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The Nation of Israel and Palestine
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All I have to say on this thread because I repeated myself thousands of times on other threads people this is a cover up for this pure evil. It doesnt matter what anyones book says if another group of people doesnt worship that religion you dont have the right to impose your beliefs on them and steal their land period. What the Jews did was stole land from palestinians and now occupying them. America is supporting them for some reason I have no idea why although we get spied on and incidents when isrealis killed Americans. But these subjects are taboo and the media wont allow it to come out because they want us to continue to blindly support occupation and terrorism that the Israelis are doing on the Palestinians. Many jews spoke up against them and they are also subjected to the media as being self hating jews. I just dont understand how this tiny country who recieves free money, kills and steal lands, under hunderds of UN violations has US support. When the UN even tries to move in the US always jumps in to stop them why is this? Why does the world see this evil and the USA wants Americans to blindly support his. Why isnt this information being taught right in our history books? Am I to believe that the jews just magically formed a state on top of other peoples land the palestinians are suppose to accept it? Are Palestinians not people like us? Why didnt the USA if they loved the jews soo much give them some of their land why just pick and choose Palestinians as if they dont have a voice. Would you be angry if someone stoel your land, house, or even killed your family members? Why cant Americans think critically like this why do we have to be soo weak to our mainstream media? Why is there a double standard in this country you can diss the Islam even the prophet but if you dare say anything about a jew your whole career is over. Is Israel influence that powerfull on our country? Is our politicians more loyal to Israel then the United States? We have to make speeches to them laundering our support but they do that to us. I see Israel more of a burden then an ally if you ask me and by supporting them it means I am supporting genocide, occupation, and stealing of people lands. The enemy is not the Jew the real enemy here are these zionist who think they are Gods chosen people and can just do whatever they want. I will never, ever support Israel until someone can tell me why Palestinians have to constantly get their land stolen after WW2 which they had nothing to be apart of. To be completly honest I also think the zionist down right abused the holocaust also to get Palestine because had the holocaust never happened what could they say to steal their land? Americans love Jews, the USA should have gave some of its land to them but they didnt becaus they didnt want to kick their own people out for someone else so they instead did it to the Palestinians. Peace.
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Posted 11/10/08
@drizza
[The Secret World Government] by Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich may answer some of ur Qs.



Just to remember; while you people here discuss the palestine issues, thousands of innocent palestinians now are facing the Collective punishment in Gaza.






source:aljazeera





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Posted 11/10/08
Make sure you all not flaming anyone.....
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Isreal human rights....must watch!

israeli soldier shoots a blindfolded palestinian boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDXXwxOfvw&feature=related

Israeli soldiers beat a palestinian child
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhpEaQLOhRU&feature=related

Palestinian Children Beaten by Israeli Soldier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo&feature=related

Israeli Settlers Beating Old Palestinian Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFvMZTnr37s&feature=related

Israeli soldiers attacking Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn2Zyf4l_qg&feature=related

How Israelis treat Palestinians (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEmjwxY1ck&feature=related

Raw video: Israeli soldier shoots pro-palestinian protester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqJCBpYikAs&feature=related

i got tons more on US soldiers same like this but in "words"
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Posted 11/16/08 , edited 11/16/08
go to hell, stupid israel....
atacking islam country non-stop every day...
and accuses the muslims as terrorists, although everyone knows israel is the real terrorist!

and too all of you,
jew and islam will never ever unite...
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Posted 11/17/08

jujihoon0ppa wrote:

go to hell, stupid israel....
atacking islam country non-stop every day...
and accuses the muslims as terrorists, although everyone knows israel is the real terrorist!

and too all of you,
jew and islam will never ever unite...


You are in the wrong to make such a statement on Israel "Go to hell, stupid Israel... -jujihoon0ppa".
Despite the actions of the Israeli, on the Palestinian People, we can both agree that the hands of both the Israel and Palestinian people aren't exactly clean either. There are signs that there are elements within both the Israeli people and the Palestinian people to broker a peace agreement and live side by side in peace but hardliners within both sides have often intervene to break such a long-lasting agreement.

Ref
Israel pilot refuses order shoot Palestinian civilian targets -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/18/israel2

breaking the silence, Israeli soldier's speak -
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8777

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no offence to the brits, but if you didn't go and make three different agreements with Jewish, Muslims and the French, non of this would have happened! anyway, i think it's all quite stupid to be exact, there have been many documentries made, showing that normal civillians can live together peacefully, and they have, both jewish and muslim families which support and help each other. but as always with politics, things get twisted.

Why can't both parties just stay in this area together, its not like they can't, its been shown to happen. This whole thing is more about dirty politics and control of extremist groups. To be honest, you think a normal person would swear to knock down the opposing group of people to claim everything? the civillians themselfs are probably tired with everything. bot the jewsih and muslims probably just want to live without having to worry about soldiers shooting at them or kids setting themselves off with bombs. All these war-ish things, have always spun from extremist. And the media has fault too. Focusing on the extremes, allows for more following, thats why things are usually portrayed either one way or the other in the media, they don't really stop to think about what the whole large grey area is.

As for US supporting Isreal, in a way it allows them to have more influence and control in the arab nations. If Isreal state wasn't established in the first place, i don't think Bush could have sucessfully declared war on Iraq.....

just my thought. All war is bad. People should stop and learn to be civil, learn to share and compromise. Thats how it was in the past. As long as we can give up selfish greedy thoughts, peace is possible to attain
Posted 11/19/08
a good nuke on both will end it all <.< just kidding or am I >.>
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jujihoon0ppa wrote:

go to hell, stupid israel....
atacking islam country non-stop every day...
and accuses the muslims as terrorists, although everyone knows israel is the real terrorist!

and too all of you,
jew and islam will never ever unite...


