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Do you Believe in Full Metal Alchemist Equivalent Exchange??
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I believe in something that can be related to, but not identical to, equivalent exchange. In scientific terms, the concept can fit in an exact match, such as chemical reactions and energy as a whole. However, I believe that every though and action creates their own energy, and that energy must be converted from somewhere else to maintain a constant balance. Karma, balance, equivalency, whatever you want to call it, everything is made up of energy and as anyone with a middle school level science education can tell you, "energy cannot be created or destroyed."
Posted 11/4/08
I do, I think it's very accurate. In the case of studying, you are giving up your time to learn or get knowledge. In the case of reviving their mother, giving up arm, leg, and brother's body did technically bring their mother back, well the mother's body to be exact, the reasoning in this is that you give up something physical to gain material things. What they were missing was the soul.
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cloudji wrote:


chronotrigger01 wrote:

Hmmm....evryone has some good answers. My answer is yes & no. Equivalent Exchange does exist in some sense. Its kinda like Karma that some comments have already stated. Equivalent Exchange is all about equalness. If you want something, you simply have to give up something of equal value. Someone earlier said No cuz they studied for a test & still failed it. My opinion is that that person just didnt study well enough. Tho the easiest example would be that you get to keep your power cuz you paid the bill.


you are so off. IN this world their no such thing as equivalent exchange. instead say you a scientist working in a lab and you discover a new substance strong enough to withstand the sun heat and keep the person inside safe. if you are not the head person in the lab then you get no glory even if you discovered by your self.
NO bigger raise in money no promotion. nothing and if you the head then you get glory but that all.
the company will get all the money from it and all the right to it to. This go for any thing in life the ones who actually do the work get nothing while those at top get everything and how the system is made it in most jobs
no madder how great you are you only get to a certain position then stop you never get to the top.
Most are set where only those who are born in the right family can succeed.

Plus the real law of how things work is to gain something you most first give up something more important.

it a cruel short life. nothing fair nothing even.

u and about the kids who study and you said all he got to do is study harder you wrong.
every one born with a certain limit in mental and psychical. one can look at all the work once then make perfect another can study it for 7hr and make a 80 out of a 100. one can almost never practice soccer while another can practice it all day every day and he will still not be as good as the other one. their is no such thing as Equivalent Exchange


Though I agree that equivalency in regard to reward and punishment through effort is not true, I believe everything does even out in the end in some regard and there are many more factors and variables to consider than whether or not you get rewarded for hard work. For example, the scientist may not get the glory, but may feel more content with themselves for their accomplishments, and gain the respect and admiration of co-workers and family who know the whole story, while the boss that takes the credit is shunned at work and has a nagging sense of guilt their whole life. The scientist may have many wonderful friends and a loving and supportive family, while the boss may be miserable and alone despite material wealth. Rewards are not necessarily measured in material success, recognition, or what grade you achieved on a test. For example, a person who slacks off all semester and then studies really hard for the final that makes up the majority of their grade will likely still do poorer than their peers, while one who studied consistently but didn't achieve very well may be more likely to do better at the next level than their peer who crammed, and will develop a good work ethic and study skills that will help them in the future.
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it is like in physics there should be always equiliber
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The Alchemy is better explained towards the end of the anime..
there's no equilibrium because when something is created through alchemy (even though the composition of materials at the start and end is the same).. energy is required. This energy results in the disequilibrium. In FMA, the energy source is from the gate (the other world)..
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JHaley wrote:


cloudji wrote:


chronotrigger01 wrote:

Hmmm....evryone has some good answers. My answer is yes & no. Equivalent Exchange does exist in some sense. Its kinda like Karma that some comments have already stated. Equivalent Exchange is all about equalness. If you want something, you simply have to give up something of equal value. Someone earlier said No cuz they studied for a test & still failed it. My opinion is that that person just didnt study well enough. Tho the easiest example would be that you get to keep your power cuz you paid the bill.


you are so off. IN this world their no such thing as equivalent exchange. instead say you a scientist working in a lab and you discover a new substance strong enough to withstand the sun heat and keep the person inside safe. if you are not the head person in the lab then you get no glory even if you discovered by your self.
NO bigger raise in money no promotion. nothing and if you the head then you get glory but that all.
the company will get all the money from it and all the right to it to. This go for any thing in life the ones who actually do the work get nothing while those at top get everything and how the system is made it in most jobs
no madder how great you are you only get to a certain position then stop you never get to the top.
Most are set where only those who are born in the right family can succeed.

