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It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.
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It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.
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Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.
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digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.


No they didn't, Britain did. There was never a sovereign Palestinian nation. Before Brittan it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire too. And sense Biblical times Jews lived there. You are right, terrorists are still human and deserve forgiveness if they change, but aren't the Israelis human too? Why displace millions of people for a minority of terrorists who's ideology is a militant theocracy with no rights that is to be brought on through a Jewish genocide?
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digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.


No they didn't, Britain did. There was never a sovereign Palestinian nation. Before Brittan it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire too. And sense Biblical times Jews lived there. You are right, terrorists are still human and deserve forgiveness if they change, but aren't the Israelis human too? Why displace millions of people for a minority of terrorists who's ideology is a militant theocracy with no rights that is to be brought on through a Jewish genocide?


So it's ok to kick one million Palestinians out of their homes and off land that they still legally own? The entire ethnic cleansing was ok?
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.


No they didn't, Britain did. There was never a sovereign Palestinian nation. Before Brittan it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire too. And sense Biblical times Jews lived there. You are right, terrorists are still human and deserve forgiveness if they change, but aren't the Israelis human too? Why displace millions of people for a minority of terrorists who's ideology is a militant theocracy with no rights that is to be brought on through a Jewish genocide?


So it's ok to kick one million Palestinians out of their homes and off land that they still legally own? The entire ethnic cleansing was ok?


They legally own nothing, There is no Palestinian ethnic cleansing, they don't even teach that in Israel. Gaza and the West Bank were given to the Palestinians, the have never owned land or a nation, they weren't even a people group until 30 years ago.
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So it's ok to kick one million Palestinians out of their homes and off land that they still legally own? The entire ethnic cleansing was ok?

They legally own nothing, There is no Palestinian ethnic cleansing, they don't even teach that in Israel. Gaza and the West Bank were given to the Palestinians, the have never owned land or a nation, they weren't even a people group until 30 years ago.


No, many legally own alot. Thousands of Palestinians still own deeds to land and homes that Israel illegally stole in 1948.

It is well-known fact that there was an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Zionists in 1948. All Palestinians legally owned land, I don't think they built their homes and lived on water. These people were born in Palestine and lived their happily their whole lives and in 1948, they were ethnically cleansed and forced out of their homes and land and many were massacred. To this day, the 4.5 million Palestinian refugees who had their whole lives stolen still live in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Banks and other countries. They were not given anything, they had everything taken away.




This is some of the most basic knowledge of this entire conflict, that and the treatment of the Palestinians. But for some reason people are so ignorant about everything.
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

So it's ok to kick one million Palestinians out of their homes and off land that they still legally own? The entire ethnic cleansing was ok?

They legally own nothing, There is no Palestinian ethnic cleansing, they don't even teach that in Israel. Gaza and the West Bank were given to the Palestinians, the have never owned land or a nation, they weren't even a people group until 30 years ago.


No, many legally own alot. Thousands of Palestinians still own deeds to land and homes that Israel illegally stole in 1948.

It is well-known fact that there was an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Zionists in 1948. All Palestinians legally owned land, I don't think they built their homes and lived on water. These people were born in Palestine and lived their happily their whole lives and in 1948, they were ethnically cleansed and forced out of their homes and land and many were massacred. To this day, the 4.5 million Palestinian refugees who had their whole lives stolen still live in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Banks and other countries. They were not given anything, they had everything taken away.




This is some of the most basic knowledge of this entire conflict, that and the treatment of the Palestinians. But for some reason people are so ignorant about everything.


Technically Israel didn't do that as the UN gave them the land and there was already a large Jewish population. The Palestinians may have had land, but they didn't own the country nor the government. And if you are talking about the 1948 war that the Arabs started, here are some proofs about it. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf4.html. The Arabs actually told the Palestinians living there to leave so that when those armies come in and massacre the Jews they wouldn't kill fellow Arabs in the process.
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Technically Israel didn't do that as the UN gave them the land and there was already a large Jewish population. The Palestinians may have had land, but they didn't own the country nor the government. And if you are talking about the 1948 war that the Arabs started, here are some proofs about it. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf4.html. The Arabs actually told the Palestinians living there to leave so that when those armies come in and massacre the Jews they wouldn't kill fellow Arabs in the process.


The UN recommended them the area where they could make their own state after the war and ethnic cleansing were done, to try to solve the problem. The 1948 war started because the Zionists came in and wanted to take the country for their own. Regardless of what the technicalities are, like the quotes from Israeli Prime Ministers explain, they came in and started stealing their land and their country, obviously that would start a war. If they thought they could come in and do that without any conflicts, they must have been crazy.

