor. Primal Armor is an integral part of an AC now. It absorbs the large hits and you take minimal damage. and so, even when it runs out, a NEXT has a lot of armor left.

Also, as ive said before, i havent seen gundams use anything but laser weaponry. The best part about NEXTs is that they are very very tweakable. You can make a heavy anti-laser defense, sacrificing ballistic defense (which isnt a sacrifice against a gundam), and then load out with heavy PA, heavy ballistic weaponry, and go to town. The gundams would do minimal damage as you quickly wear down their defenses and kill them.

Nuff said.
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SakakiNatsumaki wrote:


spartan0047 wrote:


Skeithcruor wrote:

Canonically it's most likely the AC's move faster. Especially if you seen the cutscenes and trailers from every game. However, if you add in NewTypes and stuff they win. However a 'normal' human like Heero would probably lose. The heavy ACS would probably/definitly lose. Unless they do one of those super lock-on attacks.


Edit: Why are people over estimating Heero he's only good because of the Zero system or whatever some other pilots are definitly better than him an example is if Epyon didn't only have close combat weapons (Epyon has NO other weapons same as Talgeese III it still sucks when comparing to a Gundam-whatever) I'm not saying close combat is bad but when the opponent has a super blaster weapon it sucks. Domon with God Gundam (or Amuro in whatever he chooses) can easily take Heero; that's why it's GOD Gundam.





QuickFlames wrote:

Actually,


Given how powerful the standard weapons a Heavy NEXT can carry....it wouldn't need to charge or unleash a torrent of weaponry to take out the Gundam in one or two shots. And to top it off with Assault Armor, if the Gundam tried to close in they would find themselves with either a Kojima powered blade punching through the cockpit only to explode in a glowing eruption....OR. They'd be caught up in the supernova that is the Assault Armor explosion created by purposefully over clocking the generator and venting the stress through the various boosters all over the NEXT...





Skeithcruor wrote:

Doh, the NEXT's Assault Armor counts? My God, alright, not even the NewType's stand a chance


assault armor has nothing on moon light butterfly, search it up. heero is said have skill equal to a newtype. half of these people haven't even seen a gundam show properly . With the size of beam saber a gundam doesn't even need to be close to a next to kill it. booster come on its not like gundams don't have it. god gundam is just a name. turn a gundam is the strongest gundam there is. that thing is so damn overpowered. turn a > ac universe. like i said watching one gundam series doesn't make you a person with knowledge regarding gundam. about people ranting on assault armor and what not, gundamnium armor is extremely resistant to energy weapons and ballistics weapons.


You know a lot about gundam serieses, but what about the AC series? I would really love to see a gundam take on AF Answerer. A NEXT can take of AF Answerer, and can do it easily if the pilot is good.

Kojima technology is easily stronger than the beam weaponry in Gundam. Kojima technology was the next step up, they already had beam and laser tech in AC, and now Kojima energy is the thing. Kojima tech compared to beam tech from gundam is easily better. Cmon, think about it. I have never seen a beam sword take out a mobile fortress in one or two swipes, but thats just part of why people use Kojima blades in armored core.

Assault armor alone wouldnt kill a gundam, but if you hit the gundam right up close with it, it would erode armor, and do damage, enough that any other powerful weapon that they use would be, to quote pokemon, super effective. You have to admit that Armored Core's power sources have to be absolutely top notch, extreme amounts of energy pouring out at end game models, and purposely overloading then venting the systems would screw anything over, AC or Gundam.

Then, take in Primal Armor. Primal Armor is an integral part of an AC now. It absorbs the large hits and you take minimal damage. and so, even when it runs out, a NEXT has a lot of armor left.

Also, as ive said before, i havent seen gundams use anything but laser weaponry. The best part about NEXTs is that they are very very tweakable. You can make a heavy anti-laser defense, sacrificing ballistic defense (which isnt a sacrifice against a gundam), and then load out with heavy PA, heavy ballistic weaponry, and go to town. The gundams would do minimal damage as you quickly wear down their defenses and kill them.

Nuff said.


kojima is not stronger then gundam tech, shields in gundams are always up and take all the damage not reduce it like pa. twin buster rifle was able to kill a colony which is way bigger then a cradle from ac. gundam are easily better then next. next vs knightmare frame is better comparison, next is obviously better then a knightmare frame. turn a has mix of weapons, so does strike freedom. gundams have super shield and better armor. also the gundams you said which only have laser weaponry usually have this uber powerful cannon. turn a gundam's moon light butterfly which has a range from earth to jupiter, destroys anything instantly regardless of a shield or not <<< nows thats power. it uses nano tech robos. af answerer can be easily defeated by all gundams except for those early crap ones like rx-78.
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm <<<< go here for all the amazing facts about gundam.
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*shrugs* whatever you say sir.

Just because their shields take all the damage doesnt mean they dont overload.

The armor that Gundams use are made to take the heat of a laser weapon, but not kinetic damage a balistic shot does. It might take time, but it would shatter the armor eventually.

Ahhhhh, but whats the downside to the moon light butterfly? Theres always a downside.
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