WOW! Wat a statement lol.......Plz lol dun insult like that lol...
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azera wrote:


jujihoon0ppa wrote:

go to hell, stupid israel....
atacking islam country non-stop every day...
and accuses the muslims as terrorists, although everyone knows israel is the real terrorist!

and too all of you,
jew and islam will never ever unite...


WOW! Wat a statement lol.......Plz lol dun insult like that lol...


it's not a statement....
it's what quran said....
you may think that islam is bad, whatever...
but thinking that israel is the one who always attack islam countries, you know who is the one who doesn't want any peace with islam..
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Posted 11/19/08 , edited 11/19/08

jujihoon0ppa wrote:


azera wrote:


jujihoon0ppa wrote:

go to hell, stupid israel....
atacking islam country non-stop every day...
and accuses the muslims as terrorists, although everyone knows israel is the real terrorist!

and too all of you,
jew and islam will never ever unite...


WOW! Wat a statement lol.......Plz lol dun insult like that lol...


it's not a statement....
it's what quran said....
you may think that islam is bad, whatever...
but thinking that israel is the one who always attack islam countries, you know who is the one who doesn't want any peace with islam..


Im a muslim...

I know wat Israel done but we cant just boost out by insulting lol....

There is numbers of Jews here so we must watch our mouth...
Posted 11/19/08 , edited 11/19/08
anyone care to fact check this?

partial - rest is on the link below



"PALESTINE" - Never an Arab Country
One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the “alien” Jews and “stolen” from the Arabs as a result of “imperialist machinations,” was an independent state called “Palestine” whose majority residents were “Palestinians”. Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called “Palestine,” no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

Between the time of the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans in the year 70 to 132 AD and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, Israel (“Palestine”) was occupied by fourteen conquerors over thirteen centuries, until in 1948 the Jews once again declared their independence. The following table shows the historical periods of the various rulers of “Palestine”:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslim Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders
Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- .


Thus, during the entire period of recorded history “Palestine” was never ruled by so called “Palestinians”, the name adopted today by the Muslim residents of the Holy Land. The rule of the various Muslim Caliphates, which was a foreign rule, extended for a period of 432 years – Jewish rule of “Palestine” extended over a period of over 2000 years.

The inhabitants of the land consisted of the conquering soldiers and their slaves, and only during the Muslim conquest of the area were these diverse ethnic inhabitants compelled to accept Islam and the Arabic tongue, or be put to the sword. The Jews, on the other hand, are in fact the sole survivors of the ancient inhabitants of “Palestine”, who have maintained an uninterrupted link with the land since the dawn of recorded history.

It is one of the failures of our media today that, while an almost complete acceptance is granted to an absurd, fabricated lie, no attention at all is paid to the fascinating story of the Jewish families and communities who have resided in the Holy Land without interruption since Biblical times. These people have, throughout hundreds and thousands of years, kept their national claim to God's given ownership of their homeland.

http://christianactionforisrael.org/never_arab.html

seems a biased source - have fun
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asamiueto wrote:

anyone care to fact check this?

partial - rest is on the link below



"PALESTINE" - Never an Arab Country
One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the “alien” Jews and “stolen” from the Arabs as a result of “imperialist machinations,” was an independent state called “Palestine” whose majority residents were “Palestinians”. Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called “Palestine,” no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

Between the time of the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans in the year 70 to 132 AD and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, Israel (“Palestine”) was occupied by fourteen conquerors over thirteen centuries, until in 1948 the Jews once again declared their independence. The following table shows the historical periods of the various rulers of “Palestine”:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslim Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders
Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- .


Thus, during the entire period of recorded history “Palestine” was never ruled by so called “Palestinians”, the name adopted today by the Muslim residents of the Holy Land. The rule of the various Muslim Caliphates, which was a foreign rule, extended for a period of 432 years – Jewish rule of “Palestine” extended over a period of over 2000 years.

The inhabitants of the land consisted of the conquering soldiers and their slaves, and only during the Muslim conquest of the area were these diverse ethnic inhabitants compelled to accept Islam and the Arabic tongue, or be put to the sword. The Jews, on the other hand, are in fact the sole survivors of the ancient inhabitants of “Palestine”, who have maintained an uninterrupted link with the land since the dawn of recorded history.

It is one of the failures of our media today that, while an almost complete acceptance is granted to an absurd, fabricated lie, no attention at all is paid to the fascinating story of the Jewish families and communities who have resided in the Holy Land without interruption since Biblical times. These people have, throughout hundreds and thousands of years, kept their national claim to God's given ownership of their homeland.

http://christianactionforisrael.org/never_arab.html

seems a biased source - have fun


ur right...so if jews were the first to live there ..the real owners....so for the sake of coming back to there lands and make themselves a country...they wipe out all the people that live there...drive them out by force....give them no rights ....kill what's left of them

thats bcoz they're the real owner....they lived there first

u can't just ignore that nation that was living before in the present isreal..drive them away...massacre them... and expect what's them to keep their mouth shut and just die...

be real

Posted 12/13/08

sammora wrote:

u can't just ignore that nation that was living before in the present isreal..drive them away...massacre them... and expect what's them to keep their mouth shut and just die...

be real



what nation?

try reading before you type.

KTHXBYE1111!!!1

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