The one millions Arabs left because of the ethnic cleansing, we have countless Israeli Prime Ministers and generals and officials who clearly explain that they planned it out because you can't have a Jewish nation if the majority are Arab.
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Wow how much more racists can the Israeli government be and receive absolutely no press from our media is astonishing. The zionist propaganda machine really is working in our country.

Israel Calls on Ultra-Orthodox Jews to Stop "Arab Takeover"




Update Just Happened July 2nd
: Now this is terrible anyone know who Cynthia McKinney is? Well you probably wouldnt be she was running as a third party candidate in the previous elections. Well now she is jailed in Israels dungeons. Her offense? All she did was try to bring Palestinian children crayons so they can color. This is sad and now Israel is trying to force her to say she is guilty of committing a crime? What crime? What harm does it cause to Israel giving Palestinian kids crayons seriously is Israel that inhuman that they wouldn't allow children to color? Will this get shown in the US media I doubt it we cover up anything Israel does. Well now we have an innocent American locked up among with the other innocent children and Palestinians Israel has in their dungeons.

"I was brought to Israel against my will. I am being held in this prison because I had a dream that Gaza’s children could color and paint, that Gaza’s wounded could be healed, and that Gaza’s bombed-out houses could be rebuilt.
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She writes about the situation here:


This is not the first time Israel thwarted her attempt to aid innocent civilians in Palestine this is the second. Here is the clip of the first time where Israel rams her boat filled with aid. I could see if it were weapons but what harm does medical supplies do? Gaza is in a severe humanitarian crisis caused by Israel those people need help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeNdIGI8os

She has been released details here:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2009/07/05/mckinney_israel.html
Honestly when I read the comments on the this topic from http://www.infowars.com/cynthia-mckinney-letter-from-an-israeli-jail/ you see a lot of racists comments etc. You know this world is becoming worse when good people get criticized for doing good things. This is the reality of most of the American public and you can see a lot of it spilling into these forums as well. After reading this whole situation one can conclude Israel was never the nation it professes to be. These blockades are the reason why Palestinians have to live day to day denied the basic human necessities and when someone tries to help they get kicked out, jailed, or even have the JDL of Canada ban you from their country (George Galloway). Bah ah yes at last here in America where you can see many infomercials especially on the Christian Television Network of a Jew or a Christian telling the Americans, "Donate X amount of money and you can send a Russian family to Israel." Many other donations to Israel as well as if they really are in some type of bad situation.
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Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


Dude thats pretty too much. Chase them away to Sahara desert lol.
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.


No they didn't, Britain did. There was never a sovereign Palestinian nation. Before Brittan it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire too. And sense Biblical times Jews lived there. You are right, terrorists are still human and deserve forgiveness if they change, but aren't the Israelis human too? Why displace millions of people for a minority of terrorists who's ideology is a militant theocracy with no rights that is to be brought on through a Jewish genocide?


So it's ok to kick one million Palestinians out of their homes and off land that they still legally own? The entire ethnic cleansing was ok?


Didnt you guys had argue that many pages ago?.....i dont seem to remember.
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digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


digs wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

It's better to give back to the Palestinians the land that they originally owned. Relocate the Israelis on an uninhabitable island or a patch of land on the Sahara desert.


The problem is that the Palestinians owned absolutely nothing, they wren't even a people group until about 30 years ago. Israel needs to stay where it is, the world shouldn't cater to terrorists.


Oh really? They owned no land before the UN divided up the country to be occupied by the Israelis? Even since biblical times the Palestinians lived there. Terrorists or not they are still human beings first.


No they didn't, Britain did. There was never a sovereign Palestinian nation. Before Brittan it was a territory of the Ottoman Empire too. And sense Biblical times Jews lived there. You are right, terrorists are still human and deserve forgiveness if they change, but aren't the Israelis human too? Why displace millions of people for a minority of terrorists who's ideology is a militant theocracy with no rights that is to be brought on through a Jewish genocide?


After reading the some of the succeeding posts I have something to ask you. What if an international organization forcefully driven you out from your home and let other people live in your house? Will you not be a terrorist because of that injustice? Someone's terrorist may be someone's hero. The Arabs didn't even agreed to the UN's decision to partition the country. The Jews were expelled from there centuries ago and like you've said it was occupied by the Ottoman empire w/c was a Muslim empire.

