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Do you Believe in Full Metal Alchemist Equivalent Exchange??
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Law of Exchange happens in Physics and Chemistry and maybe to some other subject
BUT
Absolute law of exchange in our ordinary day-to-day lives (mostly social life, intrapersonal life not happenings about chem, phsyics) cannot happen.
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aaron199999 wrote:


worrybeunhappy wrote:


aaron199999 wrote:


This got me thinking about the Law of Equivalent Exchange
In Full Metal Alchemist:

It States that:
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something
in return... To obtain something of equal value must be lost."


I dont believe on this law because... For example even you worked hard
on an exam and still failed that is not an equivalent exchange right?
For those who are gifted and dont even have to work hard and still
pass that is not an equivalent exchange either..

So how about you? what do you think about this law?..


its a positive concept to believe in, it establishes good qualities in people so it is definitely not bad to believe in a concept that says u r rewarded with the amount of effort u put in... However ur example is incorrect, u may hav spent alot of time on an exam and failed but that meens the quality of ur study was not enough, for example if u spent less time studying but worked harder u still could have passed... However there is one example thats highlighted in FMA that disproves the theory of equivalent exchange and that is wen a pregnant mother loses her child during child birth even tho she loved it and cared for it as much as any mother out there.... where is the pregnant mothers reward in this situation? also who is to say what is of equal value in this World? Does 1 life automatically equate to another? No because some people live rich fulfilled lives while others let life pass by. Its a lovely concept to believe in but wenever i think about these examples it reinforces the fact that equivalent exchange doesnt exist, however thats not to say i dont believe in Karma


I do think that example is given in FMA about the Alchemist exam..

Edward passed the license exam in FMA even though there are more

people that worked hard than him... I do believe that there is equivalent exchange

but there are more variables to be considered on this concept... XD


well u cant reeli place the alchemist exam as a thesis to support the concept because Edward beat them not due to the amount of study he did nor the quality of it, but because he has the ability to transmute without a transmutation circle... There is no such academic ability that can be compared to Edward's alchemic ability in reality, we are all born with the same capacity to learn ur breeding and family tree doesnt affect this, u can come from a family of illiterates and hav a huge IQ or it can work the other way around and ur parents can be geniuses while u r an idiot
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By the end of the series they didn't even believe in the concept of equivalient exchange using nearly word for word the example you gave while asking the question. Equivalient exchange clearly does not exsist, not even in the sense of karma. Karma is a flawed concept at best itself.
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No I don't. Life is not always fair....
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"Humankind" Mean Something BiG~!!
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it's a bit similar in newton's 3rd law of motion..
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connotatively... yes..(but only 25%)
someone should work hard to achieve something he/she wants. but at times, a person doesn't get a successful result....
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aaron199999 wrote:


This got me thinking about the Law of Equivalent Exchange
In Full Metal Alchemist:

It States that:
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something
in return... To obtain something of equal value must be lost."


I dont believe on this law because... For example even you worked hard
on an exam and still failed that is not an equivalent exchange right?
For those who are gifted and dont even have to work hard and still
pass that is not an equivalent exchange either..

So how about you? what do you think about this law?..


I quite like the question you posted here. I believe in the statement though.

From what you have said that

"even you worked hard
on an exam and still failed that is not an equivalent exchange right?
For those who are gifted and dont even have to work hard and still
pass that is not an equivalent exchange either"


Well, If you think even more. What is it that makes you failed the test when you've already try so hard?
Here is one example I can think of:
---You didn't read or you miss what is going to be on the test. (You did read, but not the right part)

OK. Here is the diagram of the action and the result:

Read book--->Read the right part--->Get good point
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-----or---->Read the wrong part--->Get low point

The result:
First consequence
OK. You get good grade at the end of semester, and you know how to solve the questions that was on the test.

Second consequence
Too bad. Your grade wasn't so good, and you can't solve the questions that was on the test, BUT you do know something else that's not on the test (Well, that's because you did read the textbook, but didn't read the right part). It does sound ironic. BUT AGAIN those who can do the test might not know what you know. Nothing is useless, depend on how you think about it...

"There are 2 sides in one coin, the same thing apply to your life.
When something happen, there are always good side and bad side in it."




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no, equivalent exchange doesn't apply in the digital world
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no...i dun believe ...
if that is true then we born in this world what are we used to exchange??
life? as people said life exchange life...then whose life we use leh? parent??
even if u can talk through it...
then how about,when u wnt to plant a flower in winter?<just an example> but that flower can onli grow at spring...
even u knw that u use all ur effort or even ur life to protect that flower...water it and lot of thing to it...u try ur best...
in the end it also nv grow...
so how?
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chronotrigger01 wrote:

Hmmm....evryone has some good answers. My answer is yes & no. Equivalent Exchange does exist in some sense. Its kinda like Karma that some comments have already stated. Equivalent Exchange is all about equalness. If you want something, you simply have to give up something of equal value. Someone earlier said No cuz they studied for a test & still failed it. My opinion is that that person just didnt study well enough. Tho the easiest example would be that you get to keep your power cuz you paid the bill.


you are so off. IN this world their no such thing as equivalent exchange. instead say you a scientist working in a lab and you discover a new substance strong enough to withstand the sun heat and keep the person inside safe. if you are not the head person in the lab then you get no glory even if you discovered by your self.
NO bigger raise in money no promotion. nothing and if you the head then you get glory but that all.
the company will get all the money from it and all the right to it to. This go for any thing in life the ones who actually do the work get nothing while those at top get everything and how the system is made it in most jobs
no madder how great you are you only get to a certain position then stop you never get to the top.
Most are set where only those who are born in the right family can succeed.

Plus the real law of how things work is to gain something you most first give up something more important.

it a cruel short life. nothing fair nothing even.

u and about the kids who study and you said all he got to do is study harder you wrong.
every one born with a certain limit in mental and psychical. one can look at all the work once then make perfect another can study it for 7hr and make a 80 out of a 100. one can almost never practice soccer while another can practice it all day every day and he will still not be as good as the other one. their is no such thing as Equivalent Exchange
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then how about marriage and divorce??
u spend ur life .example 20yr. full contribute to the family and do whatever thig u can for them<husband>just hope ur husband can love u forever...forever onli treat u as number1
but in the end u found out that ur husband outside got another woman...
so u use 20yr to change what?? to change another woman?change a divorce? .-.
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Yes, you can't get something without nothing XD
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No, that is not a universal rule.
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It's just the first law of thermodynamics (Matter cannot be created nor destroyed) modified a bit to suit their purposes.
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it depends on what we are swaping
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