Plus the real law of how things work is to gain something you most first give up something more important.

it a cruel short life. nothing fair nothing even.

u and about the kids who study and you said all he got to do is study harder you wrong.
every one born with a certain limit in mental and psychical. one can look at all the work once then make perfect another can study it for 7hr and make a 80 out of a 100. one can almost never practice soccer while another can practice it all day every day and he will still not be as good as the other one. their is no such thing as Equivalent Exchange


Though I agree that equivalency in regard to reward and punishment through effort is not true, I believe everything does even out in the end in some regard and there are many more factors and variables to consider than whether or not you get rewarded for hard work. For example, the scientist may not get the glory, but may feel more content with themselves for their accomplishments, and gain the respect and admiration of co-workers and family who know the whole story, while the boss that takes the credit is shunned at work and has a nagging sense of guilt their whole life. The scientist may have many wonderful friends and a loving and supportive family, while the boss may be miserable and alone despite material wealth. Rewards are not necessarily measured in material success, recognition, or what grade you achieved on a test. For example, a person who slacks off all semester and then studies really hard for the final that makes up the majority of their grade will likely still do poorer than their peers, while one who studied consistently but didn't achieve very well may be more likely to do better at the next level than their peer who crammed, and will develop a good work ethic and study skills that will help them in the future.


my brother slept through all of high school and he did not get below a 97 on any thing.
uh and they view you have on the scientist is all wrong since that how it work in every lab the head scientist get all the credit and the boss of the company get all the money and ownership of the invention.
that how it work any where you go any job you get as a scientist. ya you could work on your own but how much ti cost to get the materials only some one rice can do it every one else got to work in a company where they want get any credit are the money for what every they do. unless after 20 years of working their become the head scientist then they still do not get eh money from their work just the credit.
the thing you said about the boss feeling bad are the head scientist feeling bad would never happen since this is what society says is oka to do. So since society says this is oka every thing you said is wrong.
uh and to feel good about your self is stupid. With money comes power with power comes the chance to help others. To change the world. UH and we are pack animals so yes to be alone is one of the worse thing to happen to a human. all a human needs is one mate which they love for and they be happy but to take care of that mate you need wealth. I have no need for a mom a dad brothers are sisters. work in a lab are study on how it works and you see and this is a example of how life works in all fields.
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yes beacause for everything there is an equal opposet in the world it is the basic law of science and life it does not applie to the chioce in witch u make but what ever chioce u make some of equal value will be produced
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1 word is all i'm going to say with out any answer which is "NO"
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I do because it's the fundamental law of the universe as far as energy is concerned. Energy isn't created or destroyed, only converted into different forms
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I agree with this up to the point. I can't accept the word equal value in this. In nature it is equal, but when it comes to people, to thier feelings, to thier talents, to thier point of view, then the price to pay becomes different for each one of them. One will have to pay more, one will pay less for the same thing. So in short, that concept works for phisical things. And only for them.... that's what I think. I agree with aaron.
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no cause the world be too boring that way
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Posted 11/4/08

pititatkung wrote:


aaron199999 wrote:


This got me thinking about the Law of Equivalent Exchange
In Full Metal Alchemist:

It States that:
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something
in return... To obtain something of equal value must be lost."


I dont believe on this law because... For example even you worked hard
on an exam and still failed that is not an equivalent exchange right?
For those who are gifted and dont even have to work hard and still
pass that is not an equivalent exchange either..

So how about you? what do you think about this law?..


I quite like the question you posted here. I believe in the statement though.

From what you have said that

"even you worked hard
on an exam and still failed that is not an equivalent exchange right?
For those who are gifted and dont even have to work hard and still
pass that is not an equivalent exchange either"


Well, If you think even more. What is it that makes you failed the test when you've already try so hard?
Here is one example I can think of:
---You didn't read or you miss what is going to be on the test. (You did read, but not the right part)

OK. Here is the diagram of the action and the result:

Read book--->Read the right part--->Get good point
|
-----or---->Read the wrong part--->Get low point

The result:
First consequence
OK. You get good grade at the end of semester, and you know how to solve the questions that was on the test.

Second consequence
Too bad. Your grade wasn't so good, and you can't solve the questions that was on the test, BUT you do know something else that's not on the test (Well, that's because you did read the textbook, but didn't read the right part). It does sound ironic. BUT AGAIN those who can do the test might not know what you know. Nothing is useless, depend on how you think about it...

"There are 2 sides in one coin, the same thing apply to your life.
When something happen, there are always good side and bad side in it."






I dont think you didn't try harder studying... I believe everyone on
this world is born with certain capabilities.. Someone is good at
something and someone is not... then i will give other example like in basketball
one try to practice 8hrs a day and the other one still better than him
even if he only practices 3 hrs a day thats where inequality comes in...
It is not his fault that he is better than him but he is born with that
ability and to become a basketball player while the other one
even how much perserverance and effort he put into it he cannot
be a basketball player because he is not meant to be a basketball player...
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Arakawa said that, for the Equivalent Exchange concept, she was inspired by the work of her parents who had a farm in Hokkaidō and always had to give all their effort in order to earn the money to eat. So in that context, yes, I believe in equivalent exchange: no pain, no gain.

In the context of alchemy: hell no.

In the context of chemistry: yes and no.
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i did when i slapped my friend in the face today and then he headbutted me....but otherwise no doesn't seem to work unless it involves common sense i.e slapping someone then getting hit back
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BrylleNoGotoku wrote:

Life is unfair. How can equivalent exchange exist?


life is supposed to be unfair. So for an unfair life in exchange you gain exp., wisdom, and strength. Pretty good exchange i think
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