If there was no Jewish settlement on Palestinian soil will there be any conflict about it today? What really started the conflict? If the land was owned by the Israelis prior to the UN's partition of the country then why was the majority of the population back then were Palestinians? The Jews were just immigrants because of the holocaust. Europe doesn't like the Jews, hundreds of years of antisemitism can prove that. So they just made a solution, dump the Jews in Palestine and make them Middle East's problem.
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I love it how no one that I have shown this too have a comeback for it.


What exactly are we supposed to say, pray tell? It’s not really an argument; it’s just a propaganda poster. Unless we happen to chance upon a counter image there’s really not much we can do. I think the sentiment it suggests is incorrect. I do not believe the terrorism in Palestine began out of desperation. After all, the terrorist attacks predate not only Israel’s wall but also the demolition of homes. There have been terrorism attacks on anyone of Jewish heritage since the early 1900s, even before Israel was founded. According to the head of Hamas, Khaled Marshal, Hamas’ motivation predates the resistance. Hamas’ vendetta against Israel, according to him, has been in effect since 1948.

I think that the reason the Palestinians produce so many terrorists has more to do with the fact that Palestinian public schools and political officials, as well as television programs, news paper, and other media sources are designed to brainwash the population. They fill them with lies and glorify hatred. It’s actually become a part of the Palestinian culture just to hate Jews.
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After reading the some of the succeeding posts I have something to ask you. What if an international organization forcefully driven you out from your home and let other people live in your house? Will you not be a terrorist because of that injustice? Someone's terrorist may be someone's hero. The Arabs didn't even agreed to the UN's decision to partition the country. The Jews were expelled from there centuries ago and like you've said it was occupied by the Ottoman empire w/c was a Muslim empire

]If there was no Jewish settlement on Palestinian soil will there be any conflict about it today? What really started the conflict? If the land was owned by the Israelis prior to the UN's partition of the country then why was the majority of the population back then were Palestinians? The Jews were just immigrants because of the holocaust. Europe doesn't like the Jews, hundreds of years of antisemitism can prove that. So they just made a solution, dump the Jews in Palestine and make them Middle East's problem.


That’s not exactly true. Have you ever wondered why the United Nation’s distribution of the land created two nations that are so oblong? Israel, for example, is shaped a bit like an hour glass. There’s a fat bottom and a fat top with a narrow connecting isthmus between two seas of Palestinian territory. At its narrowest this strip of land is actually only nine miles across. Well, there’s actually a reason for this.

The United Nations gave the areas with a Jewish majority to the Jews while the areas with dominantly Arab populations were given to the Arabs. This being said, most of the territory that legally became Israel was in fact already owned and populated by the Jews. To give a historical example, the first Jewish settlement in Palestine was Gedera. It was established by the “Biluim,” in 1882 on 3,300 dunams of land purchased from the Arab village of Qatra.

So, privately the Jews already owned most of Palestine. The only question that remained was who had national ownership of the territory. That, of course, had been the British who took over at the end of WWI with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. They gave national ownership to the United Nation which then proceeded to divide that ownership up amongst the Arabs and the Jews.

The Arab League actually acknowledged the plan as logical and fair, but insisted that the Jews had no place in the Middle East.

As far as the Europeans dropping their problem off on the Middle East, that’s not actually true. The British forces actually severely limited Jewish immigration, cutting it down to only about 75,000 over a period of five years. In truth, the United Kingdom went so far as to arrest the Jews as illegal immigrants and send them flying back to Hitler’s death camps.

The conflict itself actually has fairly common origins, spawning from acts of individual racism. It can be closely compared to the formation of MS-13 in the United States during the late seventies and early eighties. Illegal immigrants from El Salvador were faced with racial persecution, but as illegal immigrants they had no legal protection. Since the police were not on their side they formed a violent self defense group. This later evolved and became what is today the largest, fastest growing, and most violent crime organization in the world.

Similarly, the Jews fleeing the holocaust were terrified of running into more ethnic cleansing of their people. They began to form self defense groups. The first of these Hashomer and it was fairly successful. Other groups, such as the Stern Gang, became corrupt. Random acts of violence from individuals against the Jews incited these groups into slaughtering the Arabs. Now, most of the Arabs were kind to the Jews. Most of the Jews were kind to the Arabs. They got along and continued to create thriving cities together. But, this racism spread like a plague and soon it was a full blown race war.

The United Kingdom was not willing to govern its territory and bailed out, giving the land over to the United Nations. The UN split it between the Jews and the Arabs. The Jews agreed to stop fighting and enjoy their new homeland in peace. The Arabs were still bitter and declared a war to eradicate the Jews. The Arabs lost and thus the modern conflict was